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Could the iPhone be without the most important feature?

clevin said:
i guess my "may be, may not be" really irritate u then, lol, whatever.

i was just simply saying, if its separable, why cant u change it by yourself then?
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Nope... your post didn't irritate me, it just intrigued me.

The current iPod's battery is separable, in that it can be physically removed from the rest of the iPod and replaced if necessary. That doesn't neccessarilly make it user replacable.

For example, the CPU on a MBP is inseparable from the motherboard and is not replaceable. On the other hand the CPU on a Mac Pro is socketed, and therefore removable, but not without some tinkering, and not without voiding your warranty. Apple can certainly do it though, just as they will be able to change the battery out on the iPhone.

On that note here's the iPod battery replacement program: http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/service/battery/ . It costs $65 including shipping.
 
IMO the iPhone really is a jack of all trades, but masters of none.

It sucks as a phone, since you can't get good running life out of it, and this we all know for a fact. :rolleyes:
Again we know for a fact, that Steve has announced that third party applications for the iPhone will be not forthcoming :rolleyes:
It holds 8GB of songs and videos - smaller than a iPod with a hard drive, too bulky to use as an iPod that you carry with you when jogging, and God bless you when your battery runs out when you using it to watch videos.

It runs OSX, but so what? OSX-lite with its little stripped down set of applications, wow you make the Windows XP user playing with Calculator look good.

It is neither a good phone, nor a good PDA, nor a good flash memory iPod, nor a good iPod to carry your whole collection, nor is it a good video player.

What is it good for? "If you need it to work this it the phone for you?"
 
panoz7 said:
Nope... your post didn't irritate me, it just intrigued me.

The current iPod's battery is separable, in that it can be physically removed from the rest of the iPod and replaced if necessary. That doesn't neccessarilly make it user replacable.

For example, the CPU on a MBP is inseparable from the motherboard and is not replaceable. On the other hand the CPU on a Mac Pro is socketed, and therefore removable, but not without some tinkering, and not without voiding your warranty. Apple can certainly do it though, just as they will be able to change the battery out on the iPhone.

On that note here's the iPod battery replacement program: http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/service/battery/ . It costs $65 including shipping.
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oh, ok,
see, this is an interesting part, if only battery need to be replaced, why apple's program offer a refurbish iPod rather than a battery replacement?
 
iW00t said:
IMO the iPhone really is a jack of all trades, but masters of none.

It sucks as a phone, since you can't get good running life out of it, and this we all know for a fact. :rolleyes:
Again we know for a fact, that Steve has announced that third party applications for the iPhone will be not forthcoming :rolleyes:
It holds 8GB of songs and videos - smaller than a iPod with a hard drive, too bulky to use as an iPod that you carry with you when jogging, and God bless you when your battery runs out when you using it to watch videos.

It runs OSX, but so what? OSX-lite with its little stripped down set of applications, wow you make the Windows XP user playing with Calculator look good.

It is neither a good phone, nor a good PDA, nor a good flash memory iPod, nor a good iPod to carry your whole collection, nor is it a good video player.

What is it good for? "If you need it to work this it the phone for you?"
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Ok - well what product, then, do you recommend OVER the iPhone? I want some side-by-side comparisons with existing products :)
 
clevin said:
oh, ok,
see, this is an interesting part, if only battery need to be replaced, why apple's program offer a refurbish iPod rather than a battery replacement?
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It's quicker and cheaper. I'd imagine it costs too much to pay some worker in the US to fix the thing so they accumulate a whole lot of them and ship them off to china to have them replaced. Like I said earlier, it's definitely replaceable... i've done it myself.

By the way... this has nothing to do with whether or not the iPhone's non-user-replacable battery is a good idea or not. I'm reserving my opinion on that till later. I just wanted it to be clear that if the iPhone is like the iPod the battery will be possible to replace at an affordable price.
 
panoz7 said:
It's quicker and cheaper. I'd imagine it costs too much to pay some worker in the US to fix the thing so they accumulate a whole lot of them and ship them off to china to have them replaced. Like I said earlier, it's definitely replaceable... i've done it myself.

By the way... this has nothing to do with whether or not the iPhone's non-user-replacable battery is a good idea or not. I'm reserving my opinion on that till later. I just wanted it to be clear that if the iPhone is like the iPod the battery will be possible to replace at an affordable price.
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see, the thing about a phone is

can you be without it for 4 days?
 
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
Ok - well what product, then, do you recommend OVER the iPhone? I want some side-by-side comparisons with existing products :)
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You are making it sound like the iphone is the best phone ever?
Is it because of the cripple Mac os Lite?

What is so special about it? a couple of widgets?
Depeding on the phone you currently have of course the iPhone is a major upgrade speaking of course assuming that you have none smartphone or pda.

Overall the iPhone is everything you want but falls short of being the one device to rule them all.

Re-inventing?

p.s clevin from what i been reading yeah i think some apple users can be without the phone
time to me equals money and me not having a phone mens not eating.
 
Right of course but due to all this information regarding the battery and block against any third-party applications, then whats the big deal? Phones, a lot of freaking phones are in the 200 to 400 dollar range. So why now? Why have all this controversy 5 months before the initial release of this product. How is this offending people...I mean, we have Windows mobile and the Palm OS. The two main operating systems in the smartphone generation that. I mean overlooking Sony's OS and Linux variations. Why now....Smartphones are very expensive without a contract, so why now...Is it because your expectations for Apple are making this such a big argument? Your Treo's and Windows Smartphones do have applications, and you know what...if there is somethign that you must have that Apple doesn't supply, then more power to you to go with them. But Apple is changing it up. They are adding music, video, internet, and other core features, that are and will be evolving very quickly.

So within this controversy. A Removable battery...lacking applications...insufficient support...and a very expensive price tag...I know that this can be a load of stuff that just isn't worth it. But its an approach, and its the first step. Palm when they first came out...were horrible...and built up. But has Apple ever let any person down. Job's knows what he is getting into...and this going on right now. He isn't caring what we are saying. He knows what we want, and knows what he needs to do to get the market share and costumers to love the product.
 
uNext said:
I live in miami florida EARTH is the worlds name
and i highly doubt they will have lenders for you.
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_every_ time I have had trouble with cell phones (and that is quite constant, and the reason why I won't pay more than $25 for a phone) I have been given a loaner phone while it was being investigated.

However I have never seen loaner laptops -- why do you think your experience with a _laptop_ would coincide with future policy on a _cell phone_? Cell phones are meant to be switched -- pop sim card out of old phone, pop into new phone -- total time less than 30 seconds. Laptops aren't nearly as easy.

As for what to do if your battery dies, its been confirmed that iPod accessories work, so there are replaceable / external battery packs., and one can be certain that within 2 months of launch there will be versions of this that will fit perfectly with the iPhone form factor.

That should cover emergency travel situations until you hit a charger socket. Of course whether an EOL'd battery can be replaced is to be determined, but since there are replacement programs for iPod batteries, in the absence of information to the contrary one is left to assume the new iPods will be the same.
 
I dont know about everyone else, but whenever I get a new phone, I keep my old one for emergency use. So lets say, in the unlikely event that my battery does "die" on my iPhone... pop out the sim card and it goes into one of my other phones. DONE. I do agree with the other people in that Im sure it will be just like an ipod... take it to the Apple store and they replace it there.

Its still too early to be bitching about all this. No one knows anything and everything is speculation. They are logical solutions to every problem, and I think Apple knows this.

And yea, Ill be in the line the day the phone released at the 5th Ave store. :D
 
iW00t said:
With a backup battery simply open your briefcase
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See, Apple is not aiming this phone at people who have "briefcases". From the stuff I've seen it's an 'i' device. Like imac, ipod etc etc. not a pro.

OK the price is contrary to that but honestly how many threads does there need to be about people not wanting to buy the phone. Who cares? It's likely to be a success and if this one isn't then the next version will be. If you want one cool if not go and buy something else. It _is_ that simple.

Ths makes for interesting watching doesn't it? People are taking this way too seriously.
 
iW00t said:
IMO the iPhone really is a jack of all trades, but masters of none.

It sucks as a phone, since you can't get good running life out of it, and this we all know for a fact. :rolleyes:
Again we know for a fact, that Steve has announced that third party applications for the iPhone will be not forthcoming :rolleyes:
It holds 8GB of songs and videos - smaller than a iPod with a hard drive, too bulky to use as an iPod that you carry with you when jogging, and God bless you when your battery runs out when you using it to watch videos.

It runs OSX, but so what? OSX-lite with its little stripped down set of applications, wow you make the Windows XP user playing with Calculator look good.

It is neither a good phone, nor a good PDA, nor a good flash memory iPod, nor a good iPod to carry your whole collection, nor is it a good video player.

What is it good for? "If you need it to work this it the phone for you?"
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So, can you back your claims up with any facts or are they just fabricated?

I mean, we all can seem like experts but to my best guesstimate you do not know squat about this phone. You do not own it, have not tried it and it is not released yet.
 
man, the iphone got unext's panties all in a bunch.

chill out dude.

the phone features itself are awesome. im so sick of having to go through a 5 minute process to hear one voicemail, so this visual voicemail alone skyrockets the phone features.

either way its too expensive for me, but thats the only thing holding me back.
 
iW00t said:
It doesn't even have a ****ing battery. Deliberate planned obsolence in the name of "look! no seams!" Jonathan-****ing-Ives design.

I am so going to laugh when it fails.
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Why would it fail if it doesn't need to be plugged in or have a battery? or do you mean that it doesn't have a replaceable battery?
 
Only thing I have to say is you gotta realize that this is just the first edition, and likely there are going to be a couple things added before this thing hits in June. They announced the iTv, then made some changes before they released it right? Granted, i dont think the Cisco problem will make them change the name, but still, this seems like a logical reason they released the iPhone now, so people would jabber about it and discuss what specific little things they wanted, like the first post here, a vibrate feature. If the things that are being discussed now dont make it to the first iPhone, I would bet my left big toe that Apple is smart enough to get someone to read all these posts to see what we want, and put them in, like the battery that keeps coming too mind in this thread. Boomshakalaka.
 
uNext said:
I live in miami florida EARTH is the worlds name
and i highly doubt they will have lenders for you.
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When my phone broke Carphone Warehouse did it, it's standard service, I would expect a loaner phone. And vibrate would an essential feature, no vibrate, no iPhone.

Apple should do it with their computers too, even if they make a nominal charge, (possibly for data transfer or something...), it'd make great customer care.
 
I'm sure apple could come up with a better vibrate mode than the crude efforts in most phones.

It's just a piezeo electric motor, they even have them in disposable tooth brushes and razors so it shouldn't be to much effort to add one. It probably will have one and this was a proto 6 months from launch so they may not have bothered to add it for the demo.

Demo of vibration mode - "isn't that cool" assembled crowd stare at each other in disbelief. Steve show us the scroll again, not vibrate.

My crappy nokia 6280 (I'm honestly on my third as it keeps crashing and the rubbish mp3 player keeps resetting, still doesn't work) LOOKS like it doesn't have a replaceable battery, where the battery cover is there is a camera lens and the flash. You just unclip it.

It could be the same construction on iphone.

But have you ever tried buying a new battery for a phone?? The last two phones I had had obsoleted batteries so I couldn't replace it anyway. Its a deliberate policy by the phone makers, they want you to buy the latest model, not keep last years going. Just go and see if you can order a battery for a phone more than three years old.

No this thing can do no wrong in my book
 
I'd love to know if it has vibrate too.

I had the Nokia 9000, 9100, 9200, 9500 communicators. At the time, they were the best phones for deaf people, with keyboard, fax, basic email, basic relay service etc. They were expensive, high end corporate smartphones.

None of them had vibrate! Arrgh!

I'm never ever buying a phone without vibrate again.

If the iPhone has no vibrate, I'm not getting it, and thats that.

I find the lack of a mention of vibrate in the specs rather disturbing.

Many PDAs, Palms, iPaqs etc don't have vibrate either, and this could be where Apple is getting their cue from.
 
I can't really say that I want a vibrate feature on my phone. I find it to be just as distracting and annoying as a ring when it's supposed to be silent. I've had phones that claimed that vibrate was the silent feature and that's just dumb. Let it either ring or be silent. Vibrate is just another annoying feature.
 
iWoot, can I join in on your time machine fun, where you've jumped ahead to when this has actually been released and been able to determine all these things that no one else knows yet? Seriously dude, it's not even out, and frankly you, like everyone else here, have no idea whether what you're saying is true or not, and the likelyhood of Apple making mistakes like you claim they will is pretty low. They've done their research, they'll make this work. It may not be the be-all-end-all of phones, but it'll be the best phone in its class out there, if there can truly be said to be any in its class.

Remember the iPod...

jW
 
Vibration alarm would be a necessary feature for me. At least unless Apple developed something completely different for the same purpose.
 
Pressure said:
So, can you back your claims up with any facts or are they just fabricated?

I mean, we all can seem like experts but to my best guesstimate you do not know squat about this phone. You do not own it, have not tried it and it is not released yet.
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Do you know anything about the phone though? No, so kind of self-contradictory post there.

And he's right. The iPhone appears to be attempting to be a jack-of-all-trades, but fails to do any particular one very well at all.

BUT

There are better phones? Yes
There are better iPods? Yes
There are better video players? Yes
There are better mobile internet stuff? Yes

Is there anything thats all these in one? No

Will the iPhone work as an all-in-one? Lets just wait and see....


Enough speculating already....
 
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