cuad-core i7+3000HD or dual-core i7+AMD Radeon 6630

jonjon1

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Jul 20, 2011
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Hi there!
I study architecture. And i really was waiting for the new Macmini. Graphics are really important for my career, but now i really dont know which one to buy!
MacMini 2.0GHz quad-core i7 with Intel 3000HD or MacMini 2.7GHz dual-core i7 with AMD Radeon 6630M.
Wich one would be better for me, thinking the price difference is only 100 dollars!
Thanks a lot!
 

richmlow

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Jul 17, 2002
146
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I would recommend getting a MacMini configuration which contains the AMD Radeon 6630M. Of course, there are many "Build To Order" options that you need to consider. However, I think that the most important ones (relative to current MacMini offerings) are:

1. GPU: The discrete AMD Radeon 6630M is much more powerful than the integrated Intel 3000HD. There is no question about that.

2. RAM: 4GB worth of RAM is fine...especially with the memory hogs of current-day software and operating system.

With regards to CPU, I wouldn't worry to much about the differences between 2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5, 2.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, and 2.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. These different CPUs have negligible speed variations, and slightly different L2 caches.

Again to reiterate, get a configuration which contains the AMD Radeon 6630M...trust me on this one!!

As for me, I am also planning to purchase a new Mac Mini within this week. The configuration that I'm planning to get is as follows:

2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5
4GB RAM memory
500GB hard drive
AMD Radeon 6630M
OS X Lion

Activities that I'll be using it for include: web-browsing, webpage design, word-processing, email, Mathematica programming, LaTeX typesetting, music, video, and gaming.

Good luck on your decision! =)


richmlow



Hi there!
I study architecture. And i really was waiting for the new Macmini. Graphics are really important for my career, but now i really dont know which one to buy!
MacMini 2.0GHz quad-core i7 with Intel 3000HD or MacMini 2.7GHz dual-core i7 with AMD Radeon 6630M.
Wich one would be better for me, thinking the price difference is only 100 dollars!
Thanks a lot!
 

srf4real

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Jul 25, 2006
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For me, knowing that I watch movies on my big flatscreen not my Apple, and I play video games on my PS3 not my Apple, but I work heavily with Photoshop and other digital imaging apps.. the HD3000 will do me fine.

I weighed the benefits of having four multi-threaded cores running 64 bit apps on a SSD when ordering the mini server over the high end mini.
 

jonjon1

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Jul 20, 2011
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I weighed the benefits of having four multi-threaded cores running 64 bit apps on a SSD when ordering the mini server over the high end mini.
Sorry, didnt get that last part. So you say the high end mini isnt good enaugh? But the high end mini runs for multi-threadad cores in 64bit. Am i right?

What would be better at the end... cuad core with turbo boost to 3.4GHz. or dual core with AMD Radeon 6630M 256MB?

Thanks a lot richmlow! Your post was very helpful!
 

srf4real

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Jul 25, 2006
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Sorry, didnt get that last part. So you say the high end mini isnt good enaugh? But the high end mini runs for multi-threadad cores in 64bit. Am i right?

What would be better at the end... cuad core with turbo boost to 3.4GHz. or dual core with AMD Radeon 6630M 256MB?

Thanks a lot richmlow! Your post was very helpful!
Yep, the i5 is multi thread as well. Just four threads at once as opposed to eight in the i7. I don't know if I'll ever be able to load up the whole chip at once in my lifetime- but I feel very far away from obsolete. I get my new macs with specs timed to last most of a decade...
 

thejadedmonkey

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May 28, 2005
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I have a 2.3ghz dual-core laptop, with the 6630m GPU. It's pleanty fast. For some comparisons, where I can get 40+ FPS in Rift, I can get about 0-1fps if I use the 3000 GPU.

It's not that I would pick the 6630m, as much as I would never ever ever try to use the 3000 GPU for anything 3d related.
 

srf4real

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Jul 25, 2006
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I have a 2.3ghz dual-core laptop, with the 6630m GPU. It's pleanty fast. For some comparisons, where I can get 40+ FPS in Rift, I can get about 0-1fps if I use the 3000 GPU.

It's not that I would pick the 6630m, as much as I would never ever ever try to use the 3000 GPU for anything 3d related.
0-1 fps? Seriously? Anyways, I probably don't belong in this thread.. as I stated I do games on ps3 and movies on bigsreen, bluray ps3, etc..

If 3D performance is that inhibited and important to your needs I'd have to consider these guys with real world experience.
 

obsidian1200

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Jun 19, 2010
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I have a 2.3ghz dual-core laptop, with the 6630m GPU. It's pleanty fast. For some comparisons, where I can get 40+ FPS in Rift, I can get about 0-1fps if I use the 3000 GPU.

It's not that I would pick the 6630m, as much as I would never ever ever try to use the 3000 GPU for anything 3d related.
Just out of personal curiosity, how much RAM does the GPU in your laptop have? If it's only 256MB, like the card in the Mac Mini, then those numbers are quite impressive.
 

flyer05

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Jul 20, 2011
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I have the same question: server quad-core i7 with 3000HD or high-end dual-core i7 with Radeon 6630M.

I primarily want the mini to use as an HTPC and to serve my music/video content to other computers/tablets/iphones around my house, but I'd also like to do some video editing in the future. Which would be better for final cut pro x - the better gpu or the extra cores? Will I take a hit on viewing HD content if I don't get the discrete gpu? The HTPC aspects are definitely the priority for me.

Any help would be much appreciated!
 

Tulpa

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May 11, 2011
145
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I have the same question: server quad-core i7 with 3000HD or high-end dual-core i7 with Radeon 6630M.

I primarily want the mini to use as an HTPC and to serve my music/video content to other computers/tablets/iphones around my house, but I'd also like to do some video editing in the future. Which would be better for final cut pro x - the better gpu or the extra cores? Will I take a hit on viewing HD content if I don't get the discrete gpu? The HTPC aspects are definitely the priority for me.

Any help would be much appreciated!
Quad core is probably the biggest difference-maker for encoding video, as long as you're using an app that uses all the cores. Which makes me wonder about this statement:

With regards to CPU, I wouldn't worry to much about the differences between 2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5, 2.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, and 2.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. These different CPUs have negligible speed variations, and slightly different L2 caches.
I can't imagine that a quad core and dual core i7 from the same generation are comparable in speed.
 

theSeb

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Aug 10, 2010
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I would recommend getting a MacMini configuration which contains the AMD Radeon 6630M. Of course, there are many "Build To Order" options that you need to consider. However, I think that the most important ones (relative to current MacMini offerings) are:

1. GPU: The discrete AMD Radeon 6630M is much more powerful than the integrated Intel 3000HD. There is no question about that.

2. RAM: 4GB worth of RAM is fine...especially with the memory hogs of current-day software and operating system.

With regards to CPU, I wouldn't worry to much about the differences between 2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5, 2.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, and 2.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. These different CPUs have negligible speed variations, and slightly different L2 caches.

Again to reiterate, get a configuration which contains the AMD Radeon 6630M...trust me on this one!!

As for me, I am also planning to purchase a new Mac Mini within this week. The configuration that I'm planning to get is as follows:

2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5
4GB RAM memory
500GB hard drive
AMD Radeon 6630M
OS X Lion

Activities that I'll be using it for include: web-browsing, webpage design, word-processing, email, Mathematica programming, LaTeX typesetting, music, video, and gaming.

Good luck on your decision! =)


richmlow
Slight differences between quad core and dual core? Ok.
 

AustinZ

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Aug 6, 2008
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Quad core is probably the biggest difference-maker for encoding video, as long as you're using an app that uses all the cores. Which makes me wonder about this statement:



I can't imagine that a quad core and dual core i7 from the same generation are comparable in speed.
If the application can run four to eight threads the quad-core chip should blow the other two out of the water, even if each core is running at a slightly slower clock frequency. But if you're talking about light Microsoft Office 2011 and iTunes usage I daresay there won't be much of a difference.
 

japtor

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Jun 29, 2010
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Quad core is probably the biggest difference-maker for encoding video, as long as you're using an app that uses all the cores. Which makes me wonder about this statement:

I can't imagine that a quad core and dual core i7 from the same generation are comparable in speed.
Luckily the CPUs (the quad 2.0 and dual 2.7 at least) were already in the MBPs for months and benchmarked, such as with Geekbench. Looking at the 64-bit numbers, the quad 2.0 is about 25% faster than the dual 2.7. Depending on the task it'll vary but the dual seems to hold it's own decently considering it has half the cores/threads...I imagine the higher clock (and turbo clock) helps a bunch. If the graphics are a good enough bump above the HD3000 I'll probably get the 2.5 or 2.7.
 

moxxey

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Feb 27, 2011
181
4
One key area where the quad-core chip excels is virtualization.

For example, I'm able to allocate two cores to OS X and two cores to Windows 7, making both operating systems rather fast. Under a dual core machine, you can't do that.

So, for this example, I can't figure if the dual core i7 (with Radeon) will be better or worse than the quad core i7 (with Intel)?
 

TheRdungeon

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Jul 21, 2011
382
0
I'm seriously considering getting one of these for Logic Pro 9, graphics doesn't matter at all. Currently using it on a 2.4GHz C2D MBP but it's maxing out with the plugins I'm using, Most likely going for the Quad Core but will be running Logic in 32bit mode as that's what some of the plugins run in.

You guys reckon it's worth it? I already plug this into a screen, mouse and keyboard and run dual 500GB HDDs with an optibay so it seems almost identical setup wise, just much faster. Sorry for thread hijack haha, but similar.
 

biosci

macrumors 6502a
Apr 16, 2010
750
36
Chicagoland, IL
Does the radeon at all helps with pushing out the HDMI or video out more than the integrated graphics? I want to push out mkvs through the HDMI but have the standard monitor be able to work. What about encoding iMovie's or working with your photo libraries etc? Does the Radeon help that much more over there? Or should I best go with the quad core?

Going a 4gb quad core with 750gb + 256gbssd is cheaper than the same with the 4gb 2.7 i7....

Mike
 

Mr.C

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Apr 3, 2011
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I presume that games don't make use of the additional cores in the quad core so for running games the dual core with the more powerful Radeon GPU will be much better. One thing I noticed was that the integrated Intel GPU only supports Direct X 10 where as the AMD Radeon 6630M supports Direct X 11. In games I imagine that will make a difference.
 

Nanker/Phelge

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Dec 6, 2010
168
1
I would recommend getting a MacMini configuration which contains the AMD Radeon 6630M. Of course, there are many "Build To Order" options that you need to consider. However, I think that the most important ones (relative to current MacMini offerings) are:

1. GPU: The discrete AMD Radeon 6630M is much more powerful than the integrated Intel 3000HD. There is no question about that.

2. RAM: 4GB worth of RAM is fine...especially with the memory hogs of current-day software and operating system.

With regards to CPU, I wouldn't worry to much about the differences between 2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5, 2.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, and 2.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. These different CPUs have negligible speed variations, and slightly different L2 caches.

Again to reiterate, get a configuration which contains the AMD Radeon 6630M...trust me on this one!!

As for me, I am also planning to purchase a new Mac Mini within this week. The configuration that I'm planning to get is as follows:

2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5
4GB RAM memory
500GB hard drive
AMD Radeon 6630M
OS X Lion

Activities that I'll be using it for include: web-browsing, webpage design, word-processing, email, Mathematica programming, LaTeX typesetting, music, video, and gaming.

Good luck on your decision! =)


richmlow
I believe there is a massive difference in speed between the dual core and the quad core i7's...go to everymac.com and check out the Geekbench scores for the 13" high end MPB and the 15" base MBP, those machines use the same respective chips.
 

Nanker/Phelge

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Dec 6, 2010
168
1
Also, in terms of video encoding have a look at this thread:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1111126

With these results for the "Big Black Bunny" test:

13" MBP 2.3GHz Dual Core i5 4GB RAM - 10 mins 22 secs @ 23.06 fps (Base Mini +2GB RAM)
13" MBP 2.7GHz Dual Core i7 4GB RAM - 9 mins 53 secs @ 24.18 fps (Upgraded Mini w/ i7)
15" MBP 2.0GHz Quad Core i7 4GB RAM - 6 mins 44 secs @ 35.31 fps (Mini Server)

I would expect to see similar results with the Minis
 

gpat

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Mar 1, 2011
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The Mini seems pointless to me, aside from the $599 model and the Server one for Server purposes. If you plan to get the AMD 6630 or the Quad model for workstation purpose, you could as well get a base iMac with IPS LED screen for little more.
 

azentropy

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The Mini seems pointless to me, aside from the $599 model and the Server one for Server purposes. If you plan to get the AMD 6630 or the Quad model for workstation purpose, you could as well get a base iMac with IPS LED screen for little more.
Some people already have their own screens and/or prefer better/matte screens.
 

Mr.C

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Apr 3, 2011
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The Mini seems pointless to me, aside from the $599 model and the Server one for Server purposes. If you plan to get the AMD 6630 or the Quad model for workstation purpose, you could as well get a base iMac with IPS LED screen for little more.
That maybe so but at the same time it all depends on personal needs. I wouldn't mind getting an iMac however there are two issues for me in this respect. Firstly I neither have space for or need the display and it's not like I can just sell the display on it's own to get rid of it. Secondly I already own an Apple Bluetooth keyboard, Magic Mouse and Track Pad. Granted this is a small issue as I can just sell the included keyboard and mouse but I can't do that with the display.

If Apple offered an option like the iMac but with the display as a separate option then I would go for that. The Mac Pros are way over my budget not to mention overkill for what I use the computer for. My only option is a Mac Mini.

Please don't assume the iMac is the best or the right option for everyone.
 

biosci

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Apr 16, 2010
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What other tasks are better benefitted by the quad 2.0 vs the dual 2.7 i7? Also, is the graphics card diff important to running VLC or boxee/plex/htpc duties via HDMI AND use as a comp on the other display?
 

localoid

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I'm seriously considering getting one of these for Logic Pro 9, graphics doesn't matter at all. Currently using it on a 2.4GHz C2D MBP but it's maxing out with the plugins I'm using, Most likely going for the Quad Core but will be running Logic in 32bit mode as that's what some of the plugins run in.

You guys reckon it's worth it? I already plug this into a screen, mouse and keyboard and run dual 500GB HDDs with an optibay so it seems almost identical setup wise, just much faster. Sorry for thread hijack haha, but similar.
After checking the specs of the new minis yesterday my first thought was that the i7 quad system would seem to have great potential if used as a DAW. If it's using the Intel Core i7-2635QM it should benchmark in the same ballpark as some 4-core Mac Pros in terms of raw CPU power. I look forward to seeing more detailed specs and the Geekbench results for it.
 
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