Color gamut difference?

Discussion in 'iPad' started by Joell27, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. Joell27 macrumors member

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    still undecided about which iPad Pro to get, but I love a great screen. Is the color gamut on the new pro significantly different than that on the 12.9 version?
     
  2. idyll, Apr 4, 2016
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    I've read the Delta E on the 9.7" was 1 vs the .19 of the 12.9," so the 12.9" should be more accurate. Trying to find the article right now..
     
  3. TheRealAlex macrumors 65816

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    Huge not only the specs from the keynote you can watch that again but theres more

    - 500nits Thats a bright device brighteset tablet
    - The Color Gamut matches the iMac 5K display
    http://blog.conradchavez.com/2015/1...r-gamut-of-the-imac-display-retina-late-2015/

    Very detailed info.

    Lastly my review having sold my iPad Air 1 side by side to my OLED Samsung Note 5 which is OLED and has the bets colors I have ever seen. The iPad Air 1 colors looked washed out and weak. Reds were too soft like an old shirt that was deep blue but you wash it 100 times now its barely blue. That was the iPad Air 1

    iPad Pro 9.7 has the widest color gamut even better than the 12.9 Pro. Now same review side by side next to my Note 5 again OLED display vs OLED the 9.7 Pro holds up colors pop look strong/ But softer than OLED but not by Much.

    Very vibrant and it accomplishes keeping up with OLED across multiple Brightness levels. I only have a Note 5 and thats a 5.7 Inch OLED display and the 9.7 Pro's colors never fade or washout in varying Backlight levels.

    Even at Max Brightness you can tell the OLED has brighter richer colors but the 9.7 Pro is perfectly acceptable. Its as if the OLED Display get a 10 Rating for nice bright colors and the iPad Pro 9.7 gets a 9.8 rating.
     
  4. idyll macrumors 6502

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    Here we go:

    "The 9.7-inch iPad Pro's display held up well in our lab tests. Using our colorimeter, the screen registered 432.8 nits of brightness, displayed 121.9 percent of the sRGB color gamut and achieved a Delta-E color accuracy rating of 1 (zero is perfect). That's brighter and more colorful than the 12.9-inch iPad Pro (374 nits and 111 percent sRGB). But the larger iPad Pro displays more accurate colors, with a Delta-E score of 0.19.

    The 9.7-inch iPad Pro is also brighter than the 341 nits on the Galaxy TabPro S, which is less accurate (4.7 Delta-E) but more colorful (180 percent sRGB). The Surface Pro 4 was dimmer (382 nits), less colorful (99.7 percent) and more accurate (0.35 Delta-E).

    - See more at: http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/tablets/apple-ipad-pro-9-7#sthash.Sbufx5Sx.dpuf"
     
  5. jonnyb098 macrumors 68020

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    Honestly the color saturation is barely noticeable. What is noticeable to me as soon as I used it was the black levels. Compared it to my buddy's air 2 and it was definitely noticeable. That with true tone makes the display much more pleasant to look at.
     
  6. TheMustacheBandit macrumors newbie

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    I didn't notice a difference between the pro 9.7 and my air 2. I think the better color claim was a tad exaggerated.
     
  7. Wando64 macrumors 6502

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    I don't know about the gamut, but the increased brightness of the 9.7" pro together with the reduced reflectivity make it the first iPad I am actually able to use outside in full sunlight.
    I have tested this scenario today and I am amazed as to the difference it makes.
     
  8. Krevnik macrumors 68040

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    The gamut is mostly useful when working with something that isn't sRGB. Which everything for the web basically is. So either you are working with photos in the Adobe RGB color space, or videos in the DCI P3 color space to see the benefit.

    But when web folks put everything in sRGB, the extra gamut is unused, and there is zero difference.
     
  9. jschu22 macrumors regular

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    Respectfully, is an improvement in color gamut really going to mean much in deciding between the two versions?
     
  10. Leo90 macrumors 6502

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    The screen on my Pro 9.7 blows the Air 2 out of the water. The blacks and white are really intense, so for me everything looks crispier even tough the resolution and ppi are the same as the Air 2.
     
  11. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Just don't confuse P3 with AdobeRGB. Different regions of the CIE1931 color space. If you need to do color accurate print work you are still going to need to finish it off with proofing on a proper monitor.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 5, 2016 ---
    Yesterday I compared an image made in Procreate on the iPad's screen against an Eizo (with system color profile set to sRGB). They weren't identical, so even with a basic color profile don't rely on iPads and other tablet devices for a little while longer.
     
  12. Krevnik macrumors 68040

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    True. But you will at least see a difference between AdobeRGB and sRGB on a P3 display since there is overlap in the wider gamuts. It just won't be accurate.

    I don't think Procreate even supports color profiles on iOS yet. Apps have to enable it themselves, otherwise they are in some weird no-mans-land where it thinks it is sRGB, but uses the whole gamut of the display. Much like say, Chrome on the latest iMacs.

    UIImage does though, and so does Safari (using sRGB as the default for CSS/etc). So browsing on iOS 9 won't really show a difference unless you come across an image in a different color space, which is by design. That was my point.
     
  13. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    The authors state in their FAQ their files are saved with pure RGBA, which itself is not a profile. Comparing the image I made on the iPad's screen and on my Eizo, the shift in colours appeared to be mostly in the reds. The shift wasn't too bad though. It wouldn't take much during soft proofing to fix it.
     
  14. Booloo macrumors regular

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    Thanks so much for the link! I've been looking for something like this. While I love OLED screens (probably my next TV when one of my plasmas kick the bucket), I have always been a bit of a stickler for accurate colors so seeing this info is very good to have.

    Apple has always been known for accurate color calibration on their displays, so the 9.7" to me almost seems like a couple steps back for them in that regard. Of course this is not a deal breaker but interesting nonetheless.

    I believe Anandtech had predicted this new display possibly being less color accurate. Still looking forward to their review.

    Thanks again for the info.
     
  15. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan, Apr 5, 2016
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    That's generally what happens when manufacturers want to impress consumers with highly saturated displays. Philips' first Quantum Dot displays 'suffer' from the same problem. True colour accurate displays are more nuanced and don't come cheap.

    The Gizmodo review put it best :

    'True Tone changes the white point of the display based on the lighting conditions of your environment. This makes it a lot easier on the eyes when you’re browsing sites or working in big black and white documents.

    But an altered white point is complete bunk if you want to watch a movie in accurately rendered colours or edit a photo. Filmmakers, photographers and graphic designers all rely on their displays being set to a very specific white point, D65. The minute you drift from that point your device is no longer optimal for creating content. So the iPad’s best publicised feature is just an irritant for the content creators.'
     
  16. bevsb2 macrumors 65816

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    Easy enough to turn it on and off for different functions.
     
  17. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Yeah just like Night Shift there's no need to keep it on.
     
  18. Krevnik macrumors 68040

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    This is something I already knew. ColorSync support on iOS very, very new. So it's not like I'd expect Procreate to have it implemented at this point (but it'd be nice if they started doing so now that it is there). The thing is, a profile is just something to tell the OS how to translate RGB data for display. So, no, it isn't a profile. Procreate was just using the device's default profile for drawing. But when the default profile is different for different devices, you will get different results when you draw.

    So... not sure what you were trying to point out here?
     
  19. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Because we are not speaking to just each other or at least we shouldn't be, so you knowing about these things already is besides the point. We should be informing all readers in case there are people who want to know about these things. And that's the way I prefer to see the internet being used.
     
  20. Booloo macrumors regular

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    Agreed, but do we know if the color accuracy will be similar to the 12.9 or even hopefully the Mini 4 when True Tone is off?
     
  21. Alicia1 macrumors regular

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    One of the first things I noticed with my 32gb wifi + cellular was the colours looked dull and washed out compared to my 12.9" and mini 4 and the screen was much warmer even with everything off. Should have taken pictures but I have returned it now.
     
  22. Joell27 thread starter macrumors member

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    So you prefer the 12.9 over the 9.7?
     
  23. Alicia1 macrumors regular

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    I guess you could say that. I was thinking if I get the 9.7 I will sell the 12.9 and the mini 4 but I really do like the bigger screen for when I am at home and the mini 4 for when I am out. I probably would have kept the 9.7 as well if the screen looked good, but to me it didn't and it also had a cosmetic issue, bare metal near the glass top left. Easy decision to send back.
     

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