Corephotonics Sues Apple Again Over Dual-Lens Cameras in iPhone 7 Plus and Later [Updated]

[TheShadowKnows!]

Things said in negotiations generally can’t be used as proof of liability. See Federal Rules of Evidence 408.

Also, it seems to me that this allegation HELPS apple. They expressed contempt for the patent. Said “even if” apple infringed - in other words, apple doesn’t.

And it’s not unusual to point out to the other party in a negotiation that money in hand now may be better than uncertain money in the distant future.

You miss my point, cmaier.

It is not about the legalese (and you probably are right on the legalese, while parsing every word).
It is about public shamming a corporation as to display publicly its true behavior while portraying a holier-than-thou stance.

holier-than-thou: marked by an air of superior piety or morality​

[And, yes, the 1,000-strong, in-house, Apple law-staff will always make it painful and likely extend any payment of claims, if any, to the farthest horizon.]

So, I say, let's go to the video! /s

 

[macfacts]

you forgot option 4....

4) Spend 3-7 years developing a new tech for your devices (Apple likes to take their time and get it right). Someone else comes out with a similar tech prior to Apple letting theirs out into the wild (often a much less refined product). That company sues Apple... because hey, they had it "first".

Not saying thats the case here, but it is very often the case...

Even if it was what #4 is, apple is still in the wrong.

 

[gavroche]

Even if it was what #4 is, apple is still in the wrong.

My comment was tongue in cheek... and directed more at the "we had it before Apple" crowd. Also, I didn't say they other company had a patent, so not sure how you have determined Apple is in the wrong in my hypothetical... and lastly, this thread, and my comment, are from nearly two years ago... lol

 

[jimbobb24]

Software patents need to be copywrite or limited to 3 years. The current situation is a head ache for everyone.

 

[JMAndiSmith]

It looks like Apple bought the 2nd company as a cover operation for stealing the 1st company's ideas. Not good.

that still needs to be proven in court.

 

[rek89]

Wait, what?!?!?! This lawsuit wasn't filed in East Texas??

Don't they know ALL patent lawsuits are filed there and have a very good chance of winning regardless of proof?

Pretty sure Apple can't be sued for patent infringement in East Texas anymore.

 

[JMAndiSmith]

Cue the cultists screaming patent troll and defend theft by Apple in 3...2...1

Nobody is claiming this company is a patent troll. And defend Apple and it is up to the prosecution to prove that Apple willingly stole their ideas from them.

my question is what happened between 2 years ago and today? Seems a little odd that they are suing again instead of adding to their previous claim. Just saying!

 

[rpmurray]

"Good artists copy, great artists steal"

Bad artists claim copyright infringement.

 

[neuropsychguy]

Wow, you got to meet Picasso and ask him what he meant? Very cool!

The parent was off base. It doesn't matter what Picasso meant by it (there's not really any evidence Picasso said that statement anyway), only Jobs. We don't really know what Jobs meant by it but there's enough contextual information to maybe understand. Here's an article covering the history of the quote; it's an interesting read: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/

From that article - a version of the quote goes back at least to the late 1890s but there's a version by T.S. Eliot that might be what Steve Jobs meant (again, we can't be sure but :

"One of the surest of tests is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest."

And then from Steve Jobs (the whole context in important): "Ultimately it comes down to taste. It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you’re doing. I mean Picasso had a saying he said good artists copy great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

Those are all taken from that article, which is sourced.

 

[cmaier]

You miss my point, cmaier.

It is not about the legalese (and you probably are right on the legalese, while parsing every word).
It is about public shamming a corporation as to display publicly its true behavior while portraying a holier-than-thou stance.

holier-than-thou: marked by an air of superior piety or morality​

[And, yes, the 1,000-strong, in-house, Apple law-staff will always make it painful and likely extend any payment of claims, if any, to the farthest horizon.]

So, I say, let's go to the video! /s

Public shamming is perfectly acceptable. I frequently sham on the way to work, and sometimes when I have some time with nothing planned on sunday afternoons.

Though, I do have to ask: where's the sham in pointing out to someone who sues you: "yeah, listen, we don't infringe. Your patent is also invalid. But even if that's not the case, it will be years before you win in court. So how about we settle this now, and we pay you $xxxxx instead of spending a lot of money on lawyers when you may lose anyway?"

Doesn't seem very shamful to me. But I may not sham the same way you do.
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Software patents need to be copywrite or limited to 3 years. The current situation is a head ache for everyone.

copywrite is my favorite cache coherency protocol.

 

[tito2020]

Yeah, definitely not a patent troll in this case.

Pay them and go away

 

[Fixey]

There's nothing new about this concept. When DSLR cameras were low resolution in the early 2000's I'd take a wide shot and then switch lenses and move in closer to take photos I'd eventually stitch together for a larger MP image.

Yes it’s just software doing it theses days as CPUs get faster and more powerful then comes a greedy person that decide to file a patent on it something that he or she didn’t invent

 

[ani4ani]

Low revenue? Just sue Apple! :-|

Or just take and use what you want regardless...be Apple

 

[uttrekr]

Wait, what?!?!?! This lawsuit wasn't filed in East Texas??

Don't they know ALL patent lawsuits are filed there and have a very good chance of winning regardless of proof?

Apple went to great lengths to take the "rocket docket" away from the Patent Trolls. They have completely pulled all presence from the Eastern District. The most noticeable was the closing of the two Apple Stores in the well to do North Suburbs of Dallas. (Sadly the "replacement" for the two stores is a cramped mess in the Dallas Galleria. Quite the sacrifice for customers too.)

 

[Macpro2019]

I don’t find any of this shocking. Apple is known to “borrow” other companies “ideas.” Apple will face karma, no doubt.

 

[melodyfo1974]

Any other companies being sued considering how many have dual lense cameras on their phones?

That was my first thought. Samsung, LG, Huawei, and however makes that Google phone if not listed already.

 

[MacUser09425]

Or just take and use what you want regardless...be Apple

Having read multiple accounts this sounds more accurate. Like the 90’s Gates Microsoft that crippled many small firms. Not good.

 

[Johnevich]

Corephotonics. A Samsung company.

 

[MacBH928]

Where do you file a lawsuit for companies that exist in two different countries?
In the plaintiff country or the defendant country?

 

[cmaier]

Where do you file a lawsuit for companies that exist in two different countries?
In the plaintiff country or the defendant country?

Where the injury occurred, or where a court has jurisdiction.

So plaintiffs typically file in their own country.

 

[ocnitsa]

I actually think they might have a case here, but if they’re suing, they might as well go after everyone they can.

Sue Apple...win...others will settle out of court to avoid lawsuit. That’s why you go after the biggest fish.

 

[cmaier]

Sue Apple...win...others will settle out of court to avoid lawsuit. That’s why you go after the biggest fish.

But usually patent owners start with the small fish, who settle quickly and establish a royalty rate that can be used as evidence against the big fish. It also provides the financing that is used to pay the lawyers for the big fight.

And i’ve never seen any company say “they sued apple and won, let’s just pay up instead of fighting.”

 

[MacBH928]

Where the injury occurred, or where a court has jurisdiction.

So plaintiffs typically file in their own country.

in this case, how will they sue Apple in Israel when Apple is in California?

 

[Cmdrx3]

There's nothing new about this concept. When DSLR cameras were low resolution in the early 2000's I'd take a wide shot and then switch lenses and move in closer to take photos I'd eventually stitch together for a larger MP image.

Did your camera in the early 2000's have and use both lenses at the same time and use in-camera software to stitch them together... No didn't think so. It's wasn't a dual lens camera then was it, so it was hardly the same.

People are always quick to criticise when companies steal Apple's technology but it's ALWAYS a different story on here when the reverse is true. It matters not if the company is a multibillion or even a multi million dollar company... If they have developed the technology AND patented it, then they have a right to defend that patent and they did, rather quickly. One thing is for sure, they certainly aren't going to BECOME a multibillion dollar company if current multibillion dollar companies steals the technology it's developed.

 

[cmaier]

in this case, how will they sue Apple in Israel when Apple is in California?

I don’t think anyone is suing Apple here, but, as a hypothetical, Apple does have a presence in Israel. They have stores there, and I believe R&D as well. They may even have an Israeli subsidiary. Israeli law probably allows Israeli’s to sue in Israel in that situation.