Considering End-of-Life Air and Pro or should I wait for a new iMac?

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by Seamus Warren, Dec 7, 2016.

  1. Seamus Warren macrumors newbie

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    Hello, Do you think it's reasonable to write-off the latest USB-C MacBooks due to the bad press they are getting and instead consider/compare the Macbook Air and pre-USB-C Macbook Pro?

    I feel a sense of urgency as certainly the Pro - and probably the Air as well - will soon be defunct, but I also feel I may be taking the wrong path.

    I bought a 2009 iMac shortly before USB 3.0 was introduced and was stuck with a USB 2.0 bottleneck issue (unless my computer was just slow) when I started adding external USB 3.0 drives. I'm worried I'll be caught in a similar situation if I get a soon to be discontinued Air or Pro.

    I mostly want a portable solution within the home. No need to take my computer on the road. So I might be better served mounting an iMac to an overbed desk (https://goo.gl/images/V4IlSP) I can cart around the house.

    Thank you.
     
  2. maflynn Moderator

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    I'd avoid the MBA at this point, I don't see any compelling reason for the MBA.

    Why do you think Apple is going to kill off the MBP when they just released a major revision? Doesn't seem to make sense. Some of the issues, can be attributed to being a Gen 1 product, other issues are related to the Apple's design choices.

    What's not mentioned in your post, is how you plan on using it, i.e., what apps? Ultimately knowing the intended purpose, will help determine the best computer for the job.

    I don't think you can go wrong with a 2015 rMBP if you can still find a new one, though I think the 2016 MBP may be a fine choice depending on your usage.


    Wow, words fail me on that - I don't think that something that may be useful. If you want to use a computer from room to room in your house, then definitely get a MBP
     
  3. theluggage macrumors 68030

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    Apple is still selling some models of the Air and pre-USB-C MacBook Pro, so they will be supported for some years to come. USB-A devices are going to be around for a while, too. If they'll do the job for you, and you're worried about the price, they're certainly worth considering, especially as 2nd hand/refurb.

    The underlying problem with the new MBP is a conflict between the "it works for me - stop hating Apple" and the "no, actually, I've looked at it doesn't work for me - stop worshiping Apple" camps. So, the only thing to do is to do the research and decide if it works for you.

    First thing to do with the new MacBook Pros is get into a store and try out the keyboard - its a love/hate thing and totally subjective. Give it a chance - I was surprised to find that I quite liked it, but if you hate it then, unless you plan to use the laptop exclusively in 'desktop replacement mode' with an external keyboard, that's kinda end of argument. Also, see what you think of the huge touchpad - I'm not 100% convinced that bigger is better and found, for example, that I couldn't use it accurately with my thumbs (I think this was related to the reported palm-rejection problems).

    Then you need to sit down and work out your "dongle bill" - what cables, adapters, power supplies, docks, new peripherals etc. you will actually need to support your daily needs "in the manner to which you have become accustomed". Again, this depends on your circumstances - I had a nasty shock because I "commute" (just) my laptop between desks at home and work and need to connect to projectors, USB sticks etc. on the road, so it was either buy 2 of everything and 3 of some things, or have to carry a whole more gubbins around than currently. Other people just need a $20 lightning cable and done.

    Then its a case of how much grunt you need: the new non-touchbar MBP seems like a credible (if somewhat more expensive) replacement for the Air. Just ignore the "Pro" on the label and it makes sense.... provided you can live with the limited ports: just two that have to serve for power/external display/USB. If you're happy with Air-level 15W processor choices then the fact that these ports can do 40Gbps thunderbolt is probably kinda irrelevant: you can still only plug in 2 things without a dock/multi-port adapter. Again - this isn't a problem for everybody.

    As for the touchbar model - if you need the higher-power or quad core processors then, I'd say, at least wait until the dust has settled and we know if the screen glitches, speaker blow-outs and palm-rejection and battery life issues are software-fixable teething problems or something deeper. That said - even on paper, the CPU and GPU are only marginally better than the previous generation (an improvement that can easily be wiped out by the different default display mode and extra thermal throttling) and which ever way you cut it the battery capacity is 20% less than the previous model so while the most egregious battery problems may be fixable, the battery won't last as long as the old one on operations that max out the CPU/GPU.

    It will also be worth waiting to see if Apple's new, higher, prices result in more discounts and deals being offered than in the past. Deals/discounts (apart from student/edu) have never been that common on current-model Apple hardware, but with other manufacturers its common for the "list price" to be higher than the "street price". I was vaguely surprised to see Black Friday discounts on brand new models (that were supposedly outselling hot cakes).
     
  4. Fishrrman macrumors G4

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    The 2015 MacBook Pro isn't quite "end-of-life" yet.

    It's still in the product line, and I sense Apple is going to be surprised at the number of buyers who still want the older design with the legacy ports (I just bought one myself).

    For that reason, I predict it won't disappear for a while...
     
  5. pastrychef macrumors 601

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    I think lots of the criticism the new MacBook Pros have received unjustified and just lots of fud. Given a choice, I would definitely go for the new models in a heart beat.
     
  6. Larry-K macrumors 68000

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    Haven't noticed anything from Apple improving recently, but if you're a big "Dongle-Fan" knock yourself out.

    Personally, I like carrying my ports with me automatically.
     
  7. 62tele macrumors 6502a

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    I loved the new MBP that I demo'd the other day. Really the only two downsides at this point is the price plus the cost of adding a dongle solution.
    They are sleek machines. I didn't detect any problem at all with the keyboard. The screens are stunning.
    Although I know the 2015 MBP's are still great machines, they are relatively old tech.
    I am going to wait and see what 2017 brings in terms of an iMac refresh.
     
  8. J&JPolangin macrumors 68030

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    I'm typing this on a mid 2013 11.6" MBA and its a great portable machine with lots of battery life; check the refurb section to see if you can find something that interests you?...
     
  9. marioman38 macrumors 6502a

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    If you can afford it. Pick up the base model 2016 15" macbook pro, and buy a dock, then you can plug all of your USB3 external HDDs in through one USB-C cable into the macbook.
     

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