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Collaborative Features in Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)?
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illegalprelude said:
Hey have you ever used Final Draft? This feature is build right into FD6. It's called Collabowriter, and it allows for live editing of your script over the net. there's a chat window as well. it's a very powerful feature and actually manages to put you in the same room wile working.
Again, just another example of Apple finding great ideas all over the place and standardizing them into all their apps.
Collaborative iCal sounds like a nice simple way of synchronizing a single calendar amongst busy family members. One at work, one at home, ...
To say Apple is stealing ideas.Or for that matter.Microsoft,Real or even Netscape ( the original ) is akin to saying iChat,AOLIM,Yahoo Messenger,MSN Messenger are all rip-offs of one individual idea.They may be, but "Ideas" can be thought up by a lot of different people at the same time.Doesn't make them rip-offs..People generally think alike..Coming up with collaberative tools may not be something new.But it is something useful and something most people have thought of.
I "thought" of that sort of tool in 1987.Should I get the money? No..
As for the rest..I too am looking forward to the new finder..
I "thought" of that sort of tool in 1987.Should I get the money? No..
As for the rest..I too am looking forward to the new finder..
That collaborative abiword demo is an example of technology and applications available across platform. Apple solutions are usually simple and elegant forms of doing what someone somewhere is already doing.Evangelion said:
So perhaps Apple cant offer anything brandspanking new and ultra original as a feature in Leopard, but can you imagine for one moment that Apple would produce anything as clumsy as that abiword demo with the terminal as a starting point?
I was only very dimly aware of subethaedit, so thanks to forum members for the steer on that one. It does look nice... and it's Mac only. Some of the folk I want to collaborate with do insist on using PCs... and I have to use one at work.
A very BASIC, but nice tool, that's completely web-based and hence platform independent is Writeboard from 37 signals. I've used that a bit with PC and Mac based colleagues for hammering out ideas. Because it's pretty basic, it won't be suitable for some. But for hammering out ideas, putting together pitches and proposals, it can be just the job. Oh, and it's free.
A very BASIC, but nice tool, that's completely web-based and hence platform independent is Writeboard from 37 signals. I've used that a bit with PC and Mac based colleagues for hammering out ideas. Because it's pretty basic, it won't be suitable for some. But for hammering out ideas, putting together pitches and proposals, it can be just the job. Oh, and it's free.
i also remember a while back MacOSRumors claimed that Apple would drop the 20 and 23" displays and make 30" the baseline, with a 42" topping the line out 
Well the 30" did come, but its still at the top...
Moral: take MacOSRumors with a grain (or an ocean) of salt.
Well the 30" did come, but its still at the top...
Moral: take MacOSRumors with a grain (or an ocean) of salt.
IF (big if) this happens it would be cool if apple really did provide a decent framework as well, just imagine the things that could be done... and the pro apps! hehe Editing a video in FCP awhile someone else is also editing another part of the entire video! Would also be cool if apple could make some sort of advanced features available on their servers, given even more incentive to go XServe!
Apple's tried this before.. doesnt anyone remember Publish & Subscribe from System 7? it was nice, but nobody figured out what to use it for.
AlmostThere said:
Huh? It's nothing like Outlook.
If you'd used SubEthaEdit you'd know that. Or just watch the AbiWord wordprocessor demo posted earlier - it's like that but without the horrible network dialogs as it uses Apple's Bonjour tech to find people. It's not just sharing a calendar on an Exchange server, it's realtime editing of documents and data across a network with no server involved.
If you just want to share calendars you can do that already in iCal by publishing your calendar to a network DAV share and subscribing to your workmate's calendars.
notjustjay said:
right... Now I won't "absolutely" need a third party device (like Palm) to keep my three macs' iCal sync'd...
Stealing?
Actually, I saw an Apple demo on campus when I was a grad student, oh must of been at about 10-15 years ago, where the Apple rep giving the demo opened a document and then via conference call and Apple ARA, I believe, and another Apple Rep in another city opened the same file and they editted it together. Don't remember much, but each rep had a different color when highlighting and typing. I just remember how useful it would be and always wanted to try it out. So Apple, at least, has had the idea for some time now and I think the technology has been around long enough in enough different formats that you can't really say it is stealling.
dernhelm said:
Actually, I saw an Apple demo on campus when I was a grad student, oh must of been at about 10-15 years ago, where the Apple rep giving the demo opened a document and then via conference call and Apple ARA, I believe, and another Apple Rep in another city opened the same file and they editted it together. Don't remember much, but each rep had a different color when highlighting and typing. I just remember how useful it would be and always wanted to try it out. So Apple, at least, has had the idea for some time now and I think the technology has been around long enough in enough different formats that you can't really say it is stealling.
Cocoa? Feh!
But the real question is whether it's at the OS level or some feature that you have to write in friggin' Cocoa to support.
But the real question is whether it's at the OS level or some feature that you have to write in friggin' Cocoa to support.
AlmostThere said:
Huh? How can you use Outlook to have two people simultaneously edit a document?
How is anything outlook does related to real-time collaboration. It is a calendar, and repository - that's pretty much it.
rwmoore said:
I agree the idea wasn't new. But that won't stop the whining. Or don't you remember when Dashboard came out and every other thread was hijacked to cry outrage at the treatment of Konfabulator? Widgets were around before Konfabulator then as well, but that didn't stop the outrage from permeating every other thread.
I like Code Monkeys and the work they do. I've purchased SubEthaEdit, and I will continue to support them in the future. But I still also support OS level support for this type of feature - the possibilities it opens up are almost endless. And it will give Apple developers a big leg up on things.
Now if we could only get Apple to knock the dust of some of the Cocoa frameworks and give them all a thorough updating.
nemostultae said:
No, that was more like OLE on Windows. You linked in objects inside other documents that were updated by themselves. It didn't actually allow multiple users editing the same document. It was also a pig to work with because if you moved it off the network all the links broke.
dernhelm said:
Same here. If it means they have an OS level framework to use instead of having to roll their own, I'd imagine they'd be quite pleased with that. They can then concentrate on making the rest of the editor even better.
For Cocoa frameworks, I'll have a revised DB Kit / EOF in the OS thanks with a nice iWorks level DB builder for normal people.