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What will it cost?

I have Netflix streaming and while the selection of movies is not so great, I do enjoy the service for TV shows and the occasional anime that I watch. I wonder what they would charge per month if they had a streaming service with a much larger selection as well as more current movies?

Would people pay $29.99 USD a month if the selection was significantly larger than what is currently available for streaming with Netflix?
 
I was going to point out that technically ripping DVDs may be illegal (as ridiculous as that is) for home use but after thinking about it a little more perhaps you wouldn't have to rip the thing and that's the point. You just insert the DVD, Apple figures out what it is, and adds that movie to your iCloud catalogue.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but that is exactly how My.MP3.com worked, and UMG tried to sue them out of existence for their trouble.
 
I hope so, I just cancelled my Netflix subscription after I got the following lovely letter from their CEO.

Reed Hastings said:
Dear Dustin,

I messed up. I owe you an explanation.

It is clear from the feedback over the past two months that many members felt we lacked respect and humility in the way we announced the separation of DVD and streaming and the price changes. That was certainly not our intent, and I offer my sincere apology. Let me explain what we are doing.

For the past five years, my greatest fear at Netflix has been that we wouldn't make the leap from success in DVDs to success in streaming. Most companies that are great at something – like AOL dialup or Borders bookstores – do not become great at new things people want (streaming for us). So we moved quickly into streaming, but I should have personally given you a full explanation of why we are splitting the services and thereby increasing prices. It wouldn’t have changed the price increase, but it would have been the right thing to do.

So here is what we are doing and why.

Many members love our DVD service, as I do, because nearly every movie ever made is published on DVD. DVD is a great option for those who want the huge and comprehensive selection of movies.

I also love our streaming service because it is integrated into my TV, and I can watch anytime I want. The benefits of our streaming service are really quite different from the benefits of DVD by mail. We need to focus on rapid improvement as streaming technology and the market evolves, without maintaining compatibility with our DVD by mail service.

So we realized that streaming and DVD by mail are really becoming two different businesses, with very different cost structures, that need to be marketed differently, and we need to let each grow and operate independently.

It’s hard to write this after over 10 years of mailing DVDs with pride, but we think it is necessary: In a few weeks, we will rename our DVD by mail service to “Qwikster”. We chose the name Qwikster because it refers to quick delivery. We will keep the name “Netflix” for streaming.

Qwikster will be the same website and DVD service that everyone is used to. It is just a new name, and DVD members will go to qwikster.com to access their DVD queues and choose movies. One improvement we will make at launch is to add a video games upgrade option, similar to our upgrade option for Blu-ray, for those who want to rent Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Members have been asking for video games for many years, but now that DVD by mail has its own team, we are finally getting it done. Other improvements will follow. A negative of the renaming and separation is that the Qwikster.com and Netflix.com websites will not be integrated.

There are no pricing changes (we’re done with that!). If you subscribe to both services you will have two entries on your credit card statement, one for Qwikster and one for Netflix. The total will be the same as your current charges. We will let you know in a few weeks when the Qwikster.com website is up and ready.

For me the Netflix red envelope has always been a source of joy. The new envelope is still that lovely red, but now it will have a Qwikster logo. I know that logo will grow on me over time, but still, it is hard. I imagine it will be similar for many of you.

I want to acknowledge and thank you for sticking with us, and to apologize again to those members, both current and former, who felt we treated them thoughtlessly.

Both the Qwikster and Netflix teams will work hard to regain your trust. We know it will not be overnight. Actions speak louder than words. But words help people to understand actions.

Respectfully yours,

-Reed Hastings, Co-Founder and CEO, Netflix

p.s. I have a slightly longer explanation along with a video posted on our blog, where you can also post comments.
 
What is wrong with what they want to do?

That's what I don't understand. To expect a company to thrive by offering both for so cheap, especially now that movie studios are exerting power, is just not reasonable.

To me in makes sense. I personally dropped DVD service a while back because I am frankly too lazy to keep up a reasonable enough pace to justify the cost. While the streaming is limited, for $7.99 I am happy with the service.
 
I hope so, I just cancelled my Netflix subscription after I got the following lovely letter from their CEO.

Do you think Apple will let you stream their stuff to non-Apple devices? I didn't think so.

And do you REALLY expect Apple to have competitive pricing?
 
That's what I don't understand. To expect a company to thrive by offering both for so cheap, especially now that movie studios are exerting power, is just not reasonable.

To me in makes sense. I personally dropped DVD service a while back because I am frankly too lazy to keep up a reasonable enough pace to justify the cost. While the streaming is limited, for $7.99 I am happy with the service.
Perhaps you don't understand since it is outside of your usage. The DVD plan is what started Netflix, what made them a household name. They doubled the price as of this week of the low-end DVD plans, basically added $6-8 to everyone's bill. They tripled the price of Bluray recently. And now they send an "apology" saying we will make your experience WORSE to compensate for the higher cost. (worse by splitting the queue into 2)

They appear to have completely abandoned their customers in order to make a couple bucks quick, and likely dump the DVD rental side of the business soon. (this is the most obvious answer to "why") Very shortsighted, something their investors have noticed.

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Do you think Apple will let you stream their stuff to non-Apple devices? I didn't think so.

And do you REALLY expect Apple to have competitive pricing?
The :apple:TV price is very competitive. Everything else from Apple that relates to Netflix is a computer, and you can use any monitor or TV you want with their computers. (with proper connections, of course)

So....what?
 
For me, this would be welcomed news. I'm seriously thinking of ditching my netflix streaming account since the lack of quality movies on there is ridiculous.
 
While the streaming is limited, for $7.99 I am happy with the service.
I knew it was time to dump the streaming service when it became a chore to find something worth watching. By that point, they had eliminated more than 20 movies in my streaming queue.
 
That's what I don't understand. To expect a company to thrive by offering both for so cheap, especially now that movie studios are exerting power, is just not reasonable.

To me in makes sense. I personally dropped DVD service a while back because I am frankly too lazy to keep up a reasonable enough pace to justify the cost. While the streaming is limited, for $7.99 I am happy with the service.

What's not reasonable is to let the mega-corporations of this world control our lives and charge whatever the heck they want to charge. If you stop buying their services, they have to lower prices or suffer the consequences of dwindling sales (no profit means they will be out of business in the long run). If you keep saying they're not being unreasonable and pay anything they they ask for, they win and you lose. Period.

I've got news for some people who just don't see it. I see it everywhere in every facet of business and government. Corporations are taking over everyone's lives and they are taking more control of the reigns of governments all around the world every day. The small guys are all being bought out or put out of business and the billionaires of this world are controlling most of the world's money. And they aim to keep it that way. History teaches this lesson again and again, but consumers too busy texting their friends about the party tonight while this laissez-faire attitude prevails and all oversight of everything these companies do, from pollution to safety to pushing to start wars to get no-bid contracts so they can get even richer goes on in the background, unheeded and largely unnoticed while your friends all lose their jobs to near slave labor and the government tells you that there's NOTHING they can do about it because we live in a "global economy" now. No, they CAN'T put tariffs on American companies that ship goods made in foreign countries back to the U.S. to discourage outsourcing and no they CAN'T limit trade with Communist China so that things get made here instead (or at least don't continue to turn Communist China into the next real Superpower). No, their hands are flat out TIED and they CAN'T do anything to save their own country and that's because they're all a bunch of TRAITORS that represent their own personal interests above all else including the country itself instead of the people of the country they were elected to SERVE! :mad:
 
Will this mean that they will remove Netflix from the AppleTV? I hope not.

There is no way they would pull it. The only thing I'd worry about is them possibly doing something a little underhanded like they did with iBooks.


For those who don't know, Apple convinced the publishers to adopt an an agency model for licensing ebooks. This gave the publishers direct control over the retail price, with 70% going to them, 30% going to the retailer. Then earlier this year Apple started to enforce their own 30% cut on in-app purchases. This two factors combined mean a competing ebookstore literally can't make a dime within the app. And they aren't even allowed to put a link to their online store.
 
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Nice apology letter. "We're sorry for making dumb decisions, we'd like to offer another dumb decision to banish any thoughts that we know what we're doing."

Terrible move splitting the company in two. Now they have to market two products instead of being the one stop shop for home movie needs. That CEO is an idiot. It's funny that I'm positive I could do a better job and I'm just an average guy. I would be livid if I owned a large amount of stock in Netflix. They just signed their death wish the last couple months.
 
It is only competitive if you have to buy a device to watch Netflix. Otherwise it isn't...
Well, you can look up my posts on the original :apple:TV, I always equated it to a video cable, which are substantially cheaper. But, what other reason but Netflix (esp in this thread) and other streaming would you buy one for, anyway? The lowest price competitor (besides the video cable) is Roku, many others are far higher than these two. Roku and :apple:TV really have separate abilities, except for Netflix.
 
Well, you can look up my posts on the original :apple:TV, I always equated it to a video cable, which are substantially cheaper. But, what other reason but Netflix (esp in this thread) and other streaming would you buy one for, anyway? The lowest price competitor (besides the video cable) is Roku, many others are far higher than these two. Roku and :apple:TV really have separate abilities, except for Netflix.

I am just pointing out that Apple would be at a disadvantage for having a streaming service to compete with Netflix, when Netflix is already able to call every apple customer a (potential) viewer, yet Apple isn't able to do the reverse.

That is the downside to keeping something restricted to your own products. Another example would be FaceTime versus Skype.
 
The advantage Netflix has over Hulu is no ads. Also a lot cheaper then buying content from iTunes. The only way Netflix will die a horrible death is if the studios gang up and kill it.
 
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