I'm not sure I believe that statement. Touch Id on the touchbar macbook allows you to sign into different user accounts so obviously the technolgy was meant to be for multiple users
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Craig Federighi: Apple Focused on Single-User Face ID, Touch ID Was Never Intended for Multiple Users
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I’m not sure exactly what you mean by this... why would you need two accounts for two people for Touch ID? You can add a bunch of fingerprints. I have my fingerprint recognized on my daughter’s iPad.
We also rely on cross saving of family fingerprints on our devices in case of incapacitation of the device’s user.
It just bad and stupid. Unworldly. My parents use an iPad on their boat to navigate. Of course both want to unlock the device.
Because it’s not iOS and thus has jack to do with this conversation? Maybe? Just a thought? Yeah.
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Post-PC. post means “after”, not “replacement”. as jobs said, some people need trucks, most people need cars. there was no multiuser support in the original Macintosh but it was still a PC. Oops.
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What’s stopping you from getting a knockoff brand? Must be just better because open, right? Which of the knockoffs support multiple faces in their 3D face authentication scanners? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I registered 4 of my own fingers while using TouchID. One for each index finger and thumb. Left the last registered for my GF so she could easily access my phone when needed. Miss this a lot with FaceID.
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The struggle is all too real sometimes!
THIS IS TOTALLY MISGUIDED AND WRONG ADVICE!
You should keep your password complex for greater security. Suggesting to weaken your password because Apple didn't think through the FaceID features is insane.
OP hit the nail on the head.
Many of us are required by our employers to install profiles that require long passcodes (or to use Touch ID/Face ID). It's a real issue.
Definitely workable, but from Apple's perspective, unless there was a major public outcry over the current direction with device/account verification, Apple can't realistically be expected to encourage or actively enable people to share phones or computing devices, that just makes no business sense.
It also defies the current trend going in the opposite direction where rather than multiple people sharing one device, many individuals own and actively use, several devices.
For those who for whatever reason must share devices, there's always Passcode.
Effective, since there would no way to tell if a finger belongs to the same person, u can register 4 other people's fingers, and share your Iphone round
I guess Apple could have used some verification in there to detect fingerprints belong to same person... That can be done. But they didn't ..
Perhaps, it *was* never intended, but that doesn't mean its not possible
I guess Apple could have used some verification in there to detect fingerprints belong to same person... That can be done. But they didn't ..
Perhaps, it *was* never intended, but that doesn't mean its not possible
Well, that’s not the discussion point but simply a reply my 3 year old child would have given. So to answer it - maybe because it‘s providing 50 other new features I like and want to benefit from? My point was that it removes some convenience and flexibility if you operate and administrate more than one iPhone within your family for example. This is a step back in this regards.
50 steps forward and one back
But seriously, it would be nice to know if multiple faces will be supported at some point. Right now, there are apparently no (disclosable) plans to do so, but neither has future support been ruled out.
If they do add support for this, I wonder if it will just be a software update? Or will it require updated hardware like a more powerful neural processor or larger Secure Enclave, such that it would only be available on some future model? That would also be nice to know.
Since its release, when it became known that FaceID would work with only one face, I always assumed support for multiple faces would come at some point. I’m going to continue to hold out hope, since Federighi could have nixed the idea and stopped months/years of speculation dead in its tracks.
Hopefully, everyone who would like the feature will make their wishes known at https://www.apple.com/feedback/ instead of just bitching on Internet forums. (Not directed at you personally.)
50 steps forward and one back
But seriously, it would be nice to know if multiple faces will be supported at some point. Right now, there are apparently no (disclosable) plans to do so, but neither has future support been ruled out.
If they do add support for this, I wonder if it will just be a software update? Or will it require updated hardware like a more powerful neural processor or larger Secure Enclave, such that it would only be available on some future model? That would also be nice to know.
Since its release, when it became known that FaceID would work with only one face, I always assumed support for multiple faces would come at some point. I’m going to continue to hold out hope, since Federighi could have nixed the idea and stopped months/years of speculation dead in its tracks.
Hopefully, everyone who would like the feature will make their wishes known at https://www.apple.com/feedback/ instead of just bitching on Internet forums. (Not directed at you personally.)
If the hardware at all is powerful enough to support several IDs at all is quite a good thought. I suppose Apple wouldn’t have added this restriction without a severe reason.
No doubt they wanted to nail single user first, so it’s certainly possible they just haven’t gotten to it yet. If I had to guess I’d say the hardware is capable.
I’ve also heard people say FaceID doesn’t work in landscape, which would seem rather easy to implement in software.
Anyway, I do think there will be improvements to FaceID via software updates; hopefully multiple face support could be one of those.
Not married yet, but my partner and I know each other’s 6 digit passcode, have each other’s fingerprint in our phones and use Find My Friends.
If you just set a 6 digit passcode, what’s the big deal? Are you really constantly in situations where you’re afraid a thief or criminal is going to steal your phone and guess the 6 digit code? Or are you constantly worried about someone seeing the code?
Remembering my partner’s 6 digit code is easy especially when you just make it be a name.
And what happens when the phone require’s the passcode to enable Touch ID?
I get what you’re saying, but you just gotta make do with what we’ve got.
So.......why can't you or your wife just hold the phone while the other glances at the screen? And for the relatively infrequent times the other will be using the other's phone, is it really too much to ask to tap 4-6 digits......Seriously??
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Can't your kid just hold the phone up to your face, or can't you do that prior to giving it to the kid? Are you giving them your PIN number now or do you enter it prior to giving it to them? Same thing. There is no problem here, folks!
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Personally, I don't know any married couples who use each other's phones without the other one present, hence brief glance at the phone. Furthermore, I don't know any married couples who want the other to have access to their phones. In fact, most married couples see it as a sign of trust that their significant other doesn't want to get into their phones to spy on them or see what they are up to. I am hearing that you all are out there, but doubt that they are in the majority.
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I was thinking that even if I were in the hospital, or, God forbid, dead, that my finger could still touch my phone or iPad for access to my devices
[doublepost=1512233130][/doublepost]Personally, I would be less likely to purchase a device with facial recognition for multiple users. I think that software would be much easier to hack with less security for the primary user. I love the feature, but do not want the privacy or security of my iPhone jeopardized in any way.
I think many of us find that we are keeping increasingly critical and sensitive information on our iPhones, in particular, that we do not want seen, much less shared. A computer has Guest options and individual file security. An iPad used for games can have limited sharing options enabled. Our phone have begun to store our lives, essentially.
With another user allowed on a phone, even a much loved family member can become vindictive e.g., a teenager can get angry, chemically impaired, disgruntled and a spouse can change if they have been cheated on or decide to get a divorce. Private health/psychiatric information; Financial assets; Pharmaceutical information, etc. can be used to ruin someone's life. Single authentication isn't just for convenience or games, it is there to provide personal and financial security for the individual iPhone user.
I think you confuse "meant" with "able". Multi-user ability with TouchID was an unavoidable side-effect of it being able to register more than one finger. As it has been said a dozen times already, macOS had multi-user capability since the inception of OS X (it also has fast user switching). Allowing different fingers to be linked to different accounts, was the obvious thing to do. iOS doesn't have any multi-user features outside of managed devices. Thus when TouchID was developed for the iPhone 5s in 2013, multi-user capability of TouchID wasn't really a goal.
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For two people to truly share a personal device (with personal email, messaging, etc.), you'd want a way to keep that personal information ... personal. Giving another person access for oversight, convenience or tech support is a different scenario in that this second person will access the device much less frequently than the primary user (and thus having to use the passcode is less of an imposition).
An iPad might be shared in a family, but would you want everybody in your family to have access to all your information stored on an iOS device? With children, up to a certain point, giving parents full access can be useful and justified. But that wouldn't work the other way. That family iPad certainly wouldn't have your personal email on it if your children have access to it. While a lot of things can be authenticated separately (eg, email), iMessages for example are linked to an iCloud/AppleID account. Which means that family iPad might need its own AppleID, which requires separate app buying, separate iTunes Store media purchases or Apple Music account. And therefore, many things linked to a (personal) AppleID cannot be accessed on it.
Family Sharing does address some of those points and it can be seen as a precursor to a multi-user iOS. In fact, extending Family Sharing could lead to a multi-user iOS that makes a lot of use of shared resources. This would be fine for, eg, movies but already something like Apple Music would need to be completely personalised.
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I'm not sure how reliably that can be done. There are certainly factors that can be used to differentiate between different persons from general finger size and shape to how worn out the skin is.
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Exactly. It might have become less frequent, but iOS still requires the passcode from time to time, thus if you want to have another person to able to use the device, you need to give them the passcode as well (on top of letting them register one of their fingers). And at this point, being able add biometrics for a second person is only about convenience, not access. And in the overwhelming number of cases, the second person will access the device much less frequently than the primary user, making the inconvenience of having to use the passcode much less burdensome.
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Yeah, of course, didn't think it through. Sure, whenever somebody makes a decision you disagree with, they didn't think it through. Only possible explanation.
And complexity on the device passcode is significantly less important than for account passwords. Simply because any normal person only has a limited number of tries before the device gets locked down. With account passwords it's much easier to get into situations where the attacker can try a large number of passwords.
Meh. How “long/complex” does an unlock code need to be? With Apple’s time lockouts, even a four digit code is sufficient for most, and quite quick and easy to enter to boot. Apple has sold and marketed these devices as “personal” devices. Don’t like Face ID? Buy an 8. Yeah, the emailer shouldn’t “have to” give up the OLED, et.al. in order to retain Touch ID, but that’s like being upset that your preferred new car no longer has a tape deck, and you must buy the budget car your prefered auto maker manufactures in order to keep said tape deck. Not that the emailer is wrong in any way. It’s just … that’s how it is.
I'm not arguing how difficult it is to remember 6 numbers, I'm arguing that there is a convenient to using Face ID where my spouse and I can both access the phone. I really don't know what the argument is about. It's more convenient and secure to use face ID and I wish apple would have allowed multiple faces to unlock a device. That's it. I know all of the ways the alternative is possible, my argument is that it would have been nice for apple to continue that convenience (even thought it wasn't originally intended with Touch ID) with Face ID. I am making do with what I have, but I'm in defense of the original email and find it funny how so many are trying to defend that it's unnecessary. Is it because it's apple and they can't do anything wrong? I don't know. Oh well. I've said all I can on this matter. haha