Couple of Questions

Discussion in 'Buying Tips and Advice' started by Nyi28nhl, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. Nyi28nhl macrumors newbie

    Mar 10, 2007
    Just for some background, I'm currently a high school senior. I plan to get a new laptop for college, which starts in August, but I'd also like to have the laptop before I move to college to be able to have it all set up and already be comfortable with it - as well as be able to transfer files from my desktop to it (mainly music files).

    Laptop-wise, I already know I'm going to get a Mac. However, I'm unsure whether MacBook or MacBook Pro is a better choice for me. I'm not much of a gamer, but other than school related stuff and internet use my primary use for it will be graphic design (I'm a big photoshop user). I also plan on possibly using the MacBook to edit videos, and create a website. Other than that, I'd like to be able to play DVDs on the laptop, as well as burn them. Finally, I'd like to be able to run Windows on it as well. I've heard that the MacBooks will automatically come with Boot Camp on it, but I'll probably be purchasing Parallels as well.

    1) What laptop do you suggest for me: MacBook or MacBook Pro?

    2) Any idea on how long I'll have to wait to get a MacBook (Pro) with Leopard on it?

    3) Will Boot Camp or Parallels be able to work with Vista?

    4) What exactly is Santa Rosa?
  2. TheAnswer macrumors 68030


    Jan 25, 2002
    Orange County, CA
    They're answered out of order, but here it goes...

    4) Santa Rosa is a chipset that will boost certain features in the portables (and all computers that use it). See the wikipedia entry here for clarification.

    2) Leopard will be available on the portables as soon as it is released, probably in mid-June. If your Mac doesn't come with it installed at that time, they will either give you a Leopard install disc or a voucher to send away for it.

    1) Since you are heavy into Photoshop and moving towards video...I'm guessing you'd appreciate the extra room for growth you'd get out of the Pro. If you plan on taking it to class, get the 15" and plan on saving for a bigger monitor if you feel you need it later.
  3. Erasmus macrumors 68030


    Jun 22, 2006
    Hiding from Omnius in Australia
    All versions of Vista work with Boot Camp.

    Only I think Ultimate, and Business work in Parallels. This is because Microsoft doesn't want you running their precious operating system in ways that could make it easier to get a virus, ie. running through virtualisation (WTF is the connection? I don't have a clue!). That basically means Microsoft likes to screw with Apple customers, who of course should not have bought a Mac, so they could control what operating system you use.

    I agree, MBP is worth it if you are using Photoshop. List here half dozen reasons why MBP is better than MB. However, it is all up to you whether you think the better machine is worth the extra dough.

    Oh, and MacRumour's Wikipedia Guides are your friend. Certainly much more user friendly than Google, although it does seem to often get filled with crap. That goes for everyone who will no doubt post questions without reading this post, and so won't know to use the MacRumours Guides first. Dammit. Well, at least this time people can spell "Santa Rosa". Nothing beats "Waiting for Memron" (ROFLMAO)
  4. djstarrock macrumors 6502a


    Nov 23, 2006
    UK, Scotland, Glasgow
    I would say the MacBook, Photoshop doesn't really use gpu its uses cpu and alot of ram, so if you get the MacBook get 2 gigs.
  5. skubish macrumors 68030


    Feb 2, 2005
    Ann Arbor, Michigan
    You could get by with a MB but I would get the MBP if you can afford it.
    1. A MB can really slow down if you are using it to make presentations.
    2. 2GB RAM is really the minimum to run Parallels. (2GB is the max in a MB, 3GB RAM in MBP.
    3. The dedicated video chip/ram helps out a lot with performance. The shared ram for the MB just kills it.

    I would try to wait until summer to see if Leopard is released and also Apple typically and an ipod/Mac deal for students.
  6. smueboy macrumors 6502a


    Oct 30, 2006
    It sounds like you could get away with a MB, but if you can afford it you may prefer the performance of a MBP for photo work etc. You'll probably get more life out of a MBP too. As for Leopard, buy your computer when it comes out in june/july. There may even be an update to the MBPs by August too.
  7. Nyi28nhl thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 10, 2007
    Thanks for the quick replies.

    Hmmm, I'll have to look into the RAM differences between MBP and MB prior, as well as the price difference with the student discount.

    Another question:

    Black or White?

    EDIT: I looked into the student discount's from each of the college's I applied to - every one of them just took $100 dollars off the price, does that sound about right?

    Also, will Boot Camp come on both MB and MBP?

    Will Apple release Leopard w/ Boot Camp and Vista on MBP months before releasing it on MB as a marketing ploy?
  8. polevault139 macrumors 6502

    Sep 24, 2006
    Don't waste your money of features you don't need. From the sounds of it you don't use too many GPU intensive programs. My friends Macbook CD 1.83 can run Photoshop CS3 Beta really good, and he can run CS2 fine, just a little slow under Rosetta. The money you save could be put towords a new computer a few years down the road.

    The Macbook is also more user servicable, becuase you have easy access to the hard drive if you ever wanted to change it. So my vote goes for the Macbook.

    I think Bootcamp is supposed to come with all Macs with Leopard, right now you have to get it from Apples web site. The MBP and the MB should see the update at the same time.

    There is a thread called the Macbook Appreciation Thread, you should take a look at that and dont listen to all of the people who are saying you need a MBP, from my perspective it looks like too many people are buying more than they need. The MB will be only a little bit slower than the MBP for you just because of the clockspeed.

    Sorry for the long post I just get mad when people are ignorant and think if you do anything other than surf the internet you need a MBP.
  9. Nyi28nhl thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 10, 2007

    Wasn't too long, and was very helpful ;)

    From the looks of it, I'm leaning towards MB right now simply because I don't see much of a use for the extra stuff a MBP comes with. The video editing thing also is me being ambitious, and probably won't be very serious (good chance it might not ever happen too).

    What are some suggestions as to upgrades with buying one?

    It comes with 1 GB of RAM (2 x 512 MB). Would I be smart in upgrading to 2 GB of RAM (2 x 1 GB) or would I just be wasting money? Photoshop, Text Documents, iTunes, Web Surfing, and downloading will serve as the primary uses of the laptop. Will I see a big difference in performance speed with 2GB versus 1 GB? My current desktop is running XP off of 512 MB of RAM and can be painfully slow sometimes if I have Photoshop or another program running in the background. To upgrade to 2 GB of RAM, it would add roughly $175 to the price (unless the student discount helps here as well).

    Hard Drive wise, it comes with an 80 GB HD. To upgrade to a 120 GB HD would be an extra $150 (Student discount pending). I know more space = better and I'll hear responses like "You'll be happier in the long run" but will I actually need the extra 40 GB? I've never actually owned a Mac, so I'm not sure how easy/hard it is to fill a HD with one. On my desktop here I have an 80 GB HD, but Windows files takes almost 10% of that, and I have about 30 GB in other files. BUT, I also recently cleaned out my desktop and reset it clean (about 4 months ago) - not for storage issues, but Spyware/Virus issues. Also, I plan on running Boot Camp as I've previously said, so I assume that as well has having two Operating Systems installed will take up some GB.

    P.S. Thanks for all the help thus far.
  10. smueboy macrumors 6502a


    Oct 30, 2006
    If you are leaning toward the MB, then yes i would upgrade the RAM and the HD - both will increase the performance and life of the machine. My old PB performed very well longer than i would have expected, due in big part to the 100GB HD and 1GB RAM i installed. It's very easy to fill an 80GB drive these days, and i expect more RAM usage by programs in the very near future.

  11. polevault139 macrumors 6502

    Sep 24, 2006
    Get the 2GB of RAM and the 120 is a good size. I will be purchasing a Macbook around June or July and will need to run bootcamp, so I was thinking of making the bootcamp partition 30GB and have 90GB for the OS X side. If you break up the 80GB drive you will see your space disappear quickly
  12. suneohair macrumors 68020


    Aug 27, 2006
    Go 160GB aftermarket, you will save some serious cash. For the price of the 120GB upgrade, you can get a 160GB and use the 80GB as an external drive. Giving you 240GB of space as opposed to just 120GB, thats doubles :)

    Upgrading the drive is cake, I would go with the Hitachi 5k160 which you can get for under $130 these days.

    Go with white, unless you really like the black. I personally don't, but even if I did I would rather save the $200 bucks for other things.
  13. Nyi28nhl thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 10, 2007
    Exactly how easy is it? I'm not really experienced handling hardware, and this would be my first ever project where I'd have to open up the computer. I want to make sure I won't break anything...

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