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That can be the solution to all of this.

There is and Apple has publicly said that they will happily turn over all data about the Apple ID associated with an AirTag that's part of a criminal case. All the police have to do is ask. I don't think they even want a warrant, just a criminal case.

Of course if these thieves have half a brain they won't be using Apple IDs associated with anything else about themselves. It's more about stopping stalking than organized crime.
 
Click bait. This story was spread before, and now it's being brought up again.
It did not make sense then, and it doesn't make any more sense now.
Exactly. Literally how does a device that will let someone know they’re being tracked work in any way better than a device that won’t let someone know they’re being tracked. It’s like those edge case reports put out by security researchers. Sure it’s “possible” but there are so many better ways for doing “a thing” that anyone seriously trying to do “a thing” would use any of the myriad other more effective ways of doing “a thing”.
 
If Apple wants to expand its Find My network outside North America, it needs to get Android users to use its Android Find My app. Almost perfect police and news reports for Apple. Better if they were worldwide 😜
 
Sure, but the airtag tells you which suburban garage / driveway the car’s parked in overnight which you targeted during the day.

Research car remote relay attacks to understand why that’s important
With a garage it goes into B&E territory and in a lot of places castle doctrine exists. 🔫

My car is garaged every night, in addition to myriad other security measures.
 
I have an AirTag in my car to track the thief. :)
In all seriousness, I’m surprised how a many people think this is a good idea. In reality it’s useless because if you leave your own tag in your car then the thief will get an alert on their iPhone that they are being tracked and remove your AirTag.
 
Ouch, these are tactics from other parts of the world which e.g. in Western society are called ‘barbaric’ and against which wars have been waged for those reasons.

It’s always funny to see these kinds of double standards in public opinion.

We have a long way to go as a species…

To the moderator friends: this is not intended as a political statement, it is a factual observation about the content of a fellow user’s post…
I don’t know where you expect the species to go…
If you think there’ll ever be a future without crime or terrible people, then I have a bridge (or some spare AirTags) to sell you…
 
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I can’t believe Apple actually released AirTags onto the market and didn’t see all these issues with stalking/thefts occurring.

The only thing people seem to have found useful in real world experience seems to be ability to track their luggage when travelling.

Just like the VisionPro where people suddenly seem to want to watch any movie they can to justify what they paid and feel part of ‘the future’ despite probably not have cared about a movie for months/years prior to the headset going on their face.

Be interesting if Apple is foolish enough to release another Gen of these trackers. Considering it hasn’t happened yet, maybe they’ll pretend the thing never came out and move quietly on.
 
In all seriousness, I’m surprised how a many people think this is a good idea. In reality it’s useless because if you leave your own tag in your car then the thief will get an alert on their iPhone that they are being tracked and remove your AirTag.
Chances are you’d realize your car was stolen before they get the alert. AirTags should only be one component of a security setup anyway. I’ve got a Compustar T13 with Drone mobile/GPS/immobilizer, a device that requires a passcode be entered to drive the car, a neutral pull cover, 20 wheels locks, and four AirTags (speakers disabled) hidden throughout the car, including one you’d need a lift or ramps to get to. Oh and a garage. While I consider the AirTags the least important component, I still consider them a useful tool.
 
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In all seriousness, I’m surprised how a many people think this is a good idea. In reality it’s useless because if you leave your own tag in your car then the thief will get an alert on their iPhone that they are being tracked and remove your AirTag.
You’re assuming:
  1. the thief has an iPhone,
  2. they get the alert before they’ve reached wherever they’re taking the stolen car/bike/etc,
  3. and that their reaction will be to spend the time searching for and removing the AirTag rather than just ditching the stolen car/bike/etc
AirTags aren’t expensive, and they’re no guarantee of recovery — but a small chance remains infinitely greater than zero chance.
 
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Chances are you’d realize your car was stolen before they get the alert. AirTags should only be one component of a security setup anyway. I’ve got a Compustar T13 with Drone mobile/GPS/immobilizer, a device that requires a passcode be entered to drive the car, a neutral pull cover, 20 wheels locks, and four AirTags (speakers disabled) hidden throughout the car, including one you’d need a lift or ramps to get to. Oh and a garage. While I consider the AirTags the least important component, I still consider them a useful tool.
Unfortunately, how quickly you realize your car is gone is kind of meaningless. The real question is how long does it take for authorities to respond before the thief becomes aware. In one of the stories from Canada there’s a retelling from a guy who could see his vehicle go trough the motions of having been stolen, then getting prepared to be shipped overseas, then loaded on a ship to Dubai… aaaand… it’s gone. He was frantically altering the authorities to all this as it was happening and while in theory there was time in each of these steps for them to do something - they would not, at least not quickly enough ☹️
 
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You’re assuming:
  1. the thief has an iPhone,
  2. they get the alert before they’ve reached wherever they’re taking the stolen car/bike/etc,
  3. and that their reaction will be to spend the time searching for and removing the AirTag rather than just ditching the stolen car/bike/etc
AirTags aren’t expensive, and they’re no guarantee of recovery — but a small chance remains infinitely greater than zero chance.
I think it really depends on what kind of asset you are tracking. If it’s something that’s more likely to be stolen as part of a crime of opportunity, like for example someone stealing your backpack then I think there’s a good chance of the thief being unprepared and you having a chance to let authorities know in time to act. I even saw a situation like this on one of those police bodycam videos on YouTube.

However, you can bet’cha that ”professional” auto thieves, especially if they are using Airtags themselves, are going to enable AirTag stalking alerts on their mobile devices.
 
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Unfortunately, how quickly you realize your car is gone is kind of meaningless. The real question is how long does it take for authorities to respond before the thief becomes aware. In one of the stories from Canada there’s a retelling from a guy who could see his vehicle go trough the motions of having been stolen, then getting prepared to be shipped overseas, then loaded on a ship to Dubai… aaaand… it’s gone. He was frantically altering the authorities to all this as it was happening and while in theory there was time in each of these steps for them to do something - they would not, at least not quickly enough ☹️
That’s why you go track it down yourself. And when you get there, you can call the police and tell them you’ve been carjacked at gunpoint. That’ll get a nice rapid response. Or if it’s sitting somewhere accessible and there’s nobody sitting in it, use your spare key and take it back yourself. You also ignored that AirTags should just be one element of a multi-pronged system. Using AirTags for recovery should be the tool of last resort.
 
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That’s why you go track it down yourself. And when you get there, you can call the police and tell them you’ve been carjacked at gunpoint. That’ll get a nice rapid response. Or if it’s sitting somewhere accessible and there’s nobody sitting in it, use your spare key and take it back yourself. You also ignored that AirTags should just be one element of a multi-pronged system. Using AirTags for recovery should be the tool of last resort.
Oooh, that is some bad advice. You cannot lie to the police that you’ve been carjacked when you have not been. The police will investigate and charge the suspects based on what actually happened and if your story is different than what happened you can get in trouble for lying to the police.

Ultimately, what I would like to see is a system similar to how Ring cameras now provide you the ability to give permission to police to tap into your street-facing Ring camera. So, let’s say something of yours is stolen then if you communicated with the authorities and they indicate that they are going to take action then you can provide them with some kind of code which if they use as credentialed law enforcement, would cause a couple of things to happen… you would (unfortunately) lose your ability to track the AirTag but, they would gain the ability to track your AirTag, and crucially, Apple would stop any stalking notifications on that AirTag. Seems to me a system like this would strike a reasonable balance of safety and security, while not alerting the criminals that they are being tracked.
 
Oooh, that is some bad advice. You cannot lie to the police that you’ve been carjacked when you have not been. The police will investigate and charge the suspects based on what actually happened and if your story is different than what happened you can get in trouble for lying to the police.

Ultimately, what I would like to see is a system similar to how Ring cameras now provide you the ability to give permission to police to tap into your street-facing Ring camera. So, let’s say something of yours is stolen then if you communicated with the authorities and they indicate that they are going to take action then you can provide them with some kind of code which if they use as credentialed law enforcement, would cause a couple of things to happen… you would (unfortunately) lose your ability to track the AirTag but, they would gain the ability to track your AirTag, and crucially, Apple would stop any stalking notifications on that AirTag. Seems to me a system like this would strike a reasonable balance of safety and security, while not alerting the criminals that they are being tracked.
“Yes officer, he told me that he had a gun and to get out of the car.”

It’s my word versus the car thieves word at that point. I wonder who they’ll believe.
 
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We really need to bump up our punishments for stupid stuff like this: theft has always been one the things that pisses me off the most.

Back in the day, if you stole a person’s horse, you got hung tell dead. Most people work for what they have and can’t easily replace it.
Yeah, "back in the day"... and now it's 2024. Yes for punishment but hanging? Come on.
 
Montreal is making headlines here because it's near Vermont but it's happening everywhere in Canada specially Toronto and Montreal. Assuming it's the same in US cities. It's been covered many many times here in Canada. Those cars are shipped by containers in Europe and Africa. And it's not an AirTag-only problem. It's mainly a problem with car manufacturers security system.
 
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I can’t believe Apple actually released AirTags onto the market and didn’t see all these issues with stalking/thefts occurring.

The only thing people seem to have found useful in real world experience seems to be ability to track their luggage when travelling.

Just like the VisionPro where people suddenly seem to want to watch any movie they can to justify what they paid and feel part of ‘the future’ despite probably not have cared about a movie for months/years prior to the headset going on their face.

Be interesting if Apple is foolish enough to release another Gen of these trackers. Considering it hasn’t happened yet, maybe they’ll pretend the thing never came out and move quietly on.
AirTags are incredibly useful, and I use them on more than my suitcases. As recommended by many police departments, I even have AirTags hidden in my vehicles (buried in engine compartments) for theft recovery. Just because criminals also use them, doesn’t mean that law abiding citizens should be denied their functionality. Cars are used in robberies, phones to facilitate countless crimes, computers for hacking/ransom ware - should the manufacturers stop producing those as well? AirTags have excellent security features to protect someone, or their property, from being tracked.
 
In all seriousness, I’m surprised how a many people think this is a good idea. In reality it’s useless because if you leave your own tag in your car then the thief will get an alert on their iPhone that they are being tracked and remove your AirTag.
It’s a great idea, and recommended by many police departments. My AirTags are buried in my engine compartments in waterproof insulated holders. They would be challenging to find, and not easily heard. Even if heard, it would take some digging to pinpoint. The highest chances for recovery of a vehicle is right after its theft. If you step out of the mall after running an errand to find your car missing, there is a good chance it is still on the road being taken to the chop shop, or where it is going to be containered for an overseas sale. The thief hasn’t had time to crawl around under your engine compartment. If they get an alert they are being tracked, they know there is a risk now to take that car to their garage to process. You increase the odds they will abandon the vehicle for a lower-risk target. You simply want the thief to know they are being tracked. And if they don’t realize it, all the better.
 
And in the meantime, if someone steals my bike or lawn mower they are alerted that I have an AirTag on it and can get the AirTag off before I can find my stuff (if they can find it cuz I hide them quite well)!
 
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