D300 or D700 for premiere cc, logic and audition

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  1. td2243 macrumors 6502

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    Hey guys,

    I need the Macrumors expert opinions. Now that the new MP has been out a solid month now, would y'all recommend the D300 or D700 for these programs:

    Premiere Pro CC
    Audition
    occasional After Effects
    Logic X


    The reason I'm asking is that there seems to be little difference between the d300 and D500 according to most. Obviously, the D700 is the best, but where will I see the difference in those programs, if at all. Another thread talks about how Premiere is less than stellar .... For now. Will the better GPUs make any difference for the time being? Or is it solely waiting for the software companies to catch up before any difference between the D300 and D700 will be seen.

    Thanks for the help.
     
  2. derbothaus macrumors 601

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    Premier and After Effects. Nothing of importance right now for audio.
     
  3. jasonvp macrumors 6502a

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    It would seem pointless to me to save money on the D700s by getting the D300s, after spending so much on the Mac Pro to begin with. They're nearly a free upgrade. Just option them up and forget about it.

    Premiere Pro CC will take advantage of both GPUs on export only (so far), while using a single one for playback with effects. AE, on the other hand, is a CPU hog and wants lots of fast cores. It won't benefit much from any GPU grunt.
     
  4. Sharky II macrumors 6502a

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    £800 for the D700's is not exactly a 'free upgrade'
     
  5. jasonvp macrumors 6502a

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    Careful reading will reveal that I said "after spending so much on the Mac Pro to begin with."
     
  6. yauwing macrumors newbie

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    After Effects do support OpenGL as below:

    http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2012/05/gpu-cuda-opengl-features-in-after-effects-cs6.html

    How much D700 can improve vs D300 depends a lot on the actual work. If the works needs a lot of video rendering, it is a no-brainer to go for D700.

    If not, the extra cost to upgrade to D700 may end up more productive if used for increase the SSD or RAM size or upgrade CPU.
     
  7. jasonvp macrumors 6502a

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    OpenGL is not the same as OpenCL. Yes, the video card does help with OpenGL displaying stuff on the screen, but the effect it'll have on someone's workflow is minimal.
     
  8. yauwing macrumors newbie

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    Actually, the link mentioned quite a bit about CUDA, and some 3D features will only accelerate on Nvidia card using CUDA - I would be very surprised if Adobe was not working hard to convert their CUDA code to OpenCL.

    In my opinion, future version of Audition may also benefit a lot using OpenCL - processing multi channels/tracks of audio in parallel sounds like something suitable for OpenCL
     
  9. Sharky II macrumors 6502a

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    Your dryness is appreciated, but £800 is £800. Just because you spend £2500 on a 6 core machine, it hardly makes £800 seem 'free'. It's another THIRD in price of the entire thing.
     
  10. td2243 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You would think, but if Premiere isn't optimized for two GPUs, will it make a difference? That's what I'm getting at.

    I'm sure the D700s make a big difference with FCPX, but is there such a noticeable difference on other programs? My wallet sure can feel the $800 difference. :)

    My hunch is, like others have said, that Adobe is working in this and early adopters have to sit tight. Granted, for my wife and I, $4500+ is a lot to gamble on a hope that programs I use will take advantage of the two GPUs in a really substantial way.
     
  11. yauwing macrumors newbie

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    Latest version of Premiere Pro cc is already using both GPUs of Mac Pro for video rendering - I would say it is reasonably well optimized.

    Other Premiere tasks are only using single GPU though.

    http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2014/01/newgpusincc.html
     
  12. phrehdd macrumors 68040

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    While not related to the particular applications stated, this is an interesting read -

    http://www.barefeats.com/tube05.html

    For some applications, it appears the hex with the d500 is a good choice and for some apps, the "sweet spot."
     
  13. AnalyzeThis, Jan 29, 2014
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    NEITHER. May be Adobe will support ATI in the future (most likely as they have no choice in nMP). All other Apps care less about your Video. This is why mac-mini is so popular among musicians. I will repeat again, mac mini, mini, miiiniii, mi, mi, mini. You can get it for spare change when compared to nMP cost.
     
  14. td2243 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    A mini won't really cut it for editing video with effects and such. Right?
     
  15. yauwing macrumors newbie

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    In my opinion, if your budget was just a little more than 4500 dollars then a D700 system will give you a system with too few RAM and only 256G SSD. May be you want to consider a 6 cores, 32GB RAM 512 GB SSD D500 system?
     
  16. td2243 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    We have a friend who is an employee, so we are counting on a pretty good discount.
     

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