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Color accuracy/saturation way off on new 13" MBP
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So whats the verdict when running Windows bootcamped? That outta help nail down if its a software or hardware issue.
I tried to set it up but after installing windows I couldn't install my drivers via the installation driver disc. It wouldn't recognize the disc when I put it in. The three times I've installed XP via bootcamp in the past they've worked so I don't know what happened today.
On the Apple forum I saw someone complaining about it on the 15" but apparently there is a solution for it. I'm going to try to grab that link for you.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1968492&tstart=0
It's for the 17" actually. Thought it was the 15".
Tried that too. Didn't work. I wonder if there is going to be a real solution to the problem.
The only way it has to do with higher gamut is maybe the fact that this screen is the largest gamut screen you've ever seen and are finally seeing some of the colors as they were intended.
The issues other websites discuss regarding "high gamut" monitors has nothing to do with these laptops. The gamut on these laptops is equivalent to what is considered "normal gamut" on desktop screens. The "high gamut" desktop LCDs have gamuts far larger than those found on this laptop, and can actually have problems viewing non-color managed content.
If you don't know much about color management/gamuts/professional color working, stop speculating and do a little research before you post.
Ruahrc
The issues other websites discuss regarding "high gamut" monitors has nothing to do with these laptops. The gamut on these laptops is equivalent to what is considered "normal gamut" on desktop screens. The "high gamut" desktop LCDs have gamuts far larger than those found on this laptop, and can actually have problems viewing non-color managed content.
If you don't know much about color management/gamuts/professional color working, stop speculating and do a little research before you post.
Ruahrc
I feel as if you're wrong. In System Preferences > Appearance > Appearance the option is "blue", not "purple"
Every other computer in the world displays images and colors the same way, so I don't understand how you expect me to hands down say that these colors are supposed to be displayed this way and everyone else's computers are displaying it incorrectly.
Here are a few pictures I've taken of blue/green objects. I can physically see these things in real life so when I see a big difference in color I can safely say that my display is not outputting the correct color.
Now when you took those pictures you did make sure to set the correct white balance on the camera, yes? Because an incorrect white balance in the image will cause the colors of things to look off. And viewing colored items in different lighting situations will cause them to look differently. To really do it properly you'd need to shoot a reference image with a white or grey card, but using the whites of some of the items in the images can work too. Also, you kept those images within a color-managed workflow from capture to processing to output right? I see that your pictures are tagged with the sRGB profile, so it is likely that you did do so because the camera likely applied the sRGB color space to the image and it was preserved in any processing you may have done. And fortunately Safari is color-aware so tagged images will display correctly.
On my 22" Calibrated IPS LCD panel the blue portions of the protein jar do seem have a little bit of purple in them. Same with the brite smile to go thing. Possibly a slight tinge of purple there too. So if you see a little bit if purple there too then I'd say your display and mine match. And I trust my display as being pretty accurate.
I don't doubt that your screen looks different than what you expect, but what I am saying is that it's more than likely the calibration and not a defective panel. And unless I understand wrong, you think it's a defective LCD screen. My point is that maintaining absolute color fidelity is not a trivial thing, and for you to make claims about the defectiveness of displays based on a screen you don't even have calibrated with a colorimeter is not valid. If you think things look wrong, adjust your calibration profile to fix it. Anyways, didn't you say you were exchanging your laptop at the apple store anyways?
Visit the following website:
www.nikonians.org
Do you see blue or purple?
Ruahrc
On my 22" Calibrated IPS LCD panel the blue portions of the protein jar do seem have a little bit of purple in them. Same with the brite smile to go thing. Possibly a slight tinge of purple there too. So if you see a little bit if purple there too then I'd say your display and mine match. And I trust my display as being pretty accurate.
I don't doubt that your screen looks different than what you expect, but what I am saying is that it's more than likely the calibration and not a defective panel. And unless I understand wrong, you think it's a defective LCD screen. My point is that maintaining absolute color fidelity is not a trivial thing, and for you to make claims about the defectiveness of displays based on a screen you don't even have calibrated with a colorimeter is not valid. If you think things look wrong, adjust your calibration profile to fix it. Anyways, didn't you say you were exchanging your laptop at the apple store anyways?
Visit the following website:
www.nikonians.org
Do you see blue or purple?
Ruahrc
9C9E screen here.
I see purple on the site. But my other two notebooks and external display see purple as well. In an earlier thread I stated that on Tuesday I'm bringing my notebook to an Apple Store to get it calibrated because I can't do it myself. I do not want a new notebook simply because of all of the troubles I would have to go through reactivating my software and such. Let alone transferring a bunch of data. Although I will be very dissatisfied if they can't fix it through calibrating the monitor I don't see myself returning it.
The two objects you pointed out are purple in reality, but what I notice being more purple than it should be is the blueish bar on the red deodorant. I wish I could describe this better but I feel as if that blueish bar on the deodorant perfectly represents the problem with blue links being purple. It looks like the same exact shade to me.
I'm not well versed in photography so you lost me with what you wrote in the first part of your post but if I correctly understand what you're aiming at, yes, I may have not taken the most color-accurate photos.
I mean, there's really nothing further I can do besides mope around until I bring my notebook in on Tuesday.
It's supposed to be a little bit purple. On my calibrated Powerbook G4 the site looked blue. I had always thought it was blue, and never even questioned what it was supposed to look like. Then I got my external LCD and saw that it was actually purple. I realized that other things looked more vivid, more satured, ultimately more accurate. The pictures on my wall which I had edited using the PBG4 screen matched better with my external LCD when viewed on the screen. With the new display I could tell that things were looking like they were supposed to (keep in mind though, I knew when I bought the display I would finally be able to do this, it was just a neat thing to see happen in person). This is why I pointed out that maybe it was just your perception and a display with a better gamut rather than a defective calibration or display.
I have never heard of an Apple store being able to calibrate someone's display for them, I don't think they have the capability unless they have a colorimeter lying around in the back that they use for things like this. So honestly I wouldn't expect much from going to the Apple store. I think the most productive thing you'd get out of it would be able to put it next to the models they have on display (and also compare it to other displays in the store such as the iMacs, Cinema display, etc) and see if yours differs significantly. Make sure to compare it to other displays too like the 15 and 17" MBPs, and the cinema display.
The whole bit about the photography is that you seem to be pretty vocal that this is Apple's problem and that they screwed up, when in reality you admit to not even having a good grasp on color fidelity and photography. So if you admit to knowing nothing about color (color in the digital sense and maintaining color accuracy in a color-managed workflow, not what color red is in real life), why do you think it's Apple's problem/fault? You also state that you need color accuracy (what for), but if you ask anyone who knows anything about color the first thing they'll tell you is that if you really need color accuracy, the #1 first thing you NEED to do is to buy a hardware calibrator and calibrate your screen. And if you really need that accuracy, you'd either know enough about color to already have one, or realize now that you need to go out and buy one.
It's things like this that make macrumors such a crapshoot. People who don't really know what they're talking about or doing notice something they don't expect, and rather than doing some research they make some post about it complaining instead. Other people who don't know what they're talking about join in and start throwing around wild theories, fly off the handle, start blaming Apple, etc. Yet other people who also don't know what they're talking about reads some anectodal comments by others and assume them to be the truth, and go on spreading FUD around the forums and elsewhere. And then we end up with 36 page topics where in the end the OP runs some tests and realizes that the problem either isn't as bad as they originally feared, isn't really a problem, or can be fixed/addressed somehow. Or people get scared into returning perfectly good products to the stores causing aggrivation (and money!) to both Apple stores and themselves when they get a replacement that also works properly (but not as they expect it should) and think their replacement is defective too.
Ruahrc
I have never heard of an Apple store being able to calibrate someone's display for them, I don't think they have the capability unless they have a colorimeter lying around in the back that they use for things like this. So honestly I wouldn't expect much from going to the Apple store. I think the most productive thing you'd get out of it would be able to put it next to the models they have on display (and also compare it to other displays in the store such as the iMacs, Cinema display, etc) and see if yours differs significantly. Make sure to compare it to other displays too like the 15 and 17" MBPs, and the cinema display.
The whole bit about the photography is that you seem to be pretty vocal that this is Apple's problem and that they screwed up, when in reality you admit to not even having a good grasp on color fidelity and photography. So if you admit to knowing nothing about color (color in the digital sense and maintaining color accuracy in a color-managed workflow, not what color red is in real life), why do you think it's Apple's problem/fault? You also state that you need color accuracy (what for), but if you ask anyone who knows anything about color the first thing they'll tell you is that if you really need color accuracy, the #1 first thing you NEED to do is to buy a hardware calibrator and calibrate your screen. And if you really need that accuracy, you'd either know enough about color to already have one, or realize now that you need to go out and buy one.
It's things like this that make macrumors such a crapshoot. People who don't really know what they're talking about or doing notice something they don't expect, and rather than doing some research they make some post about it complaining instead. Other people who don't know what they're talking about join in and start throwing around wild theories, fly off the handle, start blaming Apple, etc. Yet other people who also don't know what they're talking about reads some anectodal comments by others and assume them to be the truth, and go on spreading FUD around the forums and elsewhere. And then we end up with 36 page topics where in the end the OP runs some tests and realizes that the problem either isn't as bad as they originally feared, isn't really a problem, or can be fixed/addressed somehow. Or people get scared into returning perfectly good products to the stores causing aggrivation (and money!) to both Apple stores and themselves when they get a replacement that also works properly (but not as they expect it should) and think their replacement is defective too.
Ruahrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--5eaT3OSNI
Test on greens. You have to be in front of both monitors to truly see the difference.
Test on greens. You have to be in front of both monitors to truly see the difference.
Pause the video at 16 seconds. There's a massive difference between the whites on both screens. Of course the greens will look different too. How do you know the HP2007 is correctly calibrated? Did you calibrate it with a colorimeter, your eyes, or just relying on the factory calibration?
All you've really shown is that your two screens are different, and that is not surprising since you haven't calibrated either against a known standard.
You said it yourself, there is nothing you can do until you go to the Apple store. Compare yours with other units in the store. If there is a big difference, then the employees should see it too and there should be no problem to get an exchange.
Ruahrc
All you've really shown is that your two screens are different, and that is not surprising since you haven't calibrated either against a known standard.
You said it yourself, there is nothing you can do until you go to the Apple store. Compare yours with other units in the store. If there is a big difference, then the employees should see it too and there should be no problem to get an exchange.
Ruahrc
Ah, I see the thing about the white difference. After using 5 second intervals for scrolling backgrounds I actually grew to like the difference a little bit. I mean, colors are different but they're much more vibrant.
How would I go about setting the screens to have the same amount of white? I've tried a number of things but I'm open for a good way to do it.
most pics on the web are sRGB colorspace this is NOT a wide gamut colorspace so it will look the same whether youre on a wide gamut monitor or not.
And even with a wide gamut monitor view a wide gamut photo, blue is blue. The color absolutely does not change just because its wide gamut. A wide gamut display and photo will be MORE accurate to real life, not less.
And even with a wide gamut monitor view a wide gamut photo, blue is blue. The color absolutely does not change just because its wide gamut. A wide gamut display and photo will be MORE accurate to real life, not less.
I've got a 9C9E panel (13" Mackbook Pro 2.53) that's displaying what was blue as a purple tinted blue.
Here's a link to three screen shots: Flickr
I'm pretty sure I remember all of these to have blue and not purple-blue for the links and graphics. My screen is calibrated and I can't seem to figure out why this is happening. People with panels other than 9C9E are having this trouble and one poster had the issue fixed with a 9C9E. I'm confused.
All I can figure is a possible problem with the LED lighting and not the panels. Why else would some panels of the same make display the issue and others not? I have an appointment with an Apple Genius tomorrow.
Here's a link to three screen shots: Flickr
I'm pretty sure I remember all of these to have blue and not purple-blue for the links and graphics. My screen is calibrated and I can't seem to figure out why this is happening. People with panels other than 9C9E are having this trouble and one poster had the issue fixed with a 9C9E. I'm confused.
All I can figure is a possible problem with the LED lighting and not the panels. Why else would some panels of the same make display the issue and others not? I have an appointment with an Apple Genius tomorrow.
Color profiles and gamut comparison
I created color profiles for the new MBP and the unibody MB here:
http://www.beloev.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=macbook-gammut:macbook-gamut
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
-- Georgi
I created color profiles for the new MBP and the unibody MB here:
http://www.beloev.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=macbook-gammut:macbook-gamut
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
-- Georgi