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There was something you could write in Ink, something like "what is Rosetta" and it would give you some secret answer, which was the same secret answer it would give you on the Newton. That's how people knew Ink was just reused Newton code. But none of this is that complicated, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to give us back what we had on a device um... 25 years ago.
Exactly. My Newton worked really well for handwriting recognition. Better than the Palm Pilot. Why it took two decades to circle back to this old tech is beyond me.....
 
That sounds like an opportunity for you to create that in an app
Chinese handwriting recognition should be very east because it requires a set of numbered strokes done in a specific order to write a traditional character (Thank you, my Chinese 101 professor in college..)
 
It easy to say, you English speaking (and writing) people, but lack of Spanish, French, and other common languages makes it completely unusable.

And please, don't say it "recognize" Spanish with English keyboard. Not accents, not ñ and if there is a near misstyped in English language, it changes. For example, "culo" (bottom, butt), is converted in "cult".

woah... culo means butt in spanish? it means that in my mother tongue - gujarati - too! Language is so beautifully, weirdly interconnected.
 
Handwriting recognition has been around for a while, but I think this is a great example of one of the things that Apple does best: they take something complex, refine it, and make it simple and intuitive for the end-user.
 
woah... culo means butt in spanish? it means that in my mother tongue - gujarati - too! Language is so beautifully, weirdly interconnected.
Indeed! Be careful throwing around new Spanish terms, though. It is such a widely spoken language that some words (like culo or guey) that are normal in some cultures would be considered very foul language to people from another country! (AMHIK)
 
Actually I think they intend for an iPad to be the companion device. As in Sidecar.

Agree touch screen/pencil is very unlikely on Mac. The light pen interface was investigated in the 70s, maybe the 60s, and though absolute cursor positioning has its advantages compared to relative positioning, “gorilla arm” is real. It’s very fatiguing, as you say.
“Gorilla Arm” is only a thing if you assume that touch is the primary interaction mode. That may be true of a Surface that has no trackpad, but in the Windows laptop with touchscreen that I have used, it made sense to switch back and fourth between trackpad, touch screen, and keyboard depending on the task. If Apple added touch to its laptops, I doubt that they would remove the touchpad. I currently use an iPad with a keyboard cover and a mouse. I use all three input modes each day.
 
This seems very Newton-esque with the scratch erase as well. I totally remember that from my Newton in the early 90's. Not sure why the iPad has not had this scribble feature since the pencil came out.
 
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First I thought it was broken because it kept converting 90% of my words wrong, no matter how "nice" I wrote them..

Then scribbled something in English that I could hardly read myself and it worked like charm..

Guess it will be a few more years before this will be useful..

I wrote iOS 14 several times as perfect as can be handwritten, and each time it spit out "LOS14" or "IOSIP" or some other weird crap. Even when it works it screws up a third of the words, and if something like this isn't near-perfect it is useless because you'll spend more time fixing.
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".....,you can use an ‌Apple Pencil‌ to write in any text field, and the written text is then converted to typed text.."

You mean like my Newton from 15 yers ago ???

What's your point? Are they not allowed to reuse functionality if it's older than a certain age? Is there an expiration date?
 
I have been a hardcore user of Surface devices (from Surface 1 to 4, then I got tired of that crap) and it is very fatigue-tired to use pencil in screen in a laptop. You end with your arm very tired. I don't expect Apple will release MAC with touch-screen.

What they could release is a "handwritting" pad at keyboard side or with a new "magic unicorn" trackpad. (Said that, sometimes I've handwritten in a trackpad -it is not much reliable but can be done).
The track pad on macs is so huge. Why not make the pencil support work on that
 
I was most excited by this feature coming to IpadOS14 (I was never on the betas), and it was basically the only thing of note to come to iPad in this yearly update. It has potential, but its just not there yet.

If you can get it to recognize every word perfectly, then it’s very cool. But more often, it will be about 95% correct and then you’ll have to go back and correct using the onscreen keyboard or scribble itself, and thats when it gets really ugly. I get frustrated and then give up.

Eventually, my hope is that Apple works out the bugs and this can be super easy to edit out the mistakes and bad auto-corrects. Until then, it just doesn’t live up to the hype and ease of use that Apple made it look like.

Anyone else want the Apple Pencil to have more freedom and customization? For one, I would like the ability to bring up the App Bar from the bottom using a swipe of the Pencil. Why can’t they put this as on option in the settings? That would be way cooler and useful than Scribble to me. And so stupidly simple to implement. We don’t need handholding Apple, you can let us play outside :)
 
I have read and reread your rationale as to why Macs ought to have touchscreens and it seems like your argument boils down to "just because".

And honestly speaking, I haven't exactly seen touchscreen PCs take the world by storm either. Yes, they are there, and I suppose having a feature you hardly use is better than not having it, but it feels like this is there purely to tick off a checkbox, not so much because it legitimately improves the end user experience.
It may actually be more of a frustration at the stupid touch bar. Actually, not even against the touch bar so much, but frustration of removal of the function keys in the name of the touch bar. If Apple had left the function keys in place and simply added a touch bar above it, then it wouldn't receive so much hate. However of course, they could have just made the screen a touch screen and dispensed with the touch bar idea in the first place.
 
It may actually be more of a frustration at the stupid touch bar. Actually, not even against the touch bar so much, but frustration of removal of the function keys in the name of the touch bar. If Apple had left the function keys in place and simply added a touch bar above it, then it wouldn't receive so much hate. However of course, they could have just made the screen a touch screen and dispensed with the touch bar idea in the first place.

I saw the touchbar as Apple’s attempt at creating a more versatile row of functional keys (how many people use the function keys all that much?), not so much a replacement for the touchscreen.
 
I tried Scribble for about a week, and it just seemed like a pain. I kept having to correct it. The virtual keyboard is much faster and easier to add typed text. You can navigate more precisely by long pressing on the space bar. When you are using the Markup tool, you can always insert text by hitting the “+” icon and selecting text and typing.

Honestly, Scribble seems like a gimmick to sell more Apple Pencils. Maybe it is a nice feature if you use your pencil a lot for drawing or note taking and you don’t want to put it down to insert text. For me, it was kind of useless.
 
Exactly. My Newton worked really well for handwriting recognition. Better than the Palm Pilot. Why it took two decades to circle back to this old tech is beyond me.....
I think the possibilities are endless for all we know it might have been lost in a fire or the tradition to the spaceship I certainly don’t know, I am not saying that has to be it though it could be the same tech or maybe Apple wanted to start from scratch, I do recognize however that it just doesn’t matter and that it may have something to do with that story on how iOS was created to not be stylus centered
 
It easy to say, you English speaking (and writing) people, but lack of Spanish, French, and other common languages makes it completely unusable.

And please, don't say it "recognize" Spanish with English keyboard. Not accents, not ñ and if there is a near misstyped in English language, it changes. For example, "culo" (bottom, butt), is converted in "cult".
I can see why it wouldn't understand accented letters at first, because it would require extra training, but it does seem odd that those languages using only the 26 letters used in English can't be supported just by specifying a different dictionary. After all, all those languages are written LTR and in similar scripts.
 
It may actually be more of a frustration at the stupid touch bar. Actually, not even against the touch bar so much, but frustration of removal of the function keys in the name of the touch bar. If Apple had left the function keys in place and simply added a touch bar above it, then it wouldn't receive so much hate. However of course, they could have just made the screen a touch screen and dispensed with the touch bar idea in the first place.
That is the thing isn’t it?
Touch on a laptop will garner the same response, as most “changes” will,
I personally hope Apple doesn’t do that
People have become so encumbered with what they are used to that they forget the Mac itself is a representation of a different way to interact with computers one that is not broken or lesser then the much more standard Touch
iMac or MacBook even Mac mini are used for many different things all are designed for a stationary work to try and imagine someone coding an app with Touch seems problematic at best, and so I really hope Apple will for one not fall for it and what people think they want and will probably never use and try to bring a natural evolution that makes this all look like a none issue,

that being said watching my mother reaching for the screen of my MacBook to scroll or something made me think that just like smartphones, Traditional computers have a unique set of interactions that you need to learn and so even my mother that has used A lot of computers in the past, now after not using one for a Almost a decade needs to relearn it, just like you’ll with smartphones...
 
I wrote iOS 14 several times as perfect as can be handwritten, and each time it spit out "LOS14" or "IOSIP" or some other weird crap. Even when it works it screws up a third of the words, and if something like this isn't near-perfect it is useless because you'll spend more time fixing.
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What's your point? Are they not allowed to reuse functionality if it's older than a certain age? Is there an expiration date?
Weird. I wrote both IOS 14 and iOS 14 in the safari URL search area and it got it right 100% both times. Note that I added atop and bottom foot to the upper case “I” and I put a dot over the lower case “i”.

I find it creepy accurate.
 
That is the thing isn’t it?
Touch on a laptop will garner the same response, as most “changes” will,
I personally hope Apple doesn’t do that
People have become so encumbered with what they are used to that they forget the Mac itself is a representation of a different way to interact with computers one that is not broken or lesser then the much more standard Touch
iMac or MacBook even Mac mini are used for many different things all are designed for a stationary work to try and imagine someone coding an app with Touch seems problematic at best, and so I really hope Apple will for one not fall for it and what people think they want and will probably never use and try to bring a natural evolution that makes this all look like a none issue,

that being said watching my mother reaching for the screen of my MacBook to scroll or something made me think that just like smartphones, Traditional computers have a unique set of interactions that you need to learn and so even my mother that has used A lot of computers in the past, now after not using one for a Almost a decade needs to relearn it, just like you’ll with smartphones...
Adding a touch screen to a Mac doesn't mean removal of the keyboard or trackpad, all it does is add another option for user interfacing. Quite a few other laptops have this, and I'm yet to meet an owner of one of them that doesn't say how useful it is.
 
I saw the touchbar as Apple’s attempt at creating a more versatile row of functional keys (how many people use the function keys all that much?), not so much a replacement for the touchscreen.
Some people use the function keys a LOT!!! It depends on what software you use for work more than anything. Personally I don't use the fn keys as fn keys very often, but I do use the esc key, screen and keyboard brightness keys, and the volume keys every day, and it is extremely useful to be able to find them by feel, so the touch bar kills that. I still have a non-touch bar MBP thankfully, and have friends who have the touch bar, and every single one of them hate it.

Apple has made a big blunder with the touch bar, and they are being super stubborn with it. Yet another frustrating design decision, and hopefully one day it will go away, but I aren't holding my breath.
 
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Seriously, you reach across the keyboard to touch a screen (well I suppose someone does), as opposed to doing touch on the touchpad that is right there by your fingers already. This isn't windows, the touchpad is very touchy, works like touch only easier and without moving your hands across the screen. I personally tried using a tablet device as a laptop, was so annoyed by having to reach across the keyboard to touch the screen - I got a MBP instead.

Engineering is all about compromise. One thing about touchscreens is that they are generally of lesser quality for the same price, or way more expensive, and use a lot more battery. Maybe that is becoming moot now as 5nm technology and ARM is coming out with way better battery life. But it has not trickled into the reviews I've seen. I prefer a non-smudgy, wide color, sharp, bright screen over touch any day. And I never let children play with my computer - that is for cheap laptops or tablets.

So your point is taken, but I just happen to disagree with you
There’s something about the size of an iPad, I use the smartfolio but sometimes if detached when the massive huge on-screen keyboard appears from the bottom is so off putting... it’s not just some light tapping here and there, now you have to tap tons to type the letters. Cumbersome. On iPhone sized screens is definitely not an issue.

I find it a perfect combination a keyboard on a tablet for typing with more complex less frequent interactions (like dragging tabs or rearranging lists) via screen touch and drawing with the pencil, but that’s also because the screen reaching distance is still quite short compared to a laptop.

That being said, someone reminded us on another thread: to this day, in 2020 close to 2021, play/pause video toggle by pressing space bar or ‘K’ still doesn’t work on YouTube... you have to reach the screen and tap it a few times. The most annoying thing.
 
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