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Californians are voting next month on ending the time change and staying on DST all year long. In other words, more sunlight at night less in the morning. I think this is a great idea. I hate when it gets dark at 4:30 in the afternoon. I want kids to have more light to go out and play after school. Yes, its dark in the morning but who cares (maybe you), you turn the lights on in your house when you get ready for school and as you are going to work/school the sun starts to come up.


And for the love of baby Jesus, can we get on the freakin' metric system already?
 
Californians are voting next month on ending the time change and staying on DST all year long. In other words, more sunlight at night less in the morning. I think this is a great idea. I hate when it gets dark at 4:30 in the afternoon. I want kids to have more light to go out and play after school. Yes, its dark in the morning but who cares (maybe you), you turn the lights on in your house when you get ready for school and as you are going to work/school the sun starts to come up.


And for the love of baby Jesus, can we get on the freakin' metric system already?
If they would also have schools and even work start a bit later, that would certainly make it that much more manageable. But with some schools starting as early as around 7:30 AM, and plenty of jobs starting even before that, it gets kind of painful in a sense to not only get up but drive and start things while it's still dark essentially.
 
If they would also have schools and even work start a bit later, that would certainly make it that much more manageable. But with some schools starting as early as around 7:30 AM, and plenty of jobs starting even before that, it gets kind of painful in a sense to not only get up but drive and start things while it's still dark essentially.
Most high schools start way too early anyway. Teens need a lot more sleep than they get now.
 
Californians are voting next month on ending the time change and staying on DST all year long. In other words, more sunlight at night less in the morning. I think this is a great idea. I hate when it gets dark at 4:30 in the afternoon. I want kids to have more light to go out and play after school. Yes, its dark in the morning but who cares (maybe you), you turn the lights on in your house when you get ready for school and as you are going to work/school the sun starts to come up.


And for the love of baby Jesus, can we get on the freakin' metric system already?
As a native Californian (born in Long Beach, 1970) who lived in SoCal (Riverside County) from 1980 to 2000 I can honestly say that changing the clocks twice a year was something I hated.

I question California's choice of time periods (based on what you said) but I'd be glad if it passed for you guys since you won't have to change clocks any more.

That said, for the past 18 years I have not had to worry about any of that because Arizona (with the exception of some tribal reservations) does not observe DST and has not since it experimented with it in the late 1960s.

Arizona gets enough sunlight. Having the sun out at 9 or 10pm was just ridiculous and was the major reason Arizona stopped observing DST.

Hopefully Californians will see the light…
 
I find the concept of DST to be strange. The manipulation of the time that is displayed on clocks to give the perception of having for more light during a certain part of the day is just silly. Why do this? Can anyone give a good argument to why this is a good idea?

Even more strange is that for most states, this manipulation lasts most of the year, then it get corrected for a few short months. By the time people's internal clocks get used to the correction, it is almost time to change it again.

Californians are voting next month on ending the time change and staying on DST all year long.

I think having DST is pointless, but if DST was to happen, it makes much more sense to have it all year long than to switch back and forth.

I wished my state just got rid of it, but considering where I live, I doubt it would ever happen.
 
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I find the concept of DST to be strange. The manipulation of the time that is displayed on clocks to give the perception of having for more light during a certain part of the day is just silly. Why do this? Can anyone give a good argument to why this is a good idea?

Even more strange is that for most states, this manipulation lasts most of the year, then it get corrected for a few short months. By the time people's internal clocks get used to the correction, it is almost time to change it again.



I think having DST is pointless, but if DST was to happen, it makes much more sense to have it all year long than to switch back and forth.

I wished my state just got rid of it, but considering where I live, I doubt it would ever happen.
Well, I don't have a problem with people saying we could use more sunlight in the afternoon than in the morning but, like you said, I think we should have it all year long. If anything, I would do it in the winter oover the summer when the sun already goes down so early.
 
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Well, I don't have a problem with people saying we could use more sunlight in the afternoon than in the morning
I don’t have an issue with it either, but that isn’t really what DST is, well, depending on who you ask. Some say safety, some say it is better for the economy, and most people think that is just to extend daylight into the evening to make use of the daylight.

The official purpose of DST is basically a way of manipulating everything open and close an hour earlier to cut down on energy usage.

would do it in the winter oover the summer when the sun already goes down so early.
The argument against doing this is that daylight is already so short, so any benefit of energy savings that you would get during the summer would be counter productive during the winter. Example: using energy in the morning for lighting that you normally wouldn't need because the sun would be up already. The sun wouldn't rise until after 8 am for most of December and January if DST was all year around.

Now, I personally question if DST actually saves energy.

Every time there is a switch with DST, there is usually something in the news about how it doesn't really save energy. Actually, someone usually posts stuff like this on their forum around this time of year.

I would rather just get rid of it, or have it all year long so there wasn't the adjustment period of time.
 
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Indeed, we need to get with the times.
Sorry, not a metric person. I think that's a dead horse outside of the science/mathematics/tech industry.

As a night person who is forced to operate in a day persons world (who the hell decided for everyone else that 8am to 5pm was to be the work day and NOT 8pm to 5am?!!!) this has always sucked.

As a teenager in school I would have appreciated being able to show up after 10am for classes but 8am was dictated to me.

One of the best jobs I ever had was working for UPS from 9pm to 1am. It allowed me to be in bed by 6 in the morning and not have to get up until after 12 noon. The job I had after that had a 1pm to 9pm shift and I took it. But every job after that has been on a day person's schedule.

I know I'm in a minority, but I've always been a night person and this just blows!
 
Indeed, we need to get with the times.


Why??
Well, for a variety of reasons, ranging from children needing more sleep and being able to grasp more and in better ways when they have gotten more sleep and aren't as tired after just barely been woken up early in the morning, to it still being dark outside when children would be on their way to school given some rather early school start times. School going from somewhere around even 9 AM to something like 3:30 PM would be more balanced compared to something that's from 7:30 AM to maybe barely 2 PM.
 
And for the love of baby Jesus, can we get on the freakin' metric system already?

Metric time:

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"Remember this moment, people. 80 past 2 on April 47th!"

I don't prefer having to switch the clocks either, but I'm not sure whether it should be standard time or DST all year. If it's DST, that means people will going to school and work in the dark during the winter. Do we really need that extra hour of sunlight in the summer? It's kind of nuts when the sun still hasn't set at 9 P.M.
 
Metric time:

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"Remember this moment, people. 80 past 2 on April 47th!"

I don't prefer having to switch the clocks either, but I'm not sure whether it should be standard time or DST all year. If it's DST, that means people will going to school and work in the dark during the winter. Do we really need that extra hour of sunlight in the summer? It's kind of nuts when the sun still hasn't set at 9 P.M.


I love it personally. And I would rather it be dark when my day is getting started and slowly getting more light than having it dark so soon and having no light after school or work. Obv, YMMV.
 
Well, for a variety of reasons, ranging from children needing more sleep and being able to grasp more and in better ways when they have gotten more sleep and aren't as tired after just barely been woken up early in the morning, to it still being dark outside when children would be on their way to school given some rather early school start times. School going from somewhere around even 9 AM to something like 3:30 PM would be more balanced compared to something that's from 7:30 AM to maybe barely 2 PM.
You don't have any kids do you.

First off, a later time won't give kids more bed time, if they stay up later. If kids are not getting enough sleep now, then its the parent's responsibility to put them to bed sooner. changing a school time will have little impact on a kid's lack of sleep if they or the parents are undisciplined.

In many parts of the country its dark either at the beginning of school, or at the end (or both). Also changing the time to 9:00 has a horrible affect on working parents since many of them have to be in the office before 9:00am

Boston floated that idea around a little while ago, and they got a huge amount of push back because low income and middle income families have both parents working. For communities that bus kids, they get home so late as it is, pushing the time back further will mean they'll be getting home at 6:00pm or even later. That destroys the kids ability to do any extracurricular activities. They'll also have to stay up late doing homework, thus mitigating the desired affect of having them getting enough sleep.

Having kids go to school when its dark is not a horrible ordeal, many people around the world have been doing it for centuries and are not worse for the wear.
 
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You don't have any kids do you.

First off, a later time won't give kids more bed time, if they stay up later. If kids are not getting enough sleep now, then its the parent's responsibility to put them to bed sooner. changing a school time will have little impact on a kid's lack of sleep if they or the parents are undisciplined.

In many parts of the country its dark either at the beginning of school, or at the end (or both). Also changing the time to 9:00 has a horrible affect on working parents since many of them have to be in the office before 9:00am

Boston floated that idea around a little while ago, and they got a huge amount of push back because low income and middle income families have both parents working. For communities that bus kids, they get home so late as it is, pushing the time back further will mean they'll be getting home at 6:00pm or even later. That destroys the kids ability to do any extracurricular activities. They'll also have to stay up late doing homework, thus mitigating the desired affect of having them getting enough sleep.

Having kids go to school when its dark is not a horrible ordeal, many people around the world have been doing it for centuries and are not worse for the wear.
Thad's why I also mentioned work in my original comment. The changes would have to be somewhat more than simply changing a single thing basically. Which is part of what makes them that much harder to come about.

Not sure how darkness plays as much of a role when it comes to the end of school part of it since it certainly wouldn't be involved when we are talking about something like 3:30 PM.

And, yes, certainly kids have been going to school in the dark for centuries, and it's not horrible, just as they have also been walking for miles and miles to school before transportation was available. That's kind of neither here nor there. Things can and do change over time as our lifestyle and the world progresses in all kinds of way.
 
The changes would have to be somewhat more than simply changing a single thing basically. Which is part of what makes them that much harder to come about.
Exactly, lot of changes for little benefit.
 
I disagree, everything you posted, I refuted, sleep, darkness, later school times being more disruptive to families.
And I've commented on those aspects. Different people can certainly have different takes on something that can be fairly dependent on existing lifestyle. Sometimes it can basically mostly come down to agreeing to disagree.
 
Wait, so they are voting to stay on DST all year, rather than not observe DST at all like Arizona and Hawaii? I like the idea, but didn’t realize it was an option because of GMT.
 
I disagree, everything you posted, I refuted, sleep, darkness, later school times being more disruptive to families.
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I think high schoolers should start school later. They need more sleep then they are getting. Going to school that early isn't helping anyone. My high schooler is at school before my grade schooler is even awake.
 
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They did away with Standard time in the 70s, during the energy crisis. Kids had to walk to school with flashlights, because it was pitch dark at 8am.
 
The main reason kids are so tired is they are worked so hard in school now. Between sports, and hours of homework getting sleep seems to be the last on the list. I am in favor of year round DST. I hate when it gets dark at 4:30, and in the dead of winter it's dark when the kids go to school anyways. I love those late night summer evenings. Dusk until 9:00, the sun is up around 4:30 in the morning. So either way we have over 17 or hours of light in the summer and 8 or less hours of light in the winter.
 
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I think high schoolers should start school later. They need more sleep then they are getting. Going to school that early isn't helping anyone. My high schooler is at school before my grade schooler is even awake.
The high school in my town, has an earlier start but not by much. Conversely they have an earlier release time, but then they also have more extra curricular activities that would be impacted if the start time was pushed to much later time.
 
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