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David Pogue: New iMacs and Mac Pros Coming 'Probably in 2013' [Update]
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Someone has to write OS X drivers and get income from that. Mac specific cards solve that issue as they can be priced to cover the development and support costs.
I'm surprised the professionals haven't all gone on strike yet. That'll teach the consumers...
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I'm sorry, Captain Picard, but I'm not breaking the law.
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I'm sorry, Captain Picard, but I'm not breaking the law.
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First, sorry MacPro crowd
Second, to those of us that have waited for an iMac update
For me, the iMac is the most attractive of Apple's line due to my above average needs, and home entertainment extendability (leveraging it as a TV/Gaming monitor). I question whether it will still be the best bang for the average users buck once the retina screen is implmented. The retina should easily push the base model over the $2000 price point; therefore, does the new MBP take the iMac's place as the value buster?
Of course, a $2000 iMac that's re-design is based around the rumored Apple TV is a different story. Why wouldn't Apple re-fresh (and position) the iMac along with its TV line? But then again, would Apple really split the spotlight up?
I think the aforementioned is likely, but I'd expect the refresh to be pretty major. If I had to guess, I would say that 1. it would be much, much thinner 2. it would have a mounting option 3. Apple TV functionality built-in 4. Multiple HDMI inputs (largely for compatibility with receivers) 5. More microphones 6. "potentially", motion controls (for gaming) 7. Biggest of all I'd expect the screen sizes to change
With the potential for Apple TV integration, I think you see the max screen size shoot up from 27 to 32...which further positions the iMac as a multi-duty device. That screen size gives you a nice desktop built within a good sized office/spare room tv. There's nothing wrong with the 27" monitor, but 32" & 33" are two of the most popular television sizes amongst consumers I doubt Apple ignores that.
This is all just guessing from an un-educated/un-informed mind, but I really thing we're going to see a line blurred between TV and iMac, with the desktop separation occuring with MacMini and MacPro. And once the "blurring" happens, I worry how far the price tag of the iMac is going to get pushed.
Second, to those of us that have waited for an iMac update
For me, the iMac is the most attractive of Apple's line due to my above average needs, and home entertainment extendability (leveraging it as a TV/Gaming monitor). I question whether it will still be the best bang for the average users buck once the retina screen is implmented. The retina should easily push the base model over the $2000 price point; therefore, does the new MBP take the iMac's place as the value buster?
Of course, a $2000 iMac that's re-design is based around the rumored Apple TV is a different story. Why wouldn't Apple re-fresh (and position) the iMac along with its TV line? But then again, would Apple really split the spotlight up?
I think the aforementioned is likely, but I'd expect the refresh to be pretty major. If I had to guess, I would say that 1. it would be much, much thinner 2. it would have a mounting option 3. Apple TV functionality built-in 4. Multiple HDMI inputs (largely for compatibility with receivers) 5. More microphones 6. "potentially", motion controls (for gaming) 7. Biggest of all I'd expect the screen sizes to change
With the potential for Apple TV integration, I think you see the max screen size shoot up from 27 to 32...which further positions the iMac as a multi-duty device. That screen size gives you a nice desktop built within a good sized office/spare room tv. There's nothing wrong with the 27" monitor, but 32" & 33" are two of the most popular television sizes amongst consumers I doubt Apple ignores that.
This is all just guessing from an un-educated/un-informed mind, but I really thing we're going to see a line blurred between TV and iMac, with the desktop separation occuring with MacMini and MacPro. And once the "blurring" happens, I worry how far the price tag of the iMac is going to get pushed.
"Later next year."
That is an ambiguous and troubling expression. Is it supposed to mean "later" as in next year or later in the next year as in late next year?
That does not show me much either in terms of the timing or the commitment to keeping hardware current, most especially the Mac Pro. This is especially true in that Apple are using a only slightly worked over Intel reference platform logic board. Just how hard would it have been to have updated the CPU, if nothing else. And what about the odd number of RAM slots (6). With dual channel RAM the logical progression is from 4 to 8, not 6. There are tests out there that have shown that RAM in all 6 slots actually slows some operations compared to 4.
I am left to draw only a few possible conclusions. Number one is that Apple simply are not capable of keeping its entire hardware lineup up-to-date in a timely fashion. Number two is related to number one in that the company consequently places a very low priority on projects that are not their best sellers. While prioritizing the allocation of resources to projects which generate the greatest revenue/profits for a company is logical, one must ask just why it is that over a number of years the company have chosen not to bring on enough personnel to handle the situation. Given just these two hypotheses, it seems unnecessary to immediately consider others as these two alone virtually dictate the stagnation of the Mac Pro, resultant declining sales, and, eventually, its demise. If one must consider another possibility, remember Apple's continuing position that it is a consumer company and Mac Pros are, well, for Pros (supposedly).
I am also taken by the very strange manner in which Tim would choose to make a statement affirming the company's intention to continue development of the Mac Pro in particular. I just can not take it at face value. It does not "add up" to me. I would not take the Mac Pro off the proverbial "death watch". Many people who depend upon productivity have already left the platform and more are sure to follow. At some point it becomes a self reinforcing phenomena...a death spiral.
It certainly seems logical that the company will continue development of the iMac. After all, sales are still good and it is little more than an outgrowth of the laptop platform. It is still very, very odd that the company will not have an meaningful update of the iMac this year.
All in all, I thought the Keynote speech showed more weakness than strength.
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That's Captain Picard to you.
That is an ambiguous and troubling expression. Is it supposed to mean "later" as in next year or later in the next year as in late next year?
That does not show me much either in terms of the timing or the commitment to keeping hardware current, most especially the Mac Pro. This is especially true in that Apple are using a only slightly worked over Intel reference platform logic board. Just how hard would it have been to have updated the CPU, if nothing else. And what about the odd number of RAM slots (6). With dual channel RAM the logical progression is from 4 to 8, not 6. There are tests out there that have shown that RAM in all 6 slots actually slows some operations compared to 4.
I am left to draw only a few possible conclusions. Number one is that Apple simply are not capable of keeping its entire hardware lineup up-to-date in a timely fashion. Number two is related to number one in that the company consequently places a very low priority on projects that are not their best sellers. While prioritizing the allocation of resources to projects which generate the greatest revenue/profits for a company is logical, one must ask just why it is that over a number of years the company have chosen not to bring on enough personnel to handle the situation. Given just these two hypotheses, it seems unnecessary to immediately consider others as these two alone virtually dictate the stagnation of the Mac Pro, resultant declining sales, and, eventually, its demise. If one must consider another possibility, remember Apple's continuing position that it is a consumer company and Mac Pros are, well, for Pros (supposedly).
I am also taken by the very strange manner in which Tim would choose to make a statement affirming the company's intention to continue development of the Mac Pro in particular. I just can not take it at face value. It does not "add up" to me. I would not take the Mac Pro off the proverbial "death watch". Many people who depend upon productivity have already left the platform and more are sure to follow. At some point it becomes a self reinforcing phenomena...a death spiral.
It certainly seems logical that the company will continue development of the iMac. After all, sales are still good and it is little more than an outgrowth of the laptop platform. It is still very, very odd that the company will not have an meaningful update of the iMac this year.
All in all, I thought the Keynote speech showed more weakness than strength.
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That's Captain Picard to you.
Price was reduced, and is certainly a viable option. I suppose it really depends on what she does with her 1,1 and what she hopes to do with a new system.
My 1,1 at home I had intended to replace with the non-existent Ivy Bridge Mac Pro that wasn't released this week
and convert it into a full on server to replace an even older machine
Lucky. My iMac can't act just as a monitor, which is very stupid if you ask me. Is there some way to get VGA video input into an iMac screen (in a broken iMac)?
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That's Captain Picard to you.
Fixed.
Actually he is delivering in 4k, but that wasn't the point. The point was that an indie was shooting 5k on a RED. An the troll was saying nobody shoots that high of a res. If an indie is shooting 5k, all out pros sure as heck are shooting at 5k (or better).
http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=515815
The latency is pretty terrible, so I generally stear away from playing hockey or FPS, but otherwise, it works 'ok'. Not sure what part of your iMac is broken, though?
I don't think Apple fully realized the potential, and obsession people would have, of leveraging their iMacs for monitors/tvs. The commercialization of hacking hardware, however, didn't really come about until after the last iMac re-fresh. I hope/believe they'll take this new culture into consideration, and make it much easier to leverage your iMac in this fashion. In addition, this seems like another strong piece of evidence as to why Apple may be waiting on their TV product line to solidify. I fear the iMac is going to enter a new market space vs. refresh.
The move to let the pros die is flat out dumb. The creative pros kept the company alive - there wouldn't have been "Apple, Inc." if it weren't for the pros in the trenches all those years.
That said. Sony has both a consumer and a pro division. The pro division keeps them cutting edge. Apple should have an actual "pro division" in case the interest in the toys dies down. The other thing is that tech keeps getting better - who can say if an innovator down the road makes a better mousetrap (device). Having a strong computer division might be a life saver down that road. Even if the pro division only breaks even it is worth it as a "just in case" strategy.
Steve is gone, and he drove the innovation. I fear the corporate types who will rise to the top - and those types are usually mediocrities at best. I have looked at IOS 6 - you have maps and facebook integration. That is hardly compelling new tech! Without Steve to kick a** you may see many useless features and no innovation - just standard corporate "new and improved" which will be neither new, or improved.
That said. Sony has both a consumer and a pro division. The pro division keeps them cutting edge. Apple should have an actual "pro division" in case the interest in the toys dies down. The other thing is that tech keeps getting better - who can say if an innovator down the road makes a better mousetrap (device). Having a strong computer division might be a life saver down that road. Even if the pro division only breaks even it is worth it as a "just in case" strategy.
Steve is gone, and he drove the innovation. I fear the corporate types who will rise to the top - and those types are usually mediocrities at best. I have looked at IOS 6 - you have maps and facebook integration. That is hardly compelling new tech! Without Steve to kick a** you may see many useless features and no innovation - just standard corporate "new and improved" which will be neither new, or improved.
If your current machine is not working for you, get a new one.
If it IS working for you, keep working and there's a good chance a new one will come along.
If it DOESN'T come along, you can switch platforms and keep working, albeit at great psychic and physical and spiritual cost.
If you don't like the new ones, or the fact that Apple kept the platform alive for now, then by all means keep complaining.
I have work to do.
If it IS working for you, keep working and there's a good chance a new one will come along.
If it DOESN'T come along, you can switch platforms and keep working, albeit at great psychic and physical and spiritual cost.
If you don't like the new ones, or the fact that Apple kept the platform alive for now, then by all means keep complaining.
I have work to do.
Mac Pro users have indeed been abused the last few years but I'd be shocked if we don't see a major hardware upgrade next year. 20 pages of wining on the macrumors, and yet ya'll will forget you were ever ignored the second tim cook announces the newly designed mac pro packed full of a bunch of apple-designed parts with that **** eating grin of his. Look how long the last mac pro design has lasted them, they are holding off until technology dictates their design in such a way that it is clear they'll be on target with their design for another 10 years- and they will be right. there's nothing in the market to necessitate a major over hall quite yet...or until 2013 at least. Top priority has been to get their professional macbooks up to speed, now shut up and buy the new macbook pro pro, or whatever you want to call it (that there is no such thing as a macbook and yet there are two differently designed macbook pros is **** 'n stupid if you ask me.
TL;DR: bicker all you want, the second apple releases a completely redesigned mac you guys will be lapping that **** up like you were poisoned and clicking "add to cart" is the antidote. personally, i want it to be all black.
TL;DR: bicker all you want, the second apple releases a completely redesigned mac you guys will be lapping that **** up like you were poisoned and clicking "add to cart" is the antidote. personally, i want it to be all black.
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Sure, that is why it has PCI slots, to create possibilities. But not being able to use any of the six SATA ports for high speed data storage is somewhat limiting, not least because of space considerations (how to route from the PCI card slot to one of drive bays for a standard 2.5" SSD).
Um, you do realize those few slots Apple decided to give us, fill up rather quickly right?
I'm waiting for a worthwhile Mac Pro upgrade (yesterdays updates are too similar to my current 2008 8-core Mac Pro for me to bother upgrading) - but given Apple's track record over the last 3 years it doesn't surprise me.
What really would be shocking is if Apple didn't update the iMac's this year to include Ivy Bridge and USB 3 at the very least.
What really would be shocking is if Apple didn't update the iMac's this year to include Ivy Bridge and USB 3 at the very least.
It says right there in the end-user agreement that you can only install it on Apple hardware.
1) They aren't keeping the company alive now
2) They don't owe you anything, just like you don't owe them anything
3) You're not as important as you wish you were ("in the trenches" - lol)
My current iMac has a faulty GPU card (thanks to NVIDIA). I also have a G5 with a broken motherboard (thanks to Apple for making those pieces of trash). I can still use my iMac, but I have to run the fans higher, and it still freezes every day at least once (as opposed to every few seconds).
But that product you sent would not work for what I'm trying to do. I need something that can let me connect VGA or something into the wires on the iMac screen itself (taken from a disassembled iMac). Mine is a 2006 machine.
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Best advice, max it out on everything you can
When I get my 2008 Mac Pro, I'm going to stick every part I have in there. Firstly, my iMac's 2TB hard drive.
I suspect this is quick fix stop gap... Bump the specs with minimal engineering.
They are lingering with this and it's going to cause them problems - people will definitely switch. I am not buying this - 2 year old tech (1 year old CPU ) 3 year old graphics card and no upgrades
Ivy Bridge Xeon 54xx are pegged for later this year. With upto 16 cores.
So my punt is the the next pro will be modular like the RED cameras all linked via Thunderbolt. Buy as little or as much as you want.
CPU unit. This could be like a the mac mini+
SDD Boot Drive
On board graphics / sound etc - and with the basic interfaces.
Storage units. Choose your size. 4 - 8 - 12 drives.
interface unit - hold the PCI cards. Cho
Additional memory units
Will all be very clean designs though and slot together to create a whole machine.
The future is 1980s Stereo systems.
Of course I am half joking - it's against the Apple ethos to produce modular stuff. But I suspect that's the way the apple television will have to work. A great screen with an upgradeable plug in brain unit in the side - kinda like the latest samsungs
Oh and a retina iMac / 27" monitor with the same antiglare bonded tech - though the res is going to have to be massive ( but less exponentially as the viewing distance is more than a laptop ) - probably about 3840x2160
They are lingering with this and it's going to cause them problems - people will definitely switch. I am not buying this - 2 year old tech (1 year old CPU ) 3 year old graphics card and no upgrades
Ivy Bridge Xeon 54xx are pegged for later this year. With upto 16 cores.
So my punt is the the next pro will be modular like the RED cameras all linked via Thunderbolt. Buy as little or as much as you want.
CPU unit. This could be like a the mac mini+
SDD Boot Drive
On board graphics / sound etc - and with the basic interfaces.
Storage units. Choose your size. 4 - 8 - 12 drives.
interface unit - hold the PCI cards. Cho
Additional memory units
Will all be very clean designs though and slot together to create a whole machine.
The future is 1980s Stereo systems.
Of course I am half joking - it's against the Apple ethos to produce modular stuff. But I suspect that's the way the apple television will have to work. A great screen with an upgradeable plug in brain unit in the side - kinda like the latest samsungs
Oh and a retina iMac / 27" monitor with the same antiglare bonded tech - though the res is going to have to be massive ( but less exponentially as the viewing distance is more than a laptop ) - probably about 3840x2160
You know how they just announced that incredible new MacBook Pro? How about when the next update to the iMac comes around, there's a new, flagship model that packs in the power of a MP? An iMac Pro for want of a better name. May in one way explain the lack of both iMac and MP updates yesterday. And if a top end iMac had no HD or optical drive, that's a lot of space freed up that doesn't need to be filled by batteries. Just a thought.
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Yeah. And what makes you think that violating a user agreement is the same as breaking the law?
Agreed, though Intel at least went along with this blunder (though, sure Apple was in a strong negotiating position).
Yes, none of the options are appealing:
- add TB-less (m)DP ports (ie, what the graphic cards already have) to the Mac Pro & (m)DP-less TB ports, requires at least an external adaptor to feed these two into one combined TB port for the TB display to connect to, or a new 'TB' display which has both a (m)DP and a TB cable (and both DP and TB feed-throughs)
- convince the graphic card manufacturers to change the physical size of their cards so Apple can place a DP+TB combiner between the graphic card DP output and the physical end of the card which is normally flush with the back of the machine
- convince the graphic card manufacturers to design a TB input for their cards so DP and TB can be combined within the existing card dimensions
The last option would be the most appealing but I am not sure the low-volume Mac Pro would offer enough incentive for the graphic card manufacturers to do this (unless this solution would become common on PCs as well).