Confusion about HTML5 and Flash

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  1. jotade11 macrumors regular

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    Hello everyone!

    I have been trying to figure out: is there a similar program to Flash, built for HTML5? I understand that, in a way, the two things are totally different, but is there a content creator (other than the DW plugin for HTML5) that would be similar to Flash CS5?

    Sorry if this is a ridiculous question, I'm just a bit confused, but eager to jump (possibly) ahead of the game xD

    Gracias!
     
  2. Truffy macrumors 6502a

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    Isn't the point/value of HTML5 (at least in part) to ditch Flash?

    You don't say what it is about Flash that you're trying to recreate. Video? Interactivity? Games? Teeny tiny text that cannot be read or resized?

    This might give you a start: http://www.apple.com/html5/

    Oh, and you're definitely ahead of the game, since most users' browsers don't actually support HTML5 yet.
     
  3. jotade11 thread starter macrumors regular

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    I'm looking for the interactivity, video and animation. I was just wondering if there is a streamlined application (or a 'toolkit'), like Flash is, except it spits out only HTML5, not a .swf file.
     
  4. Cabbit macrumors 68020

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    Not yet there isn't, there was however a demo a while back of Adobe Flash making a animation for the HMTL Canvas.
     
  5. UTclassof89 macrumors 6502

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    Mozilla is working on one called Thunderhead.

    And there's no doubt Adobe is working on expanding Flash's Canvas Export capability.

    (Flash is actually positioned to be a great HTML 5 IDE, which is why everyone claiming 'Flash is dead' is full of it--even if the .SWF format were to vanish from the web, Flash (the IDE) will still be used)
     
  6. UTclassof89 macrumors 6502

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    No. The point of HTML 5 is to give HTML 4.01 a 10-year-overdue update. Flash does things HTML 5 can't (even video capabilities that everyone's excited about can't do what Flash video can)
     
  7. Truffy macrumors 6502a

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    My comment on Flash was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I should've made that more clear.

    I didn't read all of the blog that you linked to. I'm tired and neeeeed bed. But the pen video concern over H.264 has, of course, been recently addressed satisfactorily (I hope!)

    I'm sure that Flash will be around for some time to come, and its IDE for even longer. But I don't care about the IDE as long as it's out putting something that's not SWF. Flash itself as a user experience will pass unlamented by some of us.

    To be fair, a lot of my issues with Flash are more down to the retarded developers rather than Flash itself. But I'll shoot the messenger if I can't knobble the message sender.
     
  8. Consultant macrumors G5

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    FAIL.

    Google said: future of web is HTML5. Microsoft said the same thing.
     
  9. eponym macrumors 6502

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    [insert Picard facepalm here]
     
  10. jotade11 thread starter macrumors regular

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    So uh, when could one expect to see an update? :p
    Is 6 months a reasonable time frame? 2-3 months? A year? More?
     
  11. snickelfritz macrumors 65816

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    HTML5 (video/canvas) AFAIK, does not yet have an authoring tool like Flash Professional or Catalyst.
    Apple has made a comparison between HTML5 and Flash in order to support the lack of Flash on the iPad.
    But honestly, does Apple really expect the entire internet to evolve to HTML5 in order to support one relatively obscure device?

    The key to successful Flash deployment is the fallback behaviors.
    It's similar to jQuery; if the user does not have javascript or flash, the site should still be functional.

    Adobe includes very good support for swfobject in FlashCS5, but the process of mapping your Flash data into the alternate content div requires "in the wild" PHP scripts and/or a content management system.
    Drupal, for example, has very comprehensive support for a partial or full Flash frontend, with SEO, and support for no-flash devices like the iPad.
    Very few Flash developers know how to handle this though.
     
  12. UTclassof89 macrumors 6502

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    Mozilla might take a very long time to roll out a significant new product like Thunderhead.

    Adobe updates its software every 18-24 months (but a canvas export feature for Flash might come faster since it's not an overhaul of the whole application--could be a free update sooner).
     
  13. designguy79 macrumors 6502

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    Keep in mind that the HTML spec is not finalized, and probably won't be for a few years yet. And then you have to wait for IE to support the key features, and then for people to start installing and using it...

    Here is an article about it from last year...

    http://gcn.com/Articles/2009/08/31/HTML-5-long-road-to-development.aspx

    Maybe somebody else has more up-to-date info to share?
     

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