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:confused: Unless the girl is planning on getting her MD and specializing in neurosurgery, a new MacBook will be fine all the way through college. The way you talk, you'd think the laptop will spontaneously combust after three years... the technology in the MacBook after the next revision will not be appreciatively different from the technology in the current one. Yes, it might get a minor speed bump, but for the vast majority of college work, it won't be noticed.

Word processing, internet, email, and MSN are the biggest tasks a college student uses their laptop for. The Compaq laptop I had in 1998 would handle those tasks... I don't know where you get the idea a laptop will suddenly be unable to handle those tasks in a few years' time...

I agree. I am a graduate student using the same 12" PowerBook G4 (867 mHz) that I got for college in 2003. Does everything I need it to for school.
 
Wow,

I wish I could get free stuff like that!

I would wait till they offer a free iPod for collage students.
(But I don't understand why you would send a poor dear out to dreadful collage anyway) :eek:
 
Personally I would not want to be using an iBook 1.33 today. Why because programs like Photoshop...even Photoshop elements, will have a hard time with it. Heck 10.5 can barely run on an iBook 1.33 so please don't tell me that laptops don't get a little crusty after 3-4 years because they do. That is why I have to upgrade every 2.5-3.

And that would be totally relevant if the buyer was using Photoshop. But for the majority of the population who do not use Photoshop on a regular basis (if ever), it's completely irrelevent.

The fact of the matter is, most college students use their computer for word processing, internet, and email. That's obviously not true for those in computer science or multimedia production, but they're the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.

Similarly, most users will not upgrade their OS until they buy a new system. I'm still running Tiger, and I'm hardly your average user, so the compatibility of future OS upgrades on current hardware doesn't really matter for most buyers.

My housemate used an ancient Dell desktop for her first two years, and managed just fine. It wasn't the fasted machine around, but it did the job. The latest and greatest is simply not needed for most of the college population...

Not to mention, waiting six months will produce only a very minor update in power. It's not like there's a major revision around the corner, they just updated these machines.

It's not just the speed of the hardware. Notebooks are subject to general wear and tear, especially when they're being carried around so much as a college student would from class to class. There's a big difference between leaving it on a desk and lugging it across campus every day. If bought now, the warranty would hardly get her half way through college. What happens if something goes wrong then? It's not cheap to get fixed and losing your computer in college could easily lose you a lot of productivity and time.

I know lots of students who take theirs to every class... and an even greater number who don't. Mine rarely leaves my desk... It's still a fair point, though. That needs to be balanced with how much use she will get out of the system in the meantime, which is a decision only the buyer can make. :)

Warranty is another issue, though. First off, even an extended warranty will not get her all the way through school. And even it it did, warranty does not mean she everything will be hunky dory if the computer fails. Warranty just means she doesn't pay for repairs, not that she gets a new computer on the spot. Warranty or no, a failure is going to negatively impact productivity. Fortunately all schools have public computers, and most should have a computer loaner program for when yours dies (mine does, though to be fair they often run out of loaners!).

Again, good points, but not ones that immediately make buying later the default choice. It's simply a matter of balancing those concerns with what kind of extra productivity you'll get by buying now. If the OP already had three computers in the house I'd say buy later, but given that buying now will actually be a benefit to the family, they have to decide whether that benefit outweighs the concerns raised in this thread. Which only they can do. :)

To the OP: I would wait a little longer and pick up a refurb aluminum MacBook when they appear in the store. Since she doesn't strictly need it now, you can save some major coin and she still gets to make use of the system for most of grade 12.
 
I get the feeling that some of you think that if I buy the MacBook now, it will sit in its box till next Fall. My daughter takes four AP courses. She has no computer of her own and hence must spend considerable time on my wife's computer. When our daughter is on it, my wife can't be. How much would you pay to avoid sharing a computer for 9 months?

Buy one Mac laptop now, then another in the Fall? Sorry.

Given that information, I would go buy the laptop now. Tell her she NEEDS her own laptop to not interfere with her mother's computer time. In addition, tell her if she wants to upgrade later she can EARN the money herself and deal with it then. I think you are being very fair. I was NOT fortunate enough to have parents buy me ANYTHING. I think you are being a wonderful father and she just wants to take advantage of time and use Mom's computer so she can get the coolest laptop the first day of school. Nobody will know the difference. It will LOOK exactly the same. It will work exactly the same for her.

I hope my kids are HAPPY when I tell them, "I have enough money to buy you a new MacBook NOW."

Funny thing is I have a three and four year old. I bought my new MB thinking in three years or so it will be my kids first MACBOOK. Until then they play with the old Dell desktop with a 19 CRT monitor. In 14 years, it will probably cost $5k for a MB for college.

Good luck with your daughter and her new MacBook.
 
And that would be totally relevant if the buyer was using Photoshop. But for the majority of the population who do not use Photoshop on a regular basis (if ever), it's completely irrelevent.

The fact of the matter is, most college students use their computer for word processing, internet, and email. That's obviously not true for those in computer science or multimedia production, but they're the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.

Similarly, most users will not upgrade their OS until they buy a new system. I'm still running Tiger, and I'm hardly your average user, so the compatibility of future OS upgrades on current hardware doesn't really matter for most buyers.

My housemate used an ancient Dell desktop for her first two years, and managed just fine. It wasn't the fasted machine around, but it did the job. The latest and greatest is simply not needed for most of the college population...

Not to mention, waiting six months will produce only a very minor update in power. It's not like there's a major revision around the corner, they just updated these machines.

1) The Nehalem chip (Core i7) will be out next year which will add significant power to the MBs. It is a QUAD-core chip and will be a major revision.

2) You are all assuming the kid will only use word processing and Internet, etc. I am assuming she hasn't figured out her major yet and that this will be her "one shot" computer and neither parent nor child wants to be burdened having to put out more cash in future years to upgrade. I know I had better things to spend my money on.

3) Do you have any scientific statistical data to back up your claims of "most college students"? Anecdotal stories are nice, but not proof of anything other than your own personal experience. You certainly cannot claim the needs of "most college students" based on your own experience. A student's experience at MIT is far different than an English Lit major at BC whose experience is different than a biz major at UGA.
 
One poster called your daughter 'spoiled', and inferred she's somehow 'expecting' the gift, and will continue to.

I've no idea how he came to these conclusions; she's happy to accept the gift, but wants to wait as long as possible, to ensure she gets the latest model. That's just sensible, and if anything, will save more money being spent in three years, instead of four.

It's exactly what 99% of the posters on this forum do, for gawd sake.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I got my MBP in 2006 (1.83ghz cd), and am now in first year of college. I've got 3.5 years to go, with no new computer for at least 2 years, and more likely the entire 3.5 years. It'll be limping by the end. As has been said, she'd be crazy to buy now, unless she absolutely needs it. Only you can determine whether her usage of your wife's machine is excessive, and an alternative must be found.

Sensible girl.
 
1) The Nehalem chip (Core i7) will be out next year which will add significant power to the MBs. It is a QUAD-core chip and will be a major revision.

2) You are all assuming the kid will only use word processing and Internet, etc. I am assuming she hasn't figured out her major yet and that this will be her "one shot" computer and neither parent nor child wants to be burdened having to put out more cash in future years to upgrade. I know I had better things to spend my money on.

3) Do you have any scientific statistical data to back up your claims of "most college students"? Anecdotal stories are nice, but not proof of anything other than your own personal experience. You certainly cannot claim the needs of "most college students" based on your own experience. A student's experience at MIT is far different than an English Lit major at BC whose experience is different than a biz major at UGA.

ok ok from my experience college students use a computer for

1)internet
2) im
3)email
4)games like solitare
5)reports aka word processing
6) watching dvds and music

in other words.......nothing heavy duty! that requires 1000ghz and 100gigs or ram. THATS what labs are for lol

thats it. no really, THAT'S IT

sure she may do photography work and guess what you can on the mb easily. but keep this in mind, any major that REQUIRES specific software and computing resources WILL have designated labs to run that software

most software that a student must use (as in engineering) can not be used on your personal computer due to licensing issues. sure there may be exception (ProE comes to mind with a site license) but in all reality, why do that work on your pc when you have servers that are sooooo much more capable than even a personal macpro

but really, photoshop runs well on todays mb if she were even into photography. it runs well on my first gen mb....in fact i still cant find a big enough reason to upgrade from my first gen mb from 2006

But listen to me on my advice on what students use their computers for because its true. how do i know this? well considering i lived in the dorms for 2 years and was in college for 5 years, i think i can speak pretty well as to real world usage from my experience as well as my friends.

in fact, i believe you could EASILY get by without even having a computer and just utilizing your schools labs esp if you live on campus. i know my school has labs open 24/7 so always accesable. i do believe having your own computer is a convienence though but far from required to do well in school

so in my opinion, buy her a computer now and then when the time comes IF she needs to upgrade during her college years, have her get it. you make it sound as if she can benefit from it now with her hs classes as well as giving your wife time on her comp. i started college back in 03 with an emac, using it until 2006 when i opted for a mb SOLEY because i valued having a portable computer (as i then lived off campus). if i had started out with a laptop as opposed to an emac when i started, there is no doubt in my mind i wouldnt have needed another computer during my time in college

but thats my input so take it as you may but im sure that those in school or recently in it can attest to its accuracy
 
1) The Nehalem chip (Core i7) will be out next year which will add significant power to the MBs. It is a QUAD-core chip and will be a major revision.

And you know for certain it will be out in the summer? And that it will be in the MacBook? If Nehalem makes it into the MB, I'd wager it won't be until this time next year - after the iPod promo. I highly doubt Apple is going to release two major revisions in a six month period.

And even if it is out this summer, your average college student is not going to notice or need the difference. I'm getting by just fine with my CoreDuo MacBook, and as others have said, they're surviving Grad school just fine with iBooks.

That kind of processing power will not be necessary for the vast majority of university users. You don't need four cores to write an essay or to check your email.

2) You are all assuming the kid will only use word processing and Internet, etc. I am assuming she hasn't figured out her major yet and that this will be her "one shot" computer and neither parent nor child wants to be burdened having to put out more cash in future years to upgrade. I know I had better things to spend my money on.

Can you name one major that a MacBook will not be able to cope with and that requires students to have their own computers? Something like film, which I admit the MacBook would not be ideal for, will have an editing house. It will not require students to buy their own editing station and software. Applied Science? CAD will run on a MacBook, but once again, they're not going to make students buy it - more likely there's a lab on campus with the programs installed. My program requires the use of high-end professional statistical software, but we're certainly not made to buy it ourselves - we have computers on campus so equipped.

But let's say you're right, and that she hasn't decided yet. Waiting six months to buy a MacBook isn't going to make a shred of difference. If she winds up in a program where the MacBook doesn't cut it, then a slight revision next summer will not make any difference. If she's in a position where she needs to upgrade, she's going to be thinking "damn, I should have got the MacBook Pro", not "damn, I should have waited for that 0.1 Ghz speed bump".

Given that the father is looking at MBs and not MBPs, I think it's a safe assumption the daughter is not considering film or multimedia, either. If she were seriously considered going into those programs, I'll wager the family would be considering a MBP, and instead of this thread it would probably be another "new MBP vs. Refurb" thread...

3) Do you have any scientific statistical data to back up your claims of "most college students"? Anecdotal stories are nice, but not proof of anything other than your own personal experience. You certainly cannot claim the needs of "most college students" based on your own experience. A student's experience at MIT is far different than an English Lit major at BC whose experience is different than a biz major at UGA.

:rolleyes: I call this "reducto ad statisterum". No, I can't speak for every student in the world. But given that every student I know uses their computers for essays, research, internet, and email, and little else, it's a perfectly safe extrapolation to apply that to all students. The alternative is that my school is just some kind of weird anomaly, and in reality students at other schools are constantly editing High Def videos on their laptops.

Use common sense for one moment. Aside from some small, very specialized faculties, most students are writing essays and lab reports, crunching numbers in Excel, and giving Keynote presentations. I have never met a student who required a brand new, super-powerful computer for their school work. I do know one that have bought one as a choice, but in that case the school provided computers for her use, she simply elected to buy her own.

What real gains does she get by waiting? A slightly faster system that, statistically, she is unlikely to notice the difference with. Nothing more.
 
As the OP, I appreciate all your contributions. Let me clarify some points and respond to others.

dukebound85's list of likely activities is correct. My daughter will use her MacBook as she now uses our 1998 desktop: to social network, cruise the Web, watch YouTube, listen to iTunes, edit photos, and do homework using MS Office-type products. Perhaps some video, too, but not much. She's premed with a head on her shoulders, earning top grades and scoring 2260 on her SATs.

Many parents buy their college-bound kids a new laptop. I don't find anything generous about my proposal. I just want to get it over with let her enjoy it sooner. and yes, attain a ratio of 1 computer per user. I agree with the contributor who wrote that it won't self-destruct after exactly 4 years.

Apple warranties mean little to me because when you're that young, your gear is more likely to be dropped, lost, or stolen, or damaged by a spilled drink, than to fail in a way that an Apple warranty would cover.

At today's rates, locking $1650 in a certificate of deposit for 9 months would gain me maybe $50. That's peanuts compared to the opportunity loss of, say, getting an unusually good deal (e.g., someone local buys a loaded MacBook, loses his job, then must sell it on Craigslist at a loss).

Nehalem (spelling?) would let her vidoechat with a higher frame rate and/or larger window. But I doubt it will be in the MacBook before Fall.

Finally, I don't know how I gave someone the impression that I want to buy it now for me. I don't use a Mac; haven't since selling mine in 1998. It's just that I prefer to use nonrecurring income (like a refund) to make nonrecurring purchases (like a computer). To the writer who suggested that I'm going to do what I want anyway: Untrue. I won't buy the MacBook until my daughter gives me the green light.
 
I'm going through the same thing myself.

If all goes well, I'd need a MB/MBP for graduate school overseas in Fall '09, but I want it sooner so I can have Logic! I have the same issue as everyone else who does audio, I want the size of the MB and Firewire/expansion slots of the MBP.

I'm definitely waiting until after Macworld and will probably purchase in Jan/Feb. Do you think there'd be a significant revision between then and next summer?

I got an excellent deal on a quad-core PC this year which is why I didn't make the move sooner. I definitely keep an eye on the Macrumors community, but there's no way I can afford to purchase it once I move to the UK. And I'm getting impatient ;)
 
As has been said, she'd be crazy to buy now, unless she absolutely needs it. Only you can determine whether her usage of your wife's machine is excessive, and an alternative must be found.

Sensible girl.

The OP could always buy something her temporary like an Eee or used computer to get her through until it's Macbook time. It's horrible to have to share our priceless machines!!! :)

Dukebound85 - if you go to a smaller college it's almost impossible to survive without your own computer since there are never enough computer resources and they're never open when you need them and often far from where you live. At least for my class of '04!
 
the next updates will be nehalem and 64bit but that won't be a big deal because it will be awhile before applications are written to take advantage of the newer 64bit architecture. If apple came out with a 64bit os earlier like windows there would be compelling reasons to wait. Since your daughter has no pressing need for a new computer is to pointless to go out and spend money.
 
There's absolutely no reason not to buy now, but I might wait a while and see if the new ones come up in the refurb store by Christmas. Save a few bucks and get her a Christmas present to boot.
 
It's hard to tell you to do so. A) if you have "$1650" burning in your pocket that tells me that you don't usually have that much. Not to be Dr. Phil or anything...but SAVE it. We don't need you adding to the distress our economy's in by spending the $1650 now and not being able to pay your mortgage later (not accusing you...accusing America). B) although 9 months shouldn't change anything, I would be skeptical of the same thing. Ya' know...it's NEWER in 9 months....it's BETTER in 9 months...even if it's not. I'm in 11th Grade and have been begging for a Mac since I was 7 (no joke). I think my parent's might cave this Christmas since my mom's office just went to Macs...but it would be under the FULL assumption that they would get the old one and I would get another new one when I went off to college.
 
The only money I owe...is about $900 on my Apple credit card! OK, I'll listen to my daughter and pay off my Apple card. But the money won't be there in the summer. Some big medical, dental, or care repair expense will surely come along by then.

As for changing my title: First, How? Second, gimme a break. "Beat up on" differs from "Beat up". The former means assail with words; the latter, assail with fists. The title is an obvious play for humor.
I'm three pages late, but this is simple:
1) Listen to your daughter
2) Put the money in a 1-yr CD in your daughter's bank account
3) Your daughter buys new computer next year & you can't pay bills with it
:)

You may find a super deal on a used MacBook before then. But in the next nine months it's rather likely that the MacBooks will have a refresh, iLife 09 will be released and bundled, and perhaps 10.6 will come out. A MacBook bought this time next year will be a better deal than one bought now for use next year.
 
...earning top grades and scoring 2260 on her SATs.

Geez, when did I get old? I got a 1600 just a few years ago... which, in sheer numbers, looks like chump change next to that score.

Sorry. ADD.

I'd say let her wait it out. If you have to throw the money at bills, then do so. At some point, it sounds like you're going to be robbing Peter to pay Paul anyway. Finance the emergency, the bills, or the laptop; the bottom line is still the same.
 
i just turned 21 in july and graduated from college, i worked in apple retail for 2+ years... the latest macbooks are a HUGE leap forward from the previous model. don't expect anything better than an incremental speed bump for another year or so. the pro's will get the goodies next year. and besides, college students are mainly using the computers for documents, internet, music, movies. nothing serious for most folks. by the way, if she is familiar with PC's..... just tell her that macs have a longer lifetime... because they do. pcs are crap and die out after 6 months and become obsolete quicker because they are built so cheaply with sub-par components. the experience, as you know on the mac, is unbelievably superior, but only once you give the mac a chance. until then, pc users have no clue what they're in for. best of luck. get it now, brother.
 
i just turned 21 in july and graduated from college, i worked in apple retail for 2+ years... the latest macbooks are a HUGE leap forward from the previous model. don't expect anything better than an incremental speed bump for another year or so. the pro's will get the goodies next year. and besides, college students are mainly using the computers for documents, internet, music, movies. nothing serious for most folks. by the way, if she is familiar with PC's..... just tell her that macs have a longer lifetime... because they do. pcs are crap and die out after 6 months and become obsolete quicker because they are built so cheaply with sub-par components. the experience, as you know on the mac, is unbelievably superior, but only once you give the mac a chance. until then, pc users have no clue what they're in for. best of luck. get it now, brother.
I'm still using my Dell Latitude D500 today.

I lived off the computer labs as it is back in college.
 
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