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It sounds like Apple is using children as an excuse to SPY on us. Just drop it Apple.
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Craig Federighi Acknowledges Confusion Around Apple Child Safety Features and Explains New Details About Safeguards
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It isn't necessarily THIS system; it is the precedent that it sets for other systems. That is the point that Apple seems to be missing.
Darth Tulhu
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Thanks Craig, for that wonderfully detailed and clear explanation on how you are STILL going to be violating my privacy by looking at my data.
I really think Apple needs to focus on building great products and less on this "protect the children" stuff. Scan whatever you like once it's on your own servers, your own property. Stay out of our devices we purchase from you.
I wouldn't want to be one of the people who have to compile the original images to have the system compare everyone's images to.
Craig......if you want to come across with a bit more credibility, either dye your hair or eyebrows....
Apple isn’t getting the very clear message that is being sent by its users. We don’t want our phones scanned for any reason, and the reason why we use Apple products is because of their earlier claims about privacy. If they sacrifice that, many will not upgrade to iOS 15 and will possibly go elsewhere.
The main goal is to make sure Apple doesn’t get CSAM on its servers, so i don’t know why Apple doesn’t just do what Google, Facebook, etc do and just scan the photos in the cloud. That way if you don’t use iCloud, your stuff never gets scanned on device or off device.
Darth Tulhu
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I don't agree with this concept either.
A banker cannot look in my safety deposit box, even if it is stored in the bank.
This is exactly the same thing (in my mind at least).
That's what privacy means. You either have it or you don't.
Turns out, we don't, no matter what Apple says. Oh well.
Apple has security researchers up their ass dissecting every single new thing every Apple device and software update does internally and how it communicates. Of course there is truth to that.
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autrefois
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“We promise not to use it for anything else” isn’t good enough when the privacy of more than a billion (with a b) devices is at stake, and you’ve got governments around the world (including the US) who abuse privacy rights and sometimes force companies to assist them in doing so.
The last of my PC components arrives today. Later this weekend my i7 Mac Mini will be for sale.
Sorry Apple, you've completely lost all my trust. The movie 1984 was not an instruction manual.
Sorry Apple, you've completely lost all my trust. The movie 1984 was not an instruction manual.
Because people grasp on to sensationalized headlines with everything. As with most things if anyone bothered to dig deeper and use an ounce of critical thinking, things are much more complex.
Oh, well I feel much better about this, now. Thanks for laying my fears to rest, Craig!
Either they are fools or they think we are. Audited by whom? Audited for what? Who audits the auditors? And if the CCP demands that Apple start using this technology nefariously or face being blocked from the Chinese market (which is well over $50 billion in annual revenue for Apple), am I supposed to believe that Tim Cook would say no? Perhaps Craig means the auditors will help to ensure dissidents only get shot once instead of by an entire firing squad.
I suspect that the only lesson Apple will take from this is that in the future, they should simply silently spy on their customers instead of trying to dress up dangerous technology as somehow being good for all of us.
I agree. And if your bank really pisses you off, put a frozen fish in your safety deposit box.
The more Apple keeps trying to downgrade what they are doing, the more concerning it is. They keep trying to make it sound like the general public has nothing to worry about all while making it sound like it’s less likely to protect kids. Which makes me question why they are even doing it.
Requiring two distinct jurisdictions doesn't sound good enough to me. I'm sure China and Russia would be happy to work together to compromise the system to work for them.
This sounds like something Apple shouldn't be involved in at all in the first place. One thing that might change my mind is if Apple can point to data that shows that Apple is responsible for a major increase in the amount of child trafficking that goes on, then maybe it's reasonable for Apple to be involved in fixing the issue since they're responsible in some way for causing it. IDK if Apple spreading cheap internet connected cameras everywhere maybe made it a more profitable crime and so there was an uptick in suffering in the world.
There’s no confusion. It’s spyware; software I can’t control, scanning systems I own, on data I own, that regardless if it’s a true positive or a false positive will be used to harm me. That’s literally spyware.
We could have done mandatory cryptographic hash matching of terrorists names, emails, and phone numbers on user systems after 9/11, but that’s in compatible with a free society. So is this. Why isn’t the issue, nor is the technical implementation. At it’s core, this is unethical software.
We could have done mandatory cryptographic hash matching of terrorists names, emails, and phone numbers on user systems after 9/11, but that’s in compatible with a free society. So is this. Why isn’t the issue, nor is the technical implementation. At it’s core, this is unethical software.
How can you trust Apple to not do the right thing about the iCloud backup feature?
What's stopping Apple from secretly turning iCloud backup on and providing almost everything on your phone to a government?
The gaslighting is a PR strategy, and not a subtle one.
They are attempting to conjoin something no one really cared with the issue so they can temper the discussion.
They sent Federighi to the WSJ so that the investor community can have a soundbite to repeat to each other that avoids the issue. "People got confused!" (read in a Jim Cramer voice)
It won't work and it puts a very important person at Apple in a position to tarnish his credibility.
Stella Low is not up for this moment and will lose her job before this is over.
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Apple is upto something. This whole CSAM needs to be shut down.
The gaslighting is a PR strategy, and not a subtle one.
They are attempting to conjoin something no one really cared with the issue so they can temper the discussion.
They sent Federighi to the WSJ so that the investor community can have a soundbite to repeat to each other that avoids the issue. "People got confused!" (read in a Jim Cramer voice)
It won't work and it puts a very important person at Apple in a position to tarnish his credibility.
Stella Low is not up for this moment and will lose her job before this is over.
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I really repel the argument 'the technology and implementation forbids and transcends bad faith actors no matter what we are talking about.
No it simply does not. No amount of high level white papers can erode that basic realization. One's intentions will always supersede the technology itself. Like 'oh its the algorithm not individuals intervening' for example.. yeah but a human created the algorithm it's not this autonomous mutually exclusive entity that descended from the sky.
Seems Apple's having lots of internal dissent too, not exactly confidence instilling:
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/13/apple-employees-concerns-over-csam/
This doesn't seem like their year.
They are targeting all Apple users systematically, and all Apple users in America specifically. An American company that treats all their users like sickos by default, until proven otherwise. I find that totally reprehensible after giving it careful thought before reaching a conclusion.
Hate to exhume the old tired statement, but Steve is literally rolling in his grave.
I also suspect we won't get any raw numbers in how many sickos this has actually exposed over time, that will remain confidential -- which would add SOME credibility to the effectiveness of their new approach, but maybe not enough to convince people Apple is still privacy centric
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