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Does “Hand ID” secure enough for money transaction (banking, app purchase)? If not, then useless.

To use FaceID on table...set Alternate Face ID. When doing this, put phone down at your belly (touching your belly) and look down on it and do the FaceID setup.

Done. Now you can unlock your phone easily while on table.
 

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Does “Hand ID” secure enough for money transaction (banking, app purchase)? If not, then useless..
Apparently so.

They say your hand or veins in your had is unique to you, like a finger print.

Also it could just be implemented for unlocking and not payments.
 

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"LG told me during the hands-on for the G8 that the company didn't feel in-display fingerprint sensing technology was quite ready for the mainstream, at least for the company's tastes."

I had to laugh at that one. Optical and ultrasonic in-display readers are widely available. Yet, LG chose to implement something that requires 2 hands to unlock.
 

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"LG told me during the hands-on for the G8 that the company didn't feel in-display fingerprint sensing technology was quite ready for the mainstream, at least for the company's tastes."

I had to laugh at that one. Optical and ultrasonic in-display readers are widely available. Yet, LG chose to implement something that requires 2 hands to unlock.
But to be fair, Samsung ultrasonic fingerprint reader is far from perfect....actually quite bad! Even TheVerge conclusion for Samsung was to...copy FaceID! LOL

Optical reader can leave a mark on the display! FAIL.

Hmmm, it sure looks like Apple did the right thing with FaceID.
 

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I just think it would be nice to have as an option to unlock it if you wanted.
 

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I just think it would be nice to have as an option to unlock it if you wanted.
The problem with options is that your phone is only as secure as the weakest link. If Apple adds another bio-metric security option, and if it's less secure than FaceID, your phone is now less secure period. I'm truly sorry that FaceID isn't for everyone, but making our phones less secure isn't a viable option either. At least it doesn't seem to be for Apple, and for that I'm thankful.
 

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I'm not sure why people assume its not as secure?

Your hands and the veins in them are just as unique as your face.

Being able to hover my hand over the screen while the phone is laid flat on the table would be mush easier than having to lean over the phone or pick up the phone for Face ID.

I dislike having to enter the passcode when Face ID fails, which happens a few times a day.
 

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I'm not sure why people assume its not as secure?
Why do you assume it is as secure? They've given no information on that subject, so it could really go either way. Until we get more information, it's just guessing.
 

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I'm not sure why people assume its not as secure?

Your hands and the veins in them are just as unique as your face.

Being able to hover my hand over the screen while the phone is laid flat on the table would be mush easier than having to lean over the phone or pick up the phone for Face ID.

I dislike having to enter the passcode when Face ID fails, which happens a few times a day.
If your waiting for Apple to implement what you're suggesting you'll be waiting for a long time. Faceid is the biometric security Apple will use for years, if you want Handid I suggest you purchase the device that has it as a feature not ask why Apple doesn't use it..
 

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Why do you assume it is as secure? They've given no information on that subject, so it could really go either way. Until we get more information, it's just guessing.
I don’t assume either way. I just don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

I’m pretty sure they will have Touch ID build into the screen soon anyway. 2 forms if security is better than one. More options is always good.

I think sometimes people get a bit sniffy and think well if Apple aren’t doing it , it must be no good. That is, until they do do it and usually perfect it.

None of us know what Apple will introduce in the future.
 

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I don’t assume either way. I just don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

I’m pretty sure they will have Touch ID build into the screen soon anyway. 2 forms if security is better than one. More options is always good.

I think sometimes people get a bit sniffy and think well if Apple aren’t doing it , it must be no good. That is, until they do do it and usually perfect it.

None of us know what Apple will introduce in the future.
Let's see. LG is the ONLY one doing this "HandID". No one else...no one else seem to care. And LG has a very strong history of gimmicks that lead to no where. Remember LG G5?!

IF HandID cannot do purchases, then it is NOT as secure. Period. That's the litmus test for consumer biometrics.

TouchID under screen...like the optical? Ultrasonic? Well, as i mentioned above, those two options are not very good on other devices. And as far as i know, those are the ONLY two options for fingerprint under display.

It is not that people are sniffy...it is because Apple has shown time after time that occasionally, they do know what they are doing.
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Being able to hover my hand over the screen while the phone is laid flat on the table would be mush easier than having to lean over the phone or pick up the phone for Face ID.
Did you see the link above? You put your hand over device...and then move your hand up in a slow deliberate motion and then wait a little.....THEN the phone unlocks. And that is assuming that it does so every time you do it, which i have my doubts.

Sorry, leaning over a tiny bit and swiping to unlock my XS is far quicker and easier to do.
 
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I guess options are great. I like the ability to use air gestures though. Would be nice to unlock with face id and nod the head to go to the home screen.
 

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I’m sure Apple could implement something better than LG if they put their mind too it.

If it’s as secure as Touch ID I don’t see the problem.

Obviously that’s yet to be proven.

People seem very quick to dismiss the idea. I’m sure it could be improved and perfected on.

Kudos to LG for trying something different.
 
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I guess options are great. I like the ability to use air gestures though. Would be nice to unlock with face id and nod the head to go to the home screen.
Because lifting a finger is so darn hard?
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I’m sure Apple could implement something better than LG if they put their mind too it.

If it’s as secure as Touch ID I don’t see the problem.

Obviously that’s yet to be proven.

People seem very quick to dismiss the idea. I’m sure it could be improved and perfected on.

Kudos to LG for trying something different.
Quick to dismiss because it is not an improvement to what is out there.

Trying something different is fine if there is a roadmap to the future. LG is famous for gimmicks that lead nowhere. They have shown little commitment to their gimmicks.
 
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Because lifting a finger is so darn hard?
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Quick to dismiss because it is not an improvement to what is out there.

Trying something different is fine if there is a roadmap to the future. LG is famous for gimmicks that lead nowhere. They have shown little commitment to their gimmicks.

I think it could be an improvement. As humans are instinct is to interact with things with our hands.

I would also like an under screen finger print reader to go with Face ID at some point.
 

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I think it could be an improvement. As humans are instinct is to interact with things with our hands.

I would also like an under screen finger print reader to go with Face ID at some point.
I agree partially with your statement. Yes we as humans like to interact with our hands, but, with that being said more often than not we will have our phone in our hands. That being the case it is far easier to simply look at the phone(which you do any way)and have it unlock than to have to hold a hand up to it.

Sure there is an inconvenience in having to lean over your phone to unlock when it’s on a desk but those occasions don’t require a new biometric technology.

As has been pointed out by myself and a few others Face ID is the future for Apple, they have said so themselves. In their opinion it is more secure.

Why would they then reintroduce Touch ID, an inferior security technology? Putting it under the screen changes nothing.
 

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I think it could be an improvement. As humans are instinct is to interact with things with our hands.

I would also like an under screen finger print reader to go with Face ID at some point.
Don’t forget that with LG way, i think that the scanner is ALWAYS on....to detect the hand. FaceID only turns on when you lift your phone or tap on it. Apple will NEVER go that route where the scanner is constantly on.
 

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I agree partially with your statement. Yes we as humans like to interact with our hands, but, with that being said more often than not we will have our phone in our hands. That being the case it is far easier to simply look at the phone(which you do any way)and have it unlock than to have to hold a hand up to it.

Sure there is an inconvenience in having to lean over your phone to unlock when it’s on a desk but those occasions don’t require a new biometric technology.

As has been pointed out by myself and a few others Face ID is the future for Apple, they have said so themselves. In their opinion it is more secure.

Why would they then reintroduce Touch ID, an inferior security technology? Putting it under the screen changes nothing.
I think one of the reasons they went the Face ID route was not necessarily because it was more secure but for them to do an edge to edge screen they needed to remove the Touch ID home button, Face ID was the solution.

Now the technology exists to have under screen finger print scanners, I'm sure they will refine the technology and re introduce it at some point so people have both options.

The problem apple now is that notches are becoming an obsolete style choice and most mobile phone makers flagship phones are gaining full screen edge to edge screens with no notch. I have read that there might be the technology to have cameras underneath the screen, but we'll see.
 

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I think one of the reasons they went the Face ID route was not necessarily because it was more secure but for them to do an edge to edge screen they needed to remove the Touch ID home button, Face ID was the solution.

Now the technology exists to have under screen finger print scanners, I'm sure they will refine the technology and re introduce it at some point so people have both options.

The problem apple now is that notches are becoming an obsolete style choice and most mobile phone makers flagship phones are gaining full screen edge to edge screens with no notch. I have read that there might be the technology to have cameras underneath the screen, but we'll see.
But.....the ONLY two under screen fingerprint scanner technologies (optical and ultrasonic) are badly underwhelming in use......far worst than FaceID. Both have limitations that will be very hard to overcome.

Not sure...but notches are more attractive than pinholes...symmetry is easy on the eyes! S10 has notifications and other indicators pushed to one side. Remember, X/XS has uniform bezels all around.....no one has match that yet. And to avoid notches and pinholes, you have “sliders” and pop-up camera, which are about as stupid as it gets.....mechanical crap that will fail and where dirt collect and basically negates any waterproofing.

It seems like you buy into all of these “innovations” from Android OEMs without really doing much reading on them.
 
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But.....the ONLY two under screen fingerprint scanner technologies (optical and ultrasonic) are badly underwhelming in use......far worst than FaceID. Both have limitations that will be very hard to overcome.

Not sure...but notches are more attractive than pinholes...symmetry is easy on the eyes! S10 has notifications and other indicators pushed to one side. Remember, X/XS has uniform bezels all around.....no one has match that yet. And to avoid notches and pinholes, you have “sliders” and pop-up camera, which are about as stupid as it gets.....mechanical crap that will fail and where dirt collect and basically negates any waterproofing.

It seems like you buy into all of these “innovations” from Android OEMs without really doing much reading on them.
Yes, I like innovations and I like it when Apple take something and refine it.

They have done it before and they will do it again.

Normal finger print readers on android phones where awful until Apple came along and made Touch ID.

They WILL remove the notch one day and I'll be interested to see how they achieve that.
 

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I think one of the reasons they went the Face ID route was not necessarily because it was more secure but for them to do an edge to edge screen they needed to remove the Touch ID home button, Face ID was the solution.

Now the technology exists to have under screen finger print scanners, I'm sure they will refine the technology and re introduce it at some point so people have both options.

The problem apple now is that notches are becoming an obsolete style choice and most mobile phone makers flagship phones are gaining full screen edge to edge screens with no notch. I have read that there might be the technology to have cameras underneath the screen, but we'll see.
Face ID wasn't a solution it was evolution!

Apple could have easily saved themselves millions in R&D and put a form of Touch ID on the back of the iPhone - or on the power button to get an edge to edge screen but they didn't. What they did was release an as of yet unequalled form of bio-metric security in Face ID.

You can think or hope all you want but an under screen fingerprint scanner isn't going to happen. They're not that good any way, I've used the optical variant on a few of the top end androids and while they work, sometimes well, they lack consistency because of the incredibly small target press area.