Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Somehow I seem to not find this is that much of a discount guess I'm keeping my old Mac book another year
 
Only 8GB. Pass.
web browsing and email can be done with a £350 Chromebook though?

$250 Lenovo Duet Chromebook offers about the same experience as my MBA M1 with Safari and with Chrome it's a little better but not 5x the cost better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MecPro
I've worked some crappy jobs in my time just to get by. Sometimes two of them usually 65+ hours a week.

Some included construction in a former refinery (filthy, disgusting work, with exposure to toxic petrochemicals) others in retail, worked at a fast food joint for a while, and at a seafood retailer.

When I was working ALL these jobs, my main concern was to keep a roof over my head and my bills paid. They weren't the best times of my life, but I did what I had to do. When I was working these jobs (despite having a full time job) a new laptop was never in the cards for me. Things like paying for housing, clothing, food, transportation, insurance all took precedence.

Even today, working a half decent FT job, after paying for my basics I couldn't see taking all my "disposable" income in one month to buy a laptop. I have to be ready for unexpected things like illness, car repairs, house repairs, etc.

So, even if I took ALL the income I have over the course of 4 weeks that didn't go into keeping me and my spouse warm and fed, I still couldn't plunk down for a $1300 laptop just for craps and laughs. I would have to save for it for several months, and maybe work a side job to make it happen.

Not EVERYONE is at the station in life where they can just drop $1300 for a laptop in one month.

If you're making roughly 7 Pounds/hr your focus in life probably should be elsewhere, not on a new lap top...

Poor Jeff Bezos is only making $14,200,000 an hour.
 
For the average user who isn't trying to encode 4K video all the time, as well as using Xcode, having 50 tabs open while trying to Zoom, 8GB of RAM is fine.

Even when I do a lot of swapping, my memory pressure is still staying in the green.

Average user won’t spend over $1000 for a laptop, let’s be realistic. I’ve worked in many retail spaces and there are much cheaper solutions for average users
 
My local Best Buy had a Space Gray MacBook Pro M1 with 512GB that was open box, marked as "satisfactory" with "residue" on the tag, marked down to $1,259. When we opened the box, it appeared 100% brand new, but there was a fingerprint smudge on the screen... It was in the original box, complete with original charger and unwrapped USB-C cord. The only thing missing was the Apple stickers. I snagged it up. It replaced my 2019 base 13" MacBook Pro TouchBar with 128GB. When I got it home, it was already updated to the latest 11.2.3, telling me the original buyer just bought it last week. I'm quite happy with the $240 savings for a week old machine. I went in with all intentions of walking out with a base 256GB for $1,199 ($100 off sale price).
 
Poor Jeff Bezos is only making $14,200,000 an hour.
I think you kind of missed the point.

I'm not standing up for Jeff Bezos, or any other gazillionaire. To even imply I am is disingenuous.

Whenever I was stuck working a crappy underpaid job, my focus was on maximizing my resources to better my lot in life. Not on buying high end laptop computers.

While university is no longer free in the UK, there's no upfront cost to enter and pursue an education that will rate you somewhat better than working the floor at Amazon for pittance. Repayment rates are based on salary earned after graduation.

I was a terrible student in HS. Best I could do or afford was community college. Took 2 years off between that and a full university to care for my dying father and help my parents pay their mortgage so they wouldn't lose their house. Then went back to finish. Decided to take on a civil service career that really doesn't pay well, but has a decent retirement and stability. I don't make a lot of money. Like most people, it's a check to check existence. I think people like Bezos, Zuckerberg, Cook, and Musk should be paying a LOT more taxes than they do. I also support a higher minimum wage, and strongly pro union (I'm a 3rd generation union worker. My father and grandfather were dock workers in the US, HS dropouts, and functionally illiterate. The union made a living wage possible).

But working at Amazon for minimum wages isn't a career. It's not something to be aspired to. It's a basic job. No one is going to make 25 quid an hour working in a warehouse.

I'm not buying a yacht and a private jet anytime soon. Because at my salary, it's not in the cards. I understand that, because I chose a life of public service. A low salary comes with the territory.

If you chose "warehouse worker" as your career, well that new MB M-1 is your yacht.
 
  • Like
Reactions: qoop
I think you kind of missed the point.

I'm not standing up for Jeff Bezos, or any other gazillionaire. To even imply I am is disingenuous.

Whenever I was stuck working a crappy underpaid job, my focus was on maximizing my resources to better my lot in life. Not on buying high end laptop computers.

While university is no longer free in the UK, there's no upfront cost to enter and pursue an education that will rate you somewhat better than working the floor at Amazon for pittance. Repayment rates are based on salary earned after graduation.

I was a terrible student in HS. Best I could do or afford was community college. Took 2 years off between that and a full university to care for my dying father and help my parents pay their mortgage so they wouldn't lose their house. Then went back to finish. Decided to take on a civil service career that really doesn't pay well, but has a decent retirement and stability. I don't make a lot of money. Like most people, it's a check to check existence. I think people like Bezos, Zuckerberg, Cook, and Musk should be paying a LOT more taxes than they do. I also support a higher minimum wage, and strongly pro union (I'm a 3rd generation union worker. My father and grandfather were dock workers in the US, HS dropouts, and functionally illiterate. The union made a living wage possible).

But working at Amazon for minimum wages isn't a career. It's not something to be aspired to. It's a basic job. No one is going to make 25 quid an hour working in a warehouse.

I'm not buying a yacht and a private jet anytime soon. Because at my salary, it's not in the cards. I understand that, because I chose a life of public service. A low salary comes with the territory.

If you chose "warehouse worker" as your career, well that new MB M-1 is your yacht.

"Because at my salary, it's not in the cards. I understand that, because I chose a life of public service. A low salary comes with the territory."

I think you deserve better.
 
For the average user who isn't trying to encode 4K video all the time, as well as using Xcode, having 50 tabs open while trying to Zoom, 8GB of RAM is fine.

Don't spread misinformation. Currently, it can use up all 16GB DRAM and create a swap file that may cause premature SSD wear with just a single browser tab. Probably a Big Sur OS bug that may be fixable down the road but that's the current state.

Would advise anyone looking to buy to pay attention to the issues in the M1 forums.

https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/apple-silicon-arm-macs.227/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ssd-swap-high-usage-of-terabytes-written.2284893/
 
Retail spaces, like what stores? Are you comparing like Apple to Lowes ?
No. I quite simply mean that a large amount of average users aren’t buying $1000 laptops based on what people walk into stores and buy.

There’s ACER, Dell, HP, etc who all provide “web and email” laptops for a better priced deal in comparison to a MacBook.
 
Based on ? The rumor mill? You've actually experienced this and if so what app's were running
Please read up on ARM architecture swap disk utilization in relation to stack overflow issues. It’s an interesting area (especially with new chips.) They generally work fine in normally lightweight kernel but under significant load of modern flagship OS’s, 8 GB RAM is generally known to be minimal at best and better assumed deficient. Obviously it’s also fair to say, as you pointed out, a good amount depends on process and thread utilization. On the whole though, I really think what I said has to be disproven by Apple in the M1 architecture as newcomers (and beyond basic benchmark tests.) Even though a fundamentally UNIX kernel streamlined for the M1 should be fine, the services, and apps are key. The inclusion of 8 GB RAM strikes me more as a price wooing rather than providing tangible benefits to customers. These comments also wholeheartedly included the Intel lineup, but the post referred to M1 product. I’ll just skip the whole SSD degradation issue.
 
Don't spread misinformation. Currently, it can use up all 16GB DRAM and create a swap file that may cause premature SSD wear with just a single browser tab. Probably a Big Sur OS bug that may be fixable down the road but that's the current state.

Would advise anyone looking to buy to pay attention to the issues in the M1 forums.

https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/apple-silicon-arm-macs.227/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ssd-swap-high-usage-of-terabytes-written.2284893/
I didn't post misinformation. I just posted something you didn't agree with. I will state again, that the average user who uses the Mac for just email, browsing the web, viewing video on YouTube, and using basic spreadsheets etc. doesn't need 16GB of RAM.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.