Confused about "Rest Finger to Open"

Jayson A

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With this option both ON and OFF in Accessibility, my iPhone 7 Plus does the same exact thing.

With "Rest Finger to Open"
With the screen off, I "click" the home button and I'm immediately brought to my home screen.

Without "Rest Finger to Open"
With the screen off, I "click" the home button and I'm immediately brought to my home screen.

What am I doing wrong? I've restarted my phone and it doesn't make a difference!
 

max.ine

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Having Rest Finger to Open enabled means you don't have to "click" the button, which may be why you're confused.

It makes a lot more sense if you use TouchID, and I think that's what Apple is pushing for—unfortunate for other users, though.
 
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C DM

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As in you are taken to the unlocked home screen with the same quick action of just quickly pressing the home button when the phone is locked (and the screen is off)?
 

rijc99

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You've pressed the home button so it will be all the same.

Try this... turn the phone on with the power button OR raise to wake (if this is turned on) instead of the home button. Now try resting your finger on the home button. Depending on your setting it will either unlock then go to home screen or just unlock.

If you have rest finger to open ON, it will go to home screen.

If you have rest finger to open off, it will only unlock. Now you can double click to go to wallet.
 

Mlrollin91

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With this option both ON and OFF in Accessibility, my iPhone 7 Plus does the same exact thing.

With "Rest Finger to Open"
With the screen off, I "click" the home button and I'm immediately brought to my home screen.

Without "Rest Finger to Open"
With the screen off, I "click" the home button and I'm immediately brought to my home screen.

What am I doing wrong? I've restarted my phone and it doesn't make a difference!
With "Rest Finger to Open":
With raise to wake on, once the screen wakes, you can rest your finger and it will go to home screen. With raise to wake off, you can click the lock button, then rest your finger to open.

Without "Rest Finger to Open":
With raise to wake on, once the screen wakes you must click home button. With raise to wake off and you click lock button, you must then click home button.

If you have raise to wake off, and always use the home button to turn on your screen, then as you mentioned with "Rest finger to Open" on or off, you won't see a difference.
 

Jayson A

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Okay so let me get this straight.

I have to turn on the screen using the POWER button to see my notifications?

Because otherwise, I'm taken immediately to the home screen no matter which option I'm using. Rest to Open does the same thing as having Rest to Open turned off.

Screen is completely dark (not on). I press the home button and BAM, brought to home screen missing all of my notifications (regardless of the Rest to Open setting being on or off)

How I expect it to work with Rest to Open off: Press the home button while screen is off, iPhone UNLOCKS but lock screen still showing, then press again to actually go home.

I have touch ID enabled by the way.

Without Touch ID, it works as expected. Tap home button to turn screen on, tap home button to actually go home.
 

C DM

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Okay so let me get this straight.

I have to turn on the screen using the POWER button to see my notifications?

Because otherwise, I'm taken immediately to the home screen no matter which option I'm using. Rest to Open does the same thing as having Rest to Open turned off.

Screen is completely dark (not on). I press the home button and BAM, brought to home screen missing all of my notifications (regardless of the Rest to Open setting being on or off)

How I expect it to work with Rest to Open off: Press the home button while screen is off, iPhone UNLOCKS but lock screen still showing, then press again to actually go home.

I have touch ID enabled by the way.

Without Touch ID, it works as expected. Tap home button to turn screen on, tap home button to actually go home.
My understanding from all the discussions about the change in how the devices unlock in iOS 10 (slide to unlock being gone) is that one of the benefits and perhaps reasons for it was that for devices with latest generation of TouchID (which is faster) users would be able to see their lock screen instead of being quickly taken to their home page, which seems to be along the lines of your understanding/expectations as well.
 

stooovie

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"Rest finger to oopen " allows you to do exactly that IF you've either press the Sleep/Wake button first, OR Raised the phone to wake it. I'm both these cases, you are NOT bypassing notifications. If EITHER of these is true AND you have "Rest finger" enabled, you don't need to press the Home button at all. Think of it as a feature complementary to Raise to wake.
 

Jayson A

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"Rest finger to oopen " allows you to do exactly that IF you've either press the Sleep/Wake button first, OR Raised the phone to wake it. I'm both these cases, you are NOT bypassing notifications. If EITHER of these is true AND you have "Rest finger" enabled, you don't need to press the Home button at all. Think of it as a feature complementary to Raise to wake.
I don't think you understand.

I have "rest to open" OFF and Touch ID ON. I should be able to turn the screen on using the home button, but the phone should STAY on the lock-screen (to see notifications and such). The iPhone will have read my fingerprint and unlocked, but not taken to the home screen. Then I should have to press the home button again to get to the home screen.

However, that's not how it's working for me.
 

Mlrollin91

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I don't think you understand.

I have "rest to open" OFF and Touch ID ON. I should be able to turn the screen on using the home button, but the phone should STAY on the lock-screen (to see notifications and such). The iPhone will have read my fingerprint and unlocked, but not taken to the home screen. Then I should have to press the home button again to get to the home screen.

However, that's not how it's working for me.
Not if you are waking the screen by clicking the home button. This is no different than iOS 7-9.
 

DeltaMac

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If you want to stay on the lock screen, don't leave your finger on the home button.
Doesn't matter what setting you have, if you leave your finger on the home button. It will go directly through to the home screen (assuming that you use TouchID)
Rest "off" means that you can't simply rest your finger on the second press, you have to actually press (click) it.
If you do not remove your finger when waking, it will read your touchID, and take you on.
Lift your finger! You could call it a "click-lift", I suppose.
 

C DM

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Not if you are waking the screen by clicking the home button. This is no different than iOS 7-9.
But wasn't that one of the benefits behind the changes of the new unlock method in iOS 10, especially in relation to latest generation TouchID devices that are very quick? Seems like that's what quite a number of discussions about it all have surfaced during the beta phase and afterward. Otherwise it doesn't seem like it changes much in relation to that "issue" that some have had with the faster TouchID.
 

Mlrollin91

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But wasn't that one of the benefits behind the changes of the new unlock method in iOS 10, especially in relation to latest generation TouchID devices that are very quick? Seems like that's what quite a number of discussions about it all have surfaced during the beta phase and afterward. Otherwise it doesn't seem like it changes much in relation to that "issue" that some have had with the faster TouchID.
I mean I guess technically you are right. But this it how its been for me since iOS 10 beta. With or without "rest finger to open" on, it always worked as iOS 7-9 did. Wake the screen with TouchID and it automatically brings you to the home screen. Now with the option, waking with lock button doesn't require you to then click the home button. Simply resting your finger there is sufficient now. So it reduces one step.
 

Jayson A

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If you want to stay on the lock screen, don't leave your finger on the home button.
Doesn't matter what setting you have, if you leave your finger on the home button. It will go directly through to the home screen (assuming that you use TouchID)
Rest "off" means that you can't simply rest your finger on the second press, you have to actually press (click) it.
If you do not remove your finger when waking, it will read your touchID, and take you on.
Lift your finger! You could call it a "click-lift", I suppose.
I can't lift my finger fast enough. The moment I press the home button, I lift my finger as quickly as possible and I'm brought to the home screen.

I want to be able to wake my phone with the home button, but not be brought to the home screen. I want my iPhone to behave as if I have touch ID off, but with the added security of touch ID.

Screen Off
1. Press home button.
2. Phone unlocks using touch ID, but stays on lock-screen.
3. Look at notifications.
4. Press home button to go to actual home.

Right now I have:
Screen Off.
1. Press home button
2. Get taken to home screen automatically without a chance at looking at the lock-screen at all.

Point is... touch ID is too fast and I thought that was the whole point of adding the extra unlock-step.
 

myname70

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I can't lift my finger fast enough. The moment I press the home button, I lift my finger as quickly as possible and I'm brought to the home screen.

I want to be able to wake my phone with the home button, but not be brought to the home screen. I want my iPhone to behave as if I have touch ID off, but with the added security of touch ID.

Screen Off
1. Press home button.
2. Phone unlocks using touch ID, but stays on lock-screen.
3. Look at notifications.
4. Press home button to go to actual home.

Right now I have:
Screen Off.
1. Press home button
2. Get taken to home screen automatically without a chance at looking at the lock-screen at all.

Point is... touch ID is too fast and I thought that was the whole point of adding the extra unlock-step.
Just disable Rest Finger to Open and you will have exactly the same first scenario you described. With this option set to off - when screen is off and you either lift the phone or push the power button - the screen wakes up (the phone is still locked at that moment ). Then - just touch the home button (not pressing it!) and the phone unlocks (but still on the lock page wallpepare. ) and you can read all you notifications, even can reply etc (not going onthe home screen). If you want - then, you have to click the home button and you will be transferred to the home screen.
 

C DM

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Just disable Rest Finger to Open and you will have exactly the same first scenario you described. With this option set to off - when screen is off and you either lift the phone or push the power button - the screen wakes up (the phone is still locked at that moment ). Then - just touch the home button (not pressing it!) and the phone unlocks (but still on the lock page wallpepare. ) and you can read all you notifications, even can reply etc (not going onthe home screen). If you want - then, you have to click the home button and you will be transferred to the home screen.
Seems like that's not the case as the OP has explained and as the thread is basically about.
 

CPx

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There's a lot to unpack here. What you're seeing is the speed of Touch ID. If you want to see the notifications, use a non-registered finger (like your middle finger) to push the home button. With the iPhone 6s, you can also use the very tip of your finger/thumb so it doesn't trigger Touch ID. Unfortunately, in my few minutes of playing with a 7 at the Apple Store, I don't think this trick works quite as well because of the capacitive home button. But it might work if you play with it enough and find the right angle. The trick will be to trigger the capacitive home button without triggering Touch ID. Good luck. :)

You can also use raise-to-wake or the power button, but those aren't always handy. For example, if your phone is on a desk and you just want to see the screen, etc.

I really wish Apple would change unlock speed back to how it was on the iPhone 6, which worked perfectly. You could click (with any finger!) to see notifications, and hold to unlock. On the new phones they should implement a time delay for the lock screen, but keep the fast Touch ID for the app store, etc. Frankly this is a silly problem that shouldn't exist.
 

myname70

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Seems like that's not the case as the OP has explained and as the thread is basically about.
Not exactly. Please read the first post of the thread "owner". He claimed he is confused tjat both options deliver the same result. Which is not true. Simply he mess up "click" with "touch" the home button.
 

C DM

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Not exactly. Please read the first post of the thread "owner". He claimed he is confused tjat both options deliver the same result. Which is not true. Simply he mess up "click" with "touch" the home button.
Doesn't really seem like that's the case given various posts by the OP, including one of the most recent ones that specifically asks about that too at http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/confused-about-rest-finger-to-open.2003937/#post-23657742
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Raise to wake
One workaround in a sense, but doesn't quite help if the phone is lying down or is perhaps on a stand or something like that and you just quickly want to check on things with a quick press of the home button (which is the more convenient button to press).
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Why not just use a different finger (not assigned to TouchID) if you want to stay on the lock screen. :D
That's no different that it was before really, while it seems that part of the whole unlock method change in iOS 10 was to address that aspect of it all. Unless that really wasn't much of a reason, in which case it seems like the unlock method change essentially didn't really even have much behind it beyond just change for the sake of it almost.
 

rijc99

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Many have said it here already but once again... use raise to wake to turn on your phone if you don't want to use the power button.

Stay away from the home button as a means to wake the phone.
 

Jayson A

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Just disable Rest Finger to Open and you will have exactly the same first scenario you described. With this option set to off - when screen is off and you either lift the phone or push the power button - the screen wakes up (the phone is still locked at that moment ). Then - just touch the home button (not pressing it!) and the phone unlocks (but still on the lock page wallpepare. ) and you can read all you notifications, even can reply etc (not going onthe home screen). If you want - then, you have to click the home button and you will be transferred to the home screen.
That's my point. It's NOT like this.

Touch ID ENABLED
Rest Finger to Open DISABLED
Screen OFF
Press home button... and I'm taken directly to the home screen (no matter how fast I lift my finger).
 

LordQ

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You can use the dedicated sleep/wake button to wake the phone and see your notifications, y'know.
 

Tyler23

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That's my point. It's NOT like this.

Touch ID ENABLED
Rest Finger to Open DISABLED
Screen OFF
Press home button... and I'm taken directly to the home screen (no matter how fast I lift my finger).
Yes, because you pressed the home button with a finger registered with Touch ID which unlocks the phone and takes you to your home screen..