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Czech Carrier Dumps iPhone Over Apple's 'Business Terms'

Very interesting, some pushback from a carrier that does not take being pushed around easily. It's why Verizon originally took a pass, and AT&T ended up with multi-year exclusive. And look at how AT&T's reputation was destroyed.

I'm sure this will be roundly trashed as anything that holds Apple responsible, is against the grain of those who idolize the company.


(one is not truly free to express their opinions here :) )
 
*LTD* said:
Their loss. iPhone demand is exploding. The Christmas quarter will bear this out. Those wanting one will simply look elsewhere.
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No...its not. If it was, they wouldn't have done it. If you read the article it does state that they have much higher sales from Android devices, like every network operator now.

My guess is that they know a hell of a lot more about the market than you or I.
 
MacAddict1978 said:
The state of Florida is larger than England and has more population.
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Florida: 170,304 km2 and population of 18,801,310 (2010 Census)

England: 130,395 km2 and population of 51,446,000 (2008)

But England is only one of the kingdoms of Great Britain, the place I think you referred by England

Great Britain: 229,848 km2 and population of 60,003,000 (mid-2009 est.)
 
Oletros said:
Florida: 170,304 km2 and population of 18,801,310 (2010 Census)

England: 130,395 km2 and population of 51,446,000 (2008)

But England is only one of the kingdoms of Great Britain, the place I think you referred by England

Great Britain: 229,848 km2 and population of 60,003,000 (mid-2009 est.)
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Our population still pales in comparison to the world 7 billion mark that was hit the other day!! Another 10 years and we'll start to worry how we'll feed ourselves :rolleyes:
 
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Nope, we hardly have 60% of population 3G coverage.

Greedy O2, they were used to sell the previous iPhones quite expensive, but since last month we can order iP 4s from apple.cz for much lower prices than the operators were offering. We can ale buy iPhone from Vodafone or T-Mobile (all come unlocked).
 
paul4339 said:
We don't know what the details of the business terms are ...

BUT, Verizon and Sprint are examples of much bigger companies that dealt with Apple. Both suffered by not carrying the iphone and in the end eventually settled..
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Your comparison is wrong. In the USA since recently you could ONLY get an iPhone combined with a contract. In the EU this is not the case. Many just buy a phone and use whatever SIM that suits them.

This said, I doubt the Czec carrier will loose anything since they most likely make their money from the subscribers and not from phone sales. There will be also outside phone buyers which may use their network.
 
World Citizen said:
It all gets down to this...

They don't get the fact that support is the most costly thing there is.

They can sell millions of phones but they will get more support. They won't give the support the costumer needs... because they will send them to the manufacturer of the phone... And they don't support them because the phone is operator branded...

The usual costumer wil fall for this maybe twice, but the they don't want this anymore... and will change providers or will change manufacturers...

Eventually Apple wins...
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Consultant said:
They don't realize that Apple handles iPhone support and saves carrier money.
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Isn't that US only? Atleast when I worked at AppleCare over here in Europe we didn't support iPhone under any circumstances, we always referred the customer to the carrier from which they had bought the phone and if it was bought directly from Apple in another country we referred (not transferred) to AppleCare in that country.
Apple later started selling unlocked iPhones here but I know AppleCare still never supports an iPhone that was bought from a carrier, only the ones that were bought directly from Apple.
 
flameproof said:
Your comparison is wrong. In the USA since recently you could ONLY get an iPhone combined with a contract. In the EU this is not the case. Many just buy a phone and use whatever SIM that suits them.
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And yet, carriers who do offer the iPhone do boast about it as much as they can - for example, typically keeping a page for the iPhone apart from the rest of their cellphone offer.

flameproof said:
This said, I doubt the Czec carrier will loose anything since they most likely make their money from the subscribers and not from phone sales.
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So you think what the USA carriers are saying about iPhone availability being a big asset is different here in Europe?

Strange. I myself did switch carriers (and got into a contract) because of the iPhone...
 
Lennholm said:
Isn't that US only? Atleast when I worked at AppleCare over here in Europe we didn't support iPhone under any circumstances, we always referred the customer to the carrier from which they had bought the phone and if it was bought directly from Apple in another country we referred (not transferred) to AppleCare in that country.
Apple later started selling unlocked iPhones here but I know AppleCare still never supports an iPhone that was bought from a carrier, only the ones that were bought directly from Apple.
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My Movistar iPhone 3G problems were carried first by Movistar and then by Apple
 
The Czech Carrier knew how to cut their losses. Good luck to you and your future endeavors.
 
mijail said:
And yet, carriers who do offer the iPhone do boast about it as much as they can - for example, typically keeping a page for the iPhone apart from the rest of their cellphone offer.
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This is correct. But I guess you have to look into individual carriers and how their numbers add up, and how competetive their market environment is. CZ is a rather small, but still has several carriers, hence fierce competition.

I presume the carriers also have to pay a 'iTunes' fee on the monthly revenue. Plus a fee to start something with Apple. Otherwise negotiations in some places wouldn't be so difficult.

And maybe carriers in some countries are more profitable then in others.

There can be 1000's of reasons not to bundle the iPhone with a contract.
 
arkmannj said:
Apple just needs to buy some telecoms and start offering its own service.
They could kill voice service and basically make it just a data service (VOIP for phone calls)
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i respectfully disagree with you here. Skype is one of the biggest names in VoIP industry and now Google Voice is catching up fast but still relatively smaller companies like Vonage, Axvoice, Packet 8 do exist. Apple is a product maker and when it comes to delivering service, they will need to rely on service providers. Never underestimate the power of any service provider because they can make manufacturers go run for their investments if they don't support their hardware or software.
 
mijail said:
Care to pinpoint where in Europe is that? Because I would say that doesn't ring true in Poland nor in Spain.

Or maybe it's that the iPhone is insanely, mindbogglingly popular in the US, even more than here? Must be boring, because whenever I pop into a bus or coffe shop here, most computers and phones I see are Apple's...
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Get out of Starbucks once in a while dude.
Both Warsaw and Madrid which I visit often are concentrated towards android. You spot apple devices cause they are mostly white so they take your attention and the rest stays in the shadow.
fanboys are always louder but so is every minority. It's just how it works.
 
D4F said:
Get out of Starbucks once in a while dude.
Both Warsaw and Madrid which I visit often are concentrated towards android. You spot apple devices cause they are mostly white so they take your attention and the rest stays in the shadow.
fanboys are always louder but so is every minority. It's just how it works.
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Dude, are those louder fanboys also obnoxiously acting like they know for a fact what are the proportion of iOS/Android devices in the cafeterias I go to? If they do, then I know one!

Another fact you will like: last I am hearing from my circle in Spain, there are lots of people buying into the recent dump of cheap Blackberrys. And yet, I still heard of no one buying Androids.

Will you also tell me now how many people in my circle are in fact buying Android? C'mon, make my day!
 
mijail said:
Dude, are those louder fanboys also obnoxiously acting like they know for a fact what are the proportion of iOS/Android devices in the cafeterias I go to? If they do, then I know one!

Another fact you will like: last I am hearing from my circle in Spain, there are lots of people buying into the recent dump of cheap Blackberrys. And yet, I still heard of no one buying Androids.

Will you also tell me now how many people in my circle are in fact buying Android? C'mon, make my day!
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Your circle is not the world.

The number of Android devices I see while commuting, in bars and while walking at least in Barcelona is the same or more than iPhones.
 
Oletros said:
Your circle is not the world.

The number of Android devices I see while commuting, in bars and while walking at least in Barcelona is the same or more than iPhones.
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lol more of this. Your circle is not the world, either...How do people make mental notes about the types of phones they see, and then have a count in their head that makes them confident enough to say its the same or more as something else?

Anecdotal evidence is always the best. :rolleyes:
 
Oletros said:
lol more of this, I haven't talked about MY circles as he has.

Why do you try to look always as one that doesn't read what is written?
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Semantics, right? He talked about his circles, you talked about random people you see at a bar. Does the people you see somehow trump those that he sees? Would him saying the people he saw at the bar instead of those in his circle somehow make him right?

Like I said...anecdotal evidence is always the best. :rolleyes:
 
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