We have a couple of charter high schools in Phoenix that start at noon.
There's even one charter school that is online only.
As a teen I would have loved to have started later. I'm never fully functional before noon - even now.
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There's even one charter school that is online only.
As a teen I would have loved to have started later. I'm never fully functional before noon - even now.
This goes back to pre-industrial revolution when America was an agrarian society. In fact, DST goes back to that as well.
Early morning farm chores were expected to be done before kids headed off to school. DST was designed to bring light out earlier for that. As the year went on light stayed out longer which allowed children to get home from school and participate in harvesting.
In winter it didn't matter as much.
School starting this early then was actually a later start because kids were up at 5am or so to do the morning chores.
Now we have (and have had) a largely post-industrial, urban society that no longer needs to follow this routine. But the schedule is so ingrained that the business world also uses it.
People are resistant to change, even when they cannot explain with a logical reason why they shouldn't change. Thus, like most things, it's going to take the less-enlightened of earlier generations passing on before those things change around here.
I remember one year back in the mid-late 60's in CA where they kept DST for the whole year. It was a very strange feeling walking to to school at 7am and still dark outside. I don't think people realize how far west we are from AZ. Sunrise/Sunset times are considerably different. It didn't take long to adjust, but the idea of starting a bit later is a wonderful thought.
I personally loved it. Somehow, it felt like there were more possibilities when it didn't get dark at 4:30pm. I always thought I was getting cheated of "my" daylight hours in standard time as a child. Anyone else feel that way? Lol, now as a musician I've flipped flopped. I live at night ,and now to me the night has that air of possibility and excitement, or maybe I'm still refusing to grow up. As I get older (too damn quickly), I've put less importance on the logical and more on my personal quality of life, if that makes sense. Heart verses mind if you will. DST just "feels better" to me. I wake typically around 2-3pm, and go to sleep around 8 or 9am, nowadays, as it should be
. But performing musicians typically don't start until 8 or 9pm and don't get home till around 3:30am. Darn! I hate missing traffic jams My 2cts.
I personally loved it. Somehow, it felt like there were more possibilities when it didn't get dark at 4:30pm. I always thought I was getting cheated of "my" daylight hours in standard time as a child. Anyone else feel that way? Lol, now as a musician I've flipped flopped. I live at night ,and now to me the night has that air of possibility and excitement, or maybe I'm still refusing to grow up. As I get older (too damn quickly), I've put less importance on the logical and more on my personal quality of life, if that makes sense. Heart verses mind if you will. DST just "feels better" to me. I wake typically around 2-3pm, and go to sleep around 8 or 9am, nowadays, as it should be
. But performing musicians typically don't start until 8 or 9pm and don't get home till around 3:30am. Darn! I hate missing traffic jams My 2cts.
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I am most definitely not a fan of DST. My wish is to have standard time year around. During winter months it will not get fully bright until after 9am under DST. Further, children will have to get up and leave to catch the bus in total darkness. Not exactly safe from a parent point of view. Finally those who live in the southeast will experience longer days of very hot and humid weather under DST. FWIW, I am happier and healthier when on standard time.
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I don't prefer having to switch the clocks either, but I'm not sure whether it should be standard time or DST all year. If it's DST, that means people will going to school and work in the dark during the winter. Do we really need that extra hour of sunlight in the summer? It's kind of nuts when the sun still hasn't set at 9 P.M.
I'm sorry. Didn't your parents let you play at night in summer, as a child? Having that extra light in the evening was such freedom as kids in the summer. Life was hard enough but taking those hours away would have felt like prison to me. Seems this is all about the logical and logistics. How about the human experience? Kids NEED to experience that, and so do we. Imagine going to the river in June, and water skiing or to Yosemite, but awe! It gets dark at 5pm! Why bother? Vacationing, camping, actually going outside for a change.
I'm so happy I sent my daughter to a private school with very decent hours. The time required to do school, sports, and homework for kids in America today is ludicrous, just so we can be 17th in education, and an embarrassing 38th in math, and science. When Vietnam has better educational scores than us, after we destroyed it, says a great deal about how wasteful and ignorant our system is, but what it really says is, that parents are sheep. We're squabbling over an hour, when we should be kicking our government's a**s, and making this system "work for us," not the other way around.
Link: U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS Newshttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/
I payed taxes for my daughter's public education and tuition for her private education, I just realized if you want mediocrity, settle...and I never settle. So she got a great education and free time to be a kid, and it's paid off in her own personal happiness. in the end, isn't life about that? Sorry, ranting
Wow, San Gorgonio Pass resident.I remember one year back in the mid-late 60's in CA where they kept DST for the whole year. It was a very strange feeling walking to to school at 7am and still dark outside. I don't think people realize how far west we are from AZ. Sunrise/Sunset times are considerably different. It didn't take long to adjust, but the idea of starting a bit later is a wonderful thought.
I personally loved it. Somehow, it felt like there were more possibilities when it didn't get dark at 4:30pm. I always thought I was getting cheated of "my" daylight hours in standard time as a child. Anyone else feel that way? Lol, now as a musician I've flipped flopped. I live at night ,and now to me the night has that air of possibility and excitement, or maybe I'm still refusing to grow up. As I get older (too damn quickly), I've put less importance on the logical and more on my personal quality of life, if that makes sense. Heart verses mind if you will. DST just "feels better" to me. I wake typically around 2-3pm, and go to sleep around 8 or 9am, nowadays, as it should be
We (my wife and I) lived in Banning from 1998-2000 but before that I lived in Cherry Valley from 1982. My parents still live in CV.
Whatever way California goes, I hope they pick one. I always hated the time change and still do.
I am just the opposite, I had a 0615 start time for zero period. I loved starting early and then when not playing sports, I would get out by 1330 hours or earlier depending on if I had a seventh period or not. Loved it.
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I am in full agreement with this. I am finding the older I get, the harder it is to adjust to each time change.
I could really care less about DST always on or always off. I just want one or the other and to stop changing the clocks twice a year. That's the part I find most disruptive.
Also it should be standardized across all the states. Having to know the time zone of another state is enough. Having to worry about their DST status is too much.
DST is already 8 months long, just leave it for the other 4 months and be done with it.
Wow, San Gorgonio Pass resident.
We (my wife and I) lived in Banning from 1998-2000 but before that I lived in Cherry Valley from 1982. My parents still live in CV.
Whatever way California goes, I hope they pick one. I always hated the time change and still do.
Hey! Small lil' world, haha, maybe we shouldn't get to know each other
. My family has been in the pass since the 1800's. My great grandfather was shot by Willie Boy. I grew up in Banning, but moved to CV as soon as I could and stayed there till '99, when we moved to Idyllwild. I just moved back a couple years ago when I destroyed my knee, and had to have it replaced. No more mountain livin' for this ole' dog unfortunately. Until I moved back I had never lived in a town of more than 10,000 people, it was "wonderful," in a word. CV is exactly the same, I think, except for some development on the 10 by CV offramp. I bet we know a bunch of the same folks, you know how small that world is. Pm me if you want to talk. Thanks for the bump. They changed the name of Pass away hospital, haha. It's quite good now actually. You can understand why I talk about quality of life so much in this thread. It's as close to the country as you get in So CA. Here's a reminder Stock footage from the Banning site.. Looking up from Highland Springs.
I'll get back on thread now.