Quite a few intelligent people suffer from dyslexia, which could easily account for this. It could also simply be a typo.
I see your point, but it's a little heartless, and doesn't exactly contribute to the thread in a constructive way.
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Quite a few intelligent people suffer from dyslexia, which could easily account for this. It could also simply be a typo.
I see your point, but it's a little heartless, and doesn't exactly contribute to the thread in a constructive way.
I'm sorry Lemonade-maker, but is the two word phase "Not believable" even a sentence? Care to tell me what your noun is? Because unless my 2rd grade grammar is wrong, to have a sentence, you need a noun.
Now, if by your logic, we should not believe anyone that displays poor grammar, then we should not believe you. In fact, by your logic, we should not believe ANYTHING you say.
Anyway, all banter aside, its very, very poor logic to argue that a possible typo, or a little bit of poor grammar, indicates that NOTHING someone might say is believable. If we actually practiced this, nothing anyone has ever said would be "believable", because certainly we've all suffered from a typo or poor grammar at one moment in time.
And back to the point of the article, you can run hackintoshs. You'll find quite a bit of materiel on what parts people have bought and what versions of OSX they have got running. A google search of the word "hackintosh" (which since it is not word you'll find in the dictionary, isn't going to return a lot of cites not dealing with what you want) comes up with over 5 million hits.
If you don't believe people's own experience, try it yourself. There is little point is basically calling them a lier because of less then perfect grammar. That argument certainly doesn't do anything to prove or disprove is building a hackintosh is possible....
Ooer, you mis-spelt material, I don't believe you, wallysb01! 
Dunno if I agree with you there, iFixIt has been an invaluable resource to me recently!
On topic, I will echo other people here by saying wrong forum, and we can't talk about it, but I will whisper tonymacx86, netkas, insanelymac and google.
Dunno if I agree with you there, iFixIt has been an invaluable resource to me recently!
On topic, I will echo other people here by saying wrong forum, and we can't talk about it, but I will whisper tonymacx86, netkas, insanelymac and google.
I absolutely believe that a Hackintosh can be stable. I also believe that nobody can guarantee it will continue to be stable for all future updates.
Look at any of the Hackintosh forums and you will see almost nothing but complaints and requests for help, often without solutions. Stories of success are rare, and are often partial success with certain elements not working (camera, wi-fi, bootup screen, full resolution, all video outputs, whatever).
Many complaints are people who had 100% stable systems but then broke when an OS update came along.
If you want to know the whole situation, don't listen to the opinion of one or two people here, read those forums mentioned and you will learn the total state of affairs, good and bad.
I was gung-ho about Hackintosh, but after doing research on the forums looking for 100% stable hardware, I ended up getting a Mac Pro. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with going Hackintosh, but personally I want to use my computer and OS, I don't want maintenance, troubleshooting, and hacking to become a hobby. (That's what Windows is for.) I used to actually enjoy that hobby aspect, but no longer.
I see that many people almost do Hackintosh just for that aspect alone, and I say more power to them, but it's not for me. I just don't have the time any more.
Look at any of the Hackintosh forums and you will see almost nothing but complaints and requests for help, often without solutions. Stories of success are rare, and are often partial success with certain elements not working (camera, wi-fi, bootup screen, full resolution, all video outputs, whatever).
Many complaints are people who had 100% stable systems but then broke when an OS update came along.
If you want to know the whole situation, don't listen to the opinion of one or two people here, read those forums mentioned and you will learn the total state of affairs, good and bad.
I was gung-ho about Hackintosh, but after doing research on the forums looking for 100% stable hardware, I ended up getting a Mac Pro. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with going Hackintosh, but personally I want to use my computer and OS, I don't want maintenance, troubleshooting, and hacking to become a hobby. (That's what Windows is for.) I used to actually enjoy that hobby aspect, but no longer.
I see that many people almost do Hackintosh just for that aspect alone, and I say more power to them, but it's not for me. I just don't have the time any more.
I had a similar thought process as well. I had an aging dell, and a need to run a computer with Unix/Linux. So I basically had 3 options, Mac, Ubuntu, or Hackintosh. At first I thought building a hackintosh wouldn't be that hard and I could save some money, and if it didn't work, I'd just go the Ubuntu route. Then I got to thinking a little harder.
So, I spend maybe $800 building the computer I need, trying to find the right MoBo and what not that OSX will support. Which is apparently a bit of trial and error. Then, if you ever do get it working, you can basically never trust an update. Since computer software is a contently evolving beast, you might find that in just a year or so a variety of other programs can't work, or you have to keep using old programs of them too, just because you don't want to upgrade past 10.6.3 or something. Then after all that effort, if something went wrong, would I really be happy with Ubuntu? No Office (which sadly is must) or some hacked version? Questionable printer drivers and the like? So, I'd likely have to dual boot Ubuntu and Windows, which would of course cost in total ~$200 for the operating system and Office. If I'm building some $800 beast with an i7 2600K, why am I skimping out on actually USING that investment and processing power to its fullest potential. The added few hundred bucks for a Mac, and saving all the pain and anguish (either with Hackintosh or Ubunto/Windows dual boot) is probably well worth it.
You would need to get some fish that can live in the mineral oil - maybe construct them from nanobots?
There are cooling options for Overclocked / Graphics upgraded Mac Pro's - like PCI slot fans, and fans that mount on the cpu. There is even a liquid cool option that is a pump / closed system. The submered system seems like it would be a lot of work
You are so amazing. Sorry I don't check over my posts on internet forums to make sure everything is perfect. I was about to walk out the door when I made that post so I made it quickly.
Bottom line is a hackintosh can be very reliable. The main thing your going to run into that will make it unreliable is the sleep kext. Every time you update to a new version of the OS the sleep kext needs to be modified otherwise it will cause a kernel panic on reboot. I got tired of installing and uninstalling every time I updated so my hackintosh will never go to sleep. I turn off the screens when im not using it and have done every update since snow leopard right from software update. no problems.
I'm afraid Lion and Pro Tools wont play nice together yet so I haven't updated to Lion.
Commenting about hackintoshes is exactly what this thread is about. Nit picking at grammar isnt.
This does NOT mean "no problems" does it??
Sorry but that is just the reason why I have a Mac Pro (which sleeps after an update)...
True but I spent about $900 on the parts when the i7s were first released. I'm guessing you spent a ton more on your Mac pro. I never let my computer sleep on windows so it's not a big deal to me it doesn't sleep on osx
I bought my Mac Pro before Snow Leopard was even released and Hackintoshes back then were completely ridiculous, because I seriously considered it. But the hassle was too much so I essentially paid double for my MP, but I don't really care looking back.
My MP spends 50% of it's time asleep in OS X, so it's a fairly useful feature to have working
The noun is the entire quoted statement. The point was that the poster made untrue claims. The poster made it seem that hacks can be just as reliable as a real Mac. In a single case this may be true but in general it is not. If the poster can claim a hackintosh is reliable in general, I claim that those that confuse then with than are suspect.
Has anyone ever built an oil submerged Computer that has a separate filter? You could run a decent external aquarium filter with a UV light and plenty of charcoal, maybe add a radiator in-between the two to get rid of accumulated heat.
With a nice braceless cube aquarium and the filter and stuff hidden away it could even look quite cool if you mounted the components well.
With a nice braceless cube aquarium and the filter and stuff hidden away it could even look quite cool if you mounted the components well.
Oh, really. I guess I wasn't aware that sentence structure had been so greatly modified to include the quotations NOT in a sentence to act as the noun of a sentence. I think what you might be wishing you had was a little thing called a pronoun in there.
There are few things more annoying than someone acting as the grammar police on an internet form. What is worse however, is when someone is acting as the grammar police and doesn't even know grammar.
Oh and don't forget that we can't believe ANYTHING you say because of this grammatical mistake. NEVER. You made your bed, now you have lay in it.
The hell it was. Your point was that a minor grammar mistake was proof that NOTHING he said could be believed. Your point ENTIRELY centered around grammar.
Sure, you can claim what ever you like. The problem you'll face is getting anyone else to believe your twisted logic. If you don't believe his claim, why not dispute it with facts and logic related to the claim instead of grammar?
BTW, if we're going to keep track. I'm much happier listing to someone that confuses "than" and 'then", then listing to someone that can't figure out how to noun in sentence....
You are too funny. Get worked-up much? I don't trust an anecdotal generalized opinion. You are free to. It's not an issue of grammar. It is an issue of understanding the fundamental meaning of very basic words. Poor grammar isn't necessarily bad, and sometimes works well. Poor use of simple words when making grandiose claims is not so good. If one is unable decide on decent words to use, I make a choice. Again, you don't have to.
Why all this fuzz about grammar?
I write pretty bad english, does that make me a less knowledgable person?
No, it doesn't. I'm not from an english speaking country, but I have no problems expressing myself on at least three languages, and I do understand a few more.
Anyways, back on topic.
Hackintoshes works well, if you know what you are doing and are choosing your hardware well. I have two hackintoshes (I gave one to my parents).
One being a standard Dell Optiplex 745 with C2D 2.13 GHz, which with the exception of changing the graphics card to a GeForce 8400 and adding a new NIC worked out of the box. (The built-in graphics did work, but an old Intel GMA have issues with running full HD res.) The machine have been running on a daily basis for years now.
Same with my desktop.
I have had no sleep issues, I do however use modified kexts to enable sleep.
Making a hackintosh does not require much more technical insight than it is to install linux these days, but you might need to do a little research before you buy.
The project looks cool, if you have money for it and can afford to screw up.
I do believe that additional upgrades would be difficult with oil in PCI and RAM slots, etc..
I write pretty bad english, does that make me a less knowledgable person?
No, it doesn't. I'm not from an english speaking country, but I have no problems expressing myself on at least three languages, and I do understand a few more.
Anyways, back on topic.
Hackintoshes works well, if you know what you are doing and are choosing your hardware well. I have two hackintoshes (I gave one to my parents).
One being a standard Dell Optiplex 745 with C2D 2.13 GHz, which with the exception of changing the graphics card to a GeForce 8400 and adding a new NIC worked out of the box. (The built-in graphics did work, but an old Intel GMA have issues with running full HD res.) The machine have been running on a daily basis for years now.
Same with my desktop.
I have had no sleep issues, I do however use modified kexts to enable sleep.
Making a hackintosh does not require much more technical insight than it is to install linux these days, but you might need to do a little research before you buy.
The project looks cool, if you have money for it and can afford to screw up.
I do believe that additional upgrades would be difficult with oil in PCI and RAM slots, etc..
Odd, because that's all you'll find relating to this particular topic. So far as I know, you're not going to find any empirical data to demonstrate just how stable hackintoshes are. Also, anecdotes are generally all you'll find on message boards. Apparently you gross problems basic logic.
You made it about it.
Its about a guy typing an "a" instead of "e". Sound the alarm....
Oh, you're free to make what ever choices you want. When you voice the reasoning of those choices in a public forum however, you should expect that people may also make the choice to criticize your reasoning. Again, simple logic apparently goes right over your head.
Anyway, this topic is now grossly unrelated to the original topic, so I'm now going to make the choice to let this die. Feel free to follow up by commenting on any of my possible grammatical mistakes, improper word choices or typos and how they make everything I say unreliable if you wish. I certainly wouldn't want to impede your right to free speech... however asinine it might be.
I guess the difference is that for someone who knows enough to build a PC part by part, they know enough to troubleshoot it, and if an update on a Hackintosh causes problems they can likely roll back or fix it. For the layman on the other hand, a Hackintosh might a dream until an update kills it, or causes a kernel panic. Not to mention adding new hardware to a Hackintosh such as a new video card can be fun, especially if your brand shiny new NVidia card is not supported, or you have to use hacked drivers. No one is saying it can't be done, just that its not for everyone.
I never said I cared if anyone believed me. I have been using a hackintosh day in and day out for 2 years with no problems. I have had no sleep issues I just decided not to install/reinstall the modified kexts anymore with each update because I dont care if the hackintosh gos to sleep or not.
Like someone else said in this thread if you can build a PC you shouldn't have any issues. The hardest part is installing OSX and getting everything running. once you do that everything else is cake. I haven't run into an update that kills it after disabling sleep. I've installed video cards, SSDs, More ram, extra HDs all with no issues with OSX.
Take my opinion or don't I really don't care.
Like someone else said in this thread if you can build a PC you shouldn't have any issues. The hardest part is installing OSX and getting everything running. once you do that everything else is cake. I haven't run into an update that kills it after disabling sleep. I've installed video cards, SSDs, More ram, extra HDs all with no issues with OSX.
Take my opinion or don't I really don't care.
Setting aside the entire grammer thing for a moment, what does "100-300 percent stable" even mean? Why would you provide a range like that?
*boggle*
Also, having to set your computer to never go to sleep, or constantly rejiggering kexts isn't "just as reliable". It might be "acceptably reliable" or "worth it because it was cheaper", but unless you can go to Software Update and have it perform exactly as a factory-built Mac, it's not "as reliable".
A lot of misinformation here in this thread.
I bought a Macbook air, and after loving Aperture installed Os X Lion on my desktop. I game and do Office stuff in Windows, and dual boot into Lion to browse and do photography and video editing. My Desktop has the following specs:
Intel Core i7 2600k @ 5ghz
Asus P8P67-WS Revolution
16GB Gskill Ripjaws DDR3 1600mhz
250GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
2x Radeon HD6970 graphic's cards
XSPC Watercooling
It works flawlessly and was extremely easy to set up. I did a clean install using the rBoot CD and a usb key of Lion that I made with a little app called something like Os X Lion Disk Maker. It was literally this easy:
1. Download Lion from App Store, OS X Disc Maker, rBoot CD, Multibeast
2. Plug in USB Thumb Drive
3. Run OS X Disc Maker, press "Make Disc."
5. Burn rBoot cd to a DVD.
4. Plug in your newly made Lion thumbdrive to your PC and pop in the rBoot DVD.
5. Turn the PC on. When rBoot launches, select "Boot Lion OSX." Complete install as you would on any mac.
6. When install is done, run Multibeast.
7. Since my video card is new and not yet supported in Multibeast, I had to download a single extra kext and install it. Most people will not have to do this.
The entire process takes about one hour, and 30 minutes of that is waiting for files to be copied to the USB drive and DVD.
Every single thing works on my system. App store, iTunes store, SOFTWARE UPDATE, Dual Intel gigabit lans, TRIM, full graphics acceleration of my HD6970's, full realtek audio, sleep, firewire, bluetooth, and even USB 3 thanks to multibeast. It was shockingly easy. I even bought a Magic Trackpad for it.
Needless to say, my Hackintosh is far faster than a Mac Pro in every way, and with more features (like USB 3). There is zero difference in experience between my Macbook Air and my Hackintosh - except the Hackintosh is much, much faster.
For those of you who don't believe, I'm charging my SLR now and will have pics up soon. And actually, if you have any benchmarks you'd like me to run I'd be happy to.
I bought a Macbook air, and after loving Aperture installed Os X Lion on my desktop. I game and do Office stuff in Windows, and dual boot into Lion to browse and do photography and video editing. My Desktop has the following specs:
Intel Core i7 2600k @ 5ghz
Asus P8P67-WS Revolution
16GB Gskill Ripjaws DDR3 1600mhz
250GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD
2x Radeon HD6970 graphic's cards
XSPC Watercooling
It works flawlessly and was extremely easy to set up. I did a clean install using the rBoot CD and a usb key of Lion that I made with a little app called something like Os X Lion Disk Maker. It was literally this easy:
1. Download Lion from App Store, OS X Disc Maker, rBoot CD, Multibeast
2. Plug in USB Thumb Drive
3. Run OS X Disc Maker, press "Make Disc."
5. Burn rBoot cd to a DVD.
4. Plug in your newly made Lion thumbdrive to your PC and pop in the rBoot DVD.
5. Turn the PC on. When rBoot launches, select "Boot Lion OSX." Complete install as you would on any mac.
6. When install is done, run Multibeast.
7. Since my video card is new and not yet supported in Multibeast, I had to download a single extra kext and install it. Most people will not have to do this.
The entire process takes about one hour, and 30 minutes of that is waiting for files to be copied to the USB drive and DVD.
Every single thing works on my system. App store, iTunes store, SOFTWARE UPDATE, Dual Intel gigabit lans, TRIM, full graphics acceleration of my HD6970's, full realtek audio, sleep, firewire, bluetooth, and even USB 3 thanks to multibeast. It was shockingly easy. I even bought a Magic Trackpad for it.
Needless to say, my Hackintosh is far faster than a Mac Pro in every way, and with more features (like USB 3). There is zero difference in experience between my Macbook Air and my Hackintosh - except the Hackintosh is much, much faster.
For those of you who don't believe, I'm charging my SLR now and will have pics up soon. And actually, if you have any benchmarks you'd like me to run I'd be happy to.
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awesome man. I was waiting for the drivers to come for sandy bridge hackintoshes. I may still keep saving for a new mac pro but I would definitely
be interested in some geek benches from your system cause possibly building your system would leave me enough money for 2 27" Cinema displays.
I ran it earlier and scored mid 16,000's I think. I will do an optimized run tonight while a bunch of background stuff isn't downloading and post it up.
thats surprising. my buddy got 17000 on his 2600k 32bit in windows on a tigerdirect bare bones 4ghz pre overclocked box. so I would think 5ghz would do dramatically better.