Colloquy iOS 4 and 10 minute limit?

[KennethLavrsen]

Agree the 10 min timeout is nearly useless

I hang around the same IRC channel all day when I am home. The Foswiki channel I follow has traffic all day and night. But often with a 1-2 hour pause with no activity. My wish is to be able to follow this when I am not home.

I had hoped that the Coloquy with ios4 would enable this. The point is to be able to see what has been said the past hours even if I have the phone on screen lock or use the phone to check email or browse.

I accept this drains the phone faster. That is normally Ok and if not I will kill the app and not let it run

It is is better than before. I can now leave Coloquy and do something else. But most of the time my phone is in my pocket or beeing charged by my laptop and not always with Coloquy active.

What I need is Coloquy to keep connected and receive the little traffic on the channel so I can open the app later and scroll back to see what happened the past hour. The 10 min time out totally prevents this.

I hope the developer can find a workaround to keep the app running in the background.

 

[MikhailT]

Apple designed the iPhone and the iOS for the mass market, not for some power users, they are not going to modify the OS just to satisfy some people, they have never done that in general (unless i'm forgetting some part of Apple history but they never aimed for the power users).

The iOS 10 min limitation is designed to improve the battery life, nothing you can say will change this fact. Until the battery itself and the radios get better, this limitation will stay for a while. Giving the user a choice isn't going to happen, Apple don't like to give users any choice at all. They prefer the same method for everybody. Remember this is primarily a phone, it has to be able to stay on for the whole day, so battery life is key.

If you don't like it, go get another phone. Stop whining. It has nothing to do with being in denial, it's being realistic.

Why don't you guys leave the IRC channel open on your Mac, have its transcript stored in a dropbox folder and you can look it up via Dropbox on the iPhone or something like that.

 

[BobHail]

I hope Beejive gets this update soon. The ability to check email or look something up in Safari without reconnecting each time is just what I've been hoping they could do with this API. 10 minutes will be plenty for me.

I´m sure it´s coming (soon I hope) and for Beejive this will be a great thing (if they get it working without any bugs, I hope), but for IRC this is pretty much useless and a slap in the face.

 

[BobHail]

I hang around the same IRC channel all day when I am home. The Foswiki channel I follow has traffic all day and night. But often with a 1-2 hour pause with no activity. My wish is to be able to follow this when I am not home.

I had hoped that the Coloquy with ios4 would enable this. The point is to be able to see what has been said the past hours even if I have the phone on screen lock or use the phone to check email or browse.

I accept this drains the phone faster. That is normally Ok and if not I will kill the app and not let it run

It is is better than before. I can now leave Coloquy and do something else. But most of the time my phone is in my pocket or beeing charged by my laptop and not always with Coloquy active.

What I need is Coloquy to keep connected and receive the little traffic on the channel so I can open the app later and scroll back to see what happened the past hour. The 10 min time out totally prevents this.

I hope the developer can find a workaround to keep the app running in the background.

Exactly this. Finally someone who understands the problem.

 

[Luke Redpath]

Exactly this. Finally someone who understands the problem.

You must realise that the need to be permanently connected in order to keep track of conversation is an inherent flaw in IRC? If that flaw didn't exist this would be a non issue.

You claim people don't understand the problem. It seems to me you just don't understand apples design philosophy AT ALL.

 

[BobHail]

You must realise that the need to be permanently connected in order to keep track of conversation...

Of course I realise, I´ve been saying this all along! But WE CAN`T stay connected permanently, because of Apple´s patronizing. You apparently haven´t read any of my posts or just cannot understand what you read.

...is an inherent flaw in IRC? If that flaw didn't exist this would be a non issue.

No it´s not a flaw. Your thinking (or "not thinking") is flawed. IRC is a REAL-TIME chat for group conversation.

You claim people don't understand the problem. It seems to me you just don't understand apples design philosophy AT ALL.

Actually I do. I´m guessing you do too, but our difference is that you LIKE to be patronized and "protected from yourself".

Apple philosophy is this: "I´m the daddy, you are a little child and you don´t know what you are doing. So we are going to restrict you and put you in a little sandbox were it´s nice and safe, so you don´t accidentally drain your battery".

 

[KennethLavrsen]

As long as the right people understand the need

Strange discussions that are brought up here.

Apple design philosophies vs Apples evil empire. It does not produce anything positive.

IRC is a good old way to communicate and heavility used in open source software development. It makes no sense to talk down IRC.

And it makes no sense shooting at Apple either. They try to create an environment that makes the battery last as long as possible. But I can play music or watch videos for hours that that drains the battery even more than an IRC client, so it is not that Apple will not let us drain our batteries.

This is an input to both Apple and to the Colloguy that there is a need among some iPhone/Colloguy users to remain connected in the background longer than 10 minutes at a time. A 4 to 6 hour timeout would be acceptable in case you simply forgot to turn off the app. I will normally check the IRC app 2-3 times during a day at the office.

I hope Apple get this so they can extend the API with an IRC friendly feature in a future OS update. I know they have people monitoring the forums. And I hope the Colloguy programmers find a work around to (ab)use some of the other new multitask features to make the program stay alive. Or maybe implement a ping mechanism that keeps the program active. This is a feature I would pay money for. I just checked out Rooms and it has the same problem.

If an IRC client comes out that can stay connected in the background I will buy it. Even if it is a little pricey.

But please, no more flame wars about evil Apple and bad IRC. Trolling destroys the mood in forums.

 

[DoFoT9]

how silly. 10 min time out? frustrating.

time for everybody to get Colloquy Bouncers!

btw, there is a MacRumors IRC channel - in my sig. come join us if you need help/wanna talk

 

[zorinlynx]

If you lock the phone with Colloquy in the foreground (IE, don't hit the home button before locking), it will stay connected as long as you like.

I dislike the ten minute limitation too. There really should be a way for an app to override it (with a suitable warning that it will compromise battery life of course). But Apple isn't keen on listening to power users, so I doubt it will ever happen.

As we move forward and phones get more powerful with more memory, hopefully they will ease some of these restrictions. But for now we have to deal with it, or move to another platform.

You might enjoy Android if background tasks are a priority for you.

 

[DoFoT9]

If you lock the phone with Colloquy in the foreground (IE, don't hit the home button before locking), it will stay connected as long as you like.

I dislike the ten minute limitation too. There really should be a way for an app to override it (with a suitable warning that it will compromise battery life of course). But Apple isn't keen on listening to power users, so I doubt it will ever happen.

As we move forward and phones get more powerful with more memory, hopefully they will ease some of these restrictions. But for now we have to deal with it, or move to another platform.

You might enjoy Android if background tasks are a priority for you.

It certainly does annoy me, to the extent that I had to create my own push server at work just so I could get XMPP notifications as it disconnects, where as all my Android users don't have this issue. Battery is obviously what the main concern is here, just look at how quickly Skype chews battery! (It doesn't disconnect I think)...