College Football: BCS results are in

[Inspector Lee]

I don't see how the lack of a conference championship games hurts the Pac-10 and Big Ten. They decide their conference title through regular season games instead of a final game, those rules apply to all of their teams, and everyone knows what games they have to win as the season goes on. If anything, it means that a one-loss conference champ will be LESS likely to cause problems for the BCS.

I agree. A conference championship can represent an additional roadblock. If the Pac-10 was split into 2 divisions (north and south) and had a championship game, USC would have had to beat Cal again to play for the national title.

I know the Big ten evenly divvies all bowl game purses amongst all schools and based on the Pac-10 commissioner's harangue, I can only assume they do the same. So this could really all boil down to $$$. I'm not saying something dirty is going on, but sometimes the upswing can be, how you say, tantalizing?

Here is a list of bowl game payouts. In essence, Cal and the Pac-10 lose $11.5 million by not playing in the BCS or about $1 million per school.

All the more reason to go to a playoff system. Dammit, I want to fill out brackets in December.

 

[jxyama]

I agree. A conference championship can represent an additional roadblock. If the Pac-10 was split into 2 divisions (north and south) and had a championship game, USC would have had to beat Cal again to play for the national title.

I know the Big ten evenly divvies all bowl game purses amongst all schools and based on the Pac-10 commissioner's harangue, I can only assume they do the same. So this could really all boil down to $$$. I'm not saying something dirty is going on, but sometimes the upswing can be, how you say, tantalizing?

oh, come on, do some history homework before you post, eh!? pac ten and big ten are keeping it the traditional style. it's sec and big 12 that added those stupid conference championship games so they can have one more game to make even more money! if any conference is to be accused of being greedy, it's sec and big 12, not pac ten and big ten.

and those championship games have created nothing but problems for those conferences. last year, undefeated oklahoma lost the conference championship and created the whole mess because they lost so late but still was deemed better than usc. a few years ago, nebraska didn't win the conference championship (in fact, lost badly to colorado) but still made it to the national championship. same debate all over.

this year, both sec and big 12 championship games went as expected. but what if both auburn and oklahoma had lost? then we would have ended up with 4 one-loss teams from major conferences (texas, oklahoma, auburn and cal), none of which "won" the conference! it would have been an even more of a mess than it is now, trying to pick one school out of those four to play in the national championship.

 

[wordmunger]

One other thing. If Auburn loses its bowl game (which it very well might, given the struggles it had against mediocre Tennessee), then all this discussion is moot. We'll have an undisputed champ. That said, I'd still like to see a playoff with at least 8 teams and preferably 16. Most of these games are played on Christmas break anyway, so all the hype about kids missing class is a bunch of malarky.

 

[Lyle]

Well, since this is my senior year at Auburn, I think it sucks! If a team goes undefeated with a schedule as difficult as ours was, they deserve a shot at the national championship. The only reason we're not in the national championship game is because we started out so low in the polls.

Speaking as a slightly older Auburn alumnus (class of '92), I'm just proud of how well Auburn did this season, especially in light of all the garbage that Coach Tuberville went through at the end of last season. Yes, it's disappointing that they didn't get a shot at the national championship, but it's still been a remarkable season.

 

[Inspector Lee]

oh, come on, do some history homework before you post, eh!? pac ten and big ten are keeping it the traditional style. it's sec and big 12 that added those stupid conference championship games so they can have one more game to make even more money! if any conference is to be accused of being greedy, it's sec and big 12, not pac ten and big ten.

I never said the Pac-10 or Big Ten was greedy. In fact, my link to the bowl payouts insinuated that maybe greed (possible Big 12 in this instance) is why Texas was able to leap-frog Cal to get a $13.5 million payout in the BCS especially when you consider the fact that Texas doesn't get all $13.5 million - it is equally divided amongst all teams (even the cellar dwellars).

 

[jxyama]

I never said the Pac-10 or Big Ten was greedy. In fact, my link to the bowl payouts insinuated that maybe greed (possible Big 12 in this instance) is why Texas was able to leap-frog Cal to get a $13.5 million payout in the BCS especially when you consider the fact that Texas doesn't get all $13.5 million - it is equally divided amongst all teams (even the cellar dwellars).

i see what you are saying... but that's some serious tinfoil hat material there. i highly doubt it. it was mostly because cal didn't beat so. miss. soundly. too bad, if that game had been earlier in the year, when it was originally scheduled, it probably wouldn't have made any difference.

 

[aloofman]

sorry to nitpick, but the award is for the most valuable player in MLB. it's not for the best player.

and similarly, heisman is for the best college football player. it's not for the best college football player with the best pro prospect. what players do after they are done in college shouldn't be the reason to dispute the choice of the award.

And you missed my point. The Heisman is supposed to be for the best player in college football, but it's often awarded to the quarterback of a top-ranked team instead. Sometimes it happens to be the same person, but not always. The contender status of his team often means more than he's the best player in the country. Baseball's MVPs are indeed the most valuable players, but don't claim to a "player of the year" award. Unlike the Heisman, which claims it, but is more like an MVP award.

 

[stevietheb]

Texas Texas Yeehaw!

Gotta love my burnt orange.

 

[leftbanke7]

Personly I do not think that UNT (Sun belt champion) even would belong in a play off like that. I am sorry but the sun belt just can not stand up to a lot of schools from the Big 12. UT creamed them when they played them this year. It pretty safe to assume that all the way down to 5th place in the Big 12 would of creamed them.

There is a reason that UNT is the only school from the Sun belt to even get a bowl game this year. A lot of the weaker devision really are pretty weak and would be really out of place comparied to the stronger ones. Now if schools like UNT would play more from the big 12 you would get a better idea. There is a reaon that the big 12 or the big 10 have so many bowl games. The schools them self foot ball programs are planly just stronger

While I would agree that UNT would not last much further than the first 6 minutes of the first quarter, they did win their conference and in the interest of being fair, they should be able to go to the playoffs in this scenario. You can't really fault a team that plays in a lesser conference solely because the bigger conferences don't want them. UNT went 7-0 in the Sun Belt this year. It's not often (expept for maybe this year with the uncommonly high amount of undefeated teams) that a team will go undefeated in their conference.

And this year there are two Sun Belt teams going to bowls. UNT at the New Orleans Bowl and Troy at the Silicon Valley Classic Bowl.

And a final thought: Is it fair that a team like UNT goes undefeated in their conference and might get a measly 1 million dollars in their bowl that will be shared with the rest of the league while teams like Baylor, Temple, Duke and Rutgers that haven't done squat in their respective conferences for years and years (Temple finally getting kicked out by the Big East) get to share in those BCS multi-millions that the other teams in their conference earn?

 

[jackieonasses]

Well, since this is my senior year at Auburn, I think it sucks! If a team goes undefeated with a schedule as difficult as ours was, they deserve a shot at the national championship. The only reason we're not in the national championship game is because we started out so low in the polls.

Honestly it might suck. But USC and Oklahoma are CLEARLY better. I understand a play-off should be in order, but who would you replace to take a shot at the championship? Oklahoma?

 

[Timelessblur]

While I would agree that UNT would not last much further than the first 6 minutes of the first quarter, they did win their conference and in the interest of being fair, they should be able to go to the playoffs in this scenario. You can't really fault a team that plays in a lesser conference solely because the bigger conferences don't want them. UNT went 7-0 in the Sun Belt this year. It's not often (expept for maybe this year with the uncommonly high amount of undefeated teams) that a team will go undefeated in their conference.

And this year there are two Sun Belt teams going to bowls. UNT at the New Orleans Bowl and Troy at the Silicon Valley Classic Bowl.

And a final thought: Is it fair that a team like UNT goes undefeated in their conference and might get a measly 1 million dollars in their bowl that will be shared with the rest of the league while teams like Baylor, Temple, Duke and Rutgers that haven't done squat in their respective conferences for years and years (Temple finally getting kicked out by the Big East) get to share in those BCS multi-millions that the other teams in their conference earn?

Yeah but really the weaker confreces school dont belong messing around with the bigger and better schools. It would raise cries unfairness (rightfully so) if that happen because lets face it a school like UNT does not deserive messing around with a lot of big 12. It may be able to stand up to a school like Baylor from it but that would be a close game.

Btw the money of made of a bowl game in the big 12 is spilt 13 ways. each school get 1/13 of the money and the school that played gets 2/13. But it does say something when the big 12 have something like 7 bowl spots and the pac 10 have a lot of them as well. Mind you for the play off system it would almsot be like the confreces like the big 12 deserve oh 5+ spots while lets say the sun belt gets 1 because that is about the only way that it would be a fair repectation

Like you said it for a school like UNT it would be blow out and over in the 1st quater and all that does is make the school a laughing stock and they dont get any respect heck they would loose all they had gained.

Lastly it might be intersting to know that UNT, Texas Tech, UT, A&M, Balyor all used to be part of of the sun belt confreces but if you had noticed 4 of the school left it and move to a harder one. Mind you Balyor is only in the big 12 due to per politics. with 40% of the Texas congress men gradutating from balyor they want it in. Tech UT and A&M where told that if Baylor was not let in and if it ever left they all would loose a lot of funding. It becomes a lot harder to keep a school out that does not really belong with there is 1/3 of the big 12 are all saying keep it in.

 

[leftbanke7]

Yeah but really the weaker confreces school dont belong messing around with the bigger and better schools. It would raise cries unfairness (rightfully so) if that happen because lets face it a school like UNT does not deserive messing around with a lot of big 12. It may be able to stand up to a school like Baylor from it but that would be a close game.

Btw the money of made of a bowl game in the big 12 is spilt 13 ways. each school get 1/13 of the money and the school that played gets 2/13. But it does say something when the big 12 have something like 7 bowl spots and the pac 10 have a lot of them as well. Mind you for the play off system it would almsot be like the confreces like the big 12 deserve oh 5+ spots while lets say the sun belt gets 1 because that is about the only way that it would be a fair repectation

Like you said it for a school like UNT it would be blow out and over in the 1st quater and all that does is make the school a laughing stock and they dont get any respect heck they would loose all they had gained.

Lastly it might be intersting to know that UNT, Texas Tech, UT, A&M, Balyor all used to be part of of the sun belt confreces but if you had noticed 4 of the school left it and move to a harder one. Mind you Balyor is only in the big 12 due to per politics. with 40% of the Texas congress men gradutating from balyor they want it in. Tech UT and A&M where told that if Baylor was not let in and if it ever left they all would loose a lot of funding. It becomes a lot harder to keep a school out that does not really belong with there is 1/3 of the big 12 are all saying keep it in.

Granted, the smaller schools would probably not fair well in a game with the big boys but that doesn't mean they don't belong in the playoffs assuming there was one. Unfortunately, college sports has turned into a money grubbing whore and any sense of decency and fairness has been lost in the luster of the all mighty dollar. And it is wholely possible that these smaller teams could beat these bigger schools. Kansas State went into Troy and got beat down, last season there were numerous times where teams from the MAC conference beat good BCS conference schools. Utah beat both Cal and a 13th ranked Oregon last year.

 

[anubis]

Disgusted

Let me summarize my disgust with the BCS system, that gave Pittsburgh a BCS bowl and denied Cal:

Pittsburgh, ranked 19th, is 8-3. Their losses are against weakling Nebraska, Connecticut (they have a football team?), and Syracuse. Their wins of the season are against powerhouse teams Ohio, Furman, Temple, Rutgers, and South Florida. Note my sarcasm, as these teams are pretty weak. Their only decent wins come against Boston College, Notre dame, and West Virginia, and every single one of those games was only won by 3 points each.

Cal, on the other hand, is ranked 4th and went 10-1 on the season. Their only loss came against #1, undeated, defending national co-champion USC at USC, and only by 6 points. Cal annihilated Emerald-bowl-bound Oregon State, pummeled Air Force and UCLA, shut out the state of Arizona by a total of 65-0, and put the smack down against Stanford and New Orleans bowl bound Southern Miss.

How awesome would it have been to see Utah go up against Cal? But because of the bullcrap BcS system, Utah will go against Pittsburgh, and I predict a smattering. Utah will annihilate Pittsburgh, and the bowl will be the least entertaining game I'll ever have the displeasure of watching for 10 minutes, then switching the channel.

Yes, I am bitter at the BCS system. The BCS commissioners get the big bucks while shoving their foots up Cal's and Utah's asses.

I think the other bowls will be goodmatchups, and I can't wait to see USC and OU duke it out. However, the Fiesta Bowl is going to be a blowout. Shouldn't the #4 team in the nation be allowed to play in a BCS bowl?

 

[G4scott]

Let me summarize my disgust with the BCS system, that gave Pittsburgh a BCS bowl and denied Cal:

Cal, on the other hand, is ranked 4th and went 10-1 on the season. Their only loss came against #1, undeated, defending national co-champion USC at USC, and only by 6 points. Cal annihilated Emerald-bowl-bound Oregon State, pummeled Air Force and UCLA, shut out the state of Arizona by a total of 65-0, and put the smack down against Stanford and New Orleans bowl bound Southern Miss.

How awesome would it have been to see Utah go up against Cal? But because of the bullcrap BcS system, Utah will go against Pittsburgh, and I predict a smattering. Utah will annihilate Pittsburgh, and the bowl will be the least entertaining game I'll ever have the displeasure of watching for 10 minutes, then switching the channel.

Yes, I am bitter at the BCS system. The BCS commissioners get the big bucks while shoving their foots up Cal's and Utah's asses.

I think the other bowls will be goodmatchups, and I can't wait to see USC and OU duke it out. However, the Fiesta Bowl is going to be a blowout. Shouldn't the #4 team in the nation be allowed to play in a BCS bowl?

Hmm, did you see the way Cal was picked apart by Texas Tech? I've been in California for 4 days now, and I'm stick and tired of all the articles and things I've seen, saying that Texas doesn't belong in the Rose Bowl, and that Cal does... There was absolutely no respect. Now, after an amazing Rose Bowl game, I hope Texas gets the respect and recognition it deserves. Who would boycott Texas versus Michigan, as good of, if not a better matchup than USC versus OU?

This post isn't directed towards you, since you made no mention of Texas being in the BCS, but brought up the points about Utah and Pittsburgh.

Either way, I think we showed all of the nay-sayers who doubted and dissed Texas what we really are all about. Our fans came to Pasadena and spent money, the Rose Parade didn't see a drop of rain, and they saw an awesome football game between two previously unmatched powerhouses.

Let me just put it this way, if any PAC 10, or Cal fan complains about Texas going to the Rose Bowl, I will just point out the job done on Cal by Texas Tech, who was decimated by Texas. They can also remember the score of the 2005 Rose Bowl. Texas - 38, Michigan - 37

 

[stevietheb]

Either way, I think we showed all of the nay-sayers who doubted and dissed Texas what we really are all about...

Let me just put it this way, if any PAC 10, or Cal fan complains about Texas going to the Rose Bowl, I will just point out the job done on Cal by Texas Tech, who was decimated by Texas. They can also remember the score of the 2005 Rose Bowl. Texas - 38, Michigan - 37

Here here!

 

[Lancetx]

Yesterday's Rose Bowl was probably the best bowl game I've seen in the last decade, period. That game is an instant classic that will be talked about for years to come and Vince Young had a performance for the ages.

The BCS may be a mixed up mess, but it's quite obvious after watching the Rose Bowl yesterday and the Holiday Bowl on Thursday (which was an exciting game in it's own right) that they absolutely got it right with their selections without any doubt. The only team that can still lay claim to being shafted at this point is Auburn, but we'll see where things stand after Tuesday.

 

[rgx]

Yesterday's Rose Bowl was probably the best bowl game I've seen in the last decade, period. That game is an instant classic that will be talked about for years to come and Vince Young had a performance for the ages.

The BCS may be a mixed up mess, but it's quite obvious after watching the Rose Bowl yesterday and the Holiday Bowl on Thursday (which was an exciting game in it's own right) that they absolutely got it right with their selections without any doubt. The only team that can still lay claim to being shafted at this point is Auburn, but we'll see where things stand after Tuesday.

I totally agree. I was lucky enough to attend both the Holiday Bowl and the Rose Bowl. Yesterdays Rose Bowl has to be the best game I have ever been to. Vince Young did an excellent job and after that winning field goal the crowd went nuts. It was an awesome experience and something Texas totally deserves.

 

[G4scott]

I also forgot to congratulate Michigan for a truly awesome game. Your fans were awesome, and your band was a sight to see, and meet. It was a whole new experience compared to playing teams in the Big 12, as far as the amount of respect both teams had.

 

[mikeyredk]

WOW anyone still up watching the orange bowl?

Edit: Alright kelly finally nails a field goal

 

[iSaint]

WOW anyone still up watching the orange bowl?

Edit: Alright kelly finally nails a field goal

Yeah, great game! Great to see the two coaches together after!

EDIT: talk about thread resurrection! I was so confused reading this until it registered that they are talking about last year's bowl season!