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HA. Well I did say you can't *just* buy a Mac with more ram... but I can see where the confusion arose.
Yeah, I wasted my time explaining why you could buy one with more than 16 GB RAM, when that was never the issue.

I notice you didn't thank me for doing the work to find that 32 GB in stock MBP for you, or even acknowlege it. Isn't that what you said you regretting not pulling the trigger on at Apple's site refurb site?
 
Yeah, I wasted my time explaining why you could buy one with more than 16 GB RAM, when that was never the issue.

I notice you didn't thank me for doing the work to find that 32 GB in stock MBP for you, or even acknowlege it. Isn't that what you said you regretting not pulling the trigger on at Apple's site refurb site?
I didn't even realize the link or the image. That's basically what I was trying to get from Apple, though I don't need the upgraded CPU. B&H's price is about $510 more due to the processor and the lack of a discount, but it does seem like they are shipping in 2 days.

I have never ordered from B&H. Can I expect it in two days, or is like New Egg where the shipping time is tacked onto a week of order processing?
 
I didn't even realize the link or the image. That's basically what I was trying to get from Apple, though I don't need the upgraded CPU. B&H's price is about $510 more due to the processor and the lack of a discount, but it does seem like they are shipping in 2 days.

I have never ordered from B&H. Can I expect it in two days, or is like New Egg where the shipping time is tacked onto a week of order processing?
I've ordered from B&H. I've found them upstanding. For details on shipping times, I'd recommend calling and talking to them. Also: It used to be if you registered with them they'd cover the state sales tax (which you have to pay if you buy from Apple unless, of course, your state doesn't do sales tax). You could also ask if they have any recent returns that you could buy as a refurb--maybe you could score the 64 GB 2 TB model you want.
 
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Yeah. I really just want a 16" MBP for my bad eyes without an M1 Max/Pro. It's crazy to go from a MBA $999 to 16" starting at $2500 just because I need a larger screen (I'm a contractor so I cannot depend on having a large external display in random network closets and desks where I work).
It is annoying. You also get the higher quality audio and mini-LED screen, plus the ports for the money, but yeah, quite a huge price increase for just that. A same spec 14" vs 16" MBP is $150 price diff, so you'd think a 16" MBA would only be around $100-$150 more than the 13" MBA, and would sell well.
 
It is annoying. You also get the higher quality audio and mini-LED screen, plus the ports for the money, but yeah, quite a huge price increase for just that. A same spec 14" vs 16" MBP is $150 price diff, so you'd think a 16" MBA would only be around $100-$150 more than the 13" MBA, and would sell well.
Plus the unnecessary extra weight and bulk of the 14"/16" MBP's vs. a 15" Air, if you only need the performance of an Air. I also think the 15" Air would sell well.
 
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Great pricing compared to past models. Way better performance and was around the same cost as my base spec 2015 15”
 
Have been tempted to pick up this 16 inch model but I think I'll hold out for the M2 update. Being that this is an all-new design I don't want to deal with first generation issues. I also feel like they're going to put in FaceID in that huge notch.
 
@4jasontv How could 16 GB Ram not be enough for those few apps? Seems like a horrible design by Apple.

Is 32 GB the new 16 GB?
 
@4jasontv How could 16 GB Ram not be enough for those few apps? Seems like a horrible design by Apple.

Is 32 GB the new 16 GB?
It drove me crazy. I was editing an 8 min audio file in iMovie and zooming in and out of the timeline had a 2 second lag.
 
Ok. So where does apple have walk in inventory of 16GB MBP? Cause their website says just under two months.
I won’t give my location, but in my part of the US, there are multiple stores with them in the nearest city to me.
 
Too bad the higher end models never go on sale. I can't imagine buying a machine this powerful and only getting 512GB of storage and 16GB of RAM. My iPad has 1TB of storage and 16GB of RAM, lol. My 2019 iMac has 2TB of storage and 64GB of RAM.
 
WOW! It went down that much!! I mean BOOK the CRUISE!! LOL. I mean $250! Book the Luxury Cruise Ship!! LOL
 
I know it's always tricking to make predictions about what Apple will do, but I feel confident saying they won't do that—the old 16" MPB case is far too thick and heavy for an Air-class SoC. Same for the 15" MPB case that preceeded it. If they do introduce a 15" Air, it will take advantage of the low TDP of the M-class chips to be quite thin and light.

I could see an XPS 15 like design (so basically a 15" MBA) which would be fine for most users who don't want the Pro bells and whistles.

Personally, I find the "Pro" models to be too GPU/Video editing heavy. I wouldn't mind 64GB of RAM for development, you could do some great stuff locally (as long as docker/kubernetes/etc images exist for what you need on ARM). However, I have no use for all those GPU cores outside of rendering a few windows... So it would be nice if that 64GB = MAX requirement was removed going forward.

I had the same issue buying an iPad mini cellular here in Japan. I could walk anywhere and get the Wifi model, but the cellular had 3-4 weeks delay and is only available from Apple. The only way I could buy one was to walk into a store and buy the top specced model... which I presume you can also do with the MBP -- just at enormous cost!
 
Ok. So where does apple have walk in inventory of 16GB MBP? Cause their website says just under two months.
Well, as I already mentioned, B&H photo in NYC, for one. Plus my local university bookstore has 16 GB 14" and 16 and 32 GB 16" MBP's in stock (all base models--the 16"/32 GB is a base model Max). If you have a college affiliation, you should be able to buy from your alma mater's bookstore as an alum.

This one isn't mine, but just as an example: https://www.ucsandiegobookstore.com/technology/apple/macbook-pro
And if you're willing to go up to a 16" screen, you can get exactly the specs you want: 2 TB SSD, 64 GB RAM, IN STOCK.
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Great pricing compared to past models. Way better performance and was around the same cost as my base spec 2015 15”
I dunno, I'd say the new ones cost more, comparably spec'd.

My maxed-out 15" 2014 MBP, with 16 GB RAM, the fastest available processor and largest SSD (1 TB) was $3400.

We expect higher performance with later generations, so eight years later I'd say 16 GB RAM back then is like 32 GB today, and 1 TB back then is like 8 TB today. [At least 8 TB: SSD prices per GB have fallen 10 x since 2014--see link at bottom.] I'll grant even the lowest end MBP CPU and GPU represent a sufficiently sigificant improvement over mine that no upgrades are needed to those for comparability. Of course, the 16" screen with 120 Hz refresh is nicer, but we expect those to get better as well. So let's say what's comparable to a maxed-out 2014 MBP in 2022 specs is an M1 Pro with 16-core GPU, 32 GB RAM, and 8 TB SSD. That's $5300 compared to the $3400 I paid in 2014.


 
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I won’t give my location, but in my part of the US, there are multiple stores with them in the nearest city to me.
Weird that Apple's website doesn't show any 14" in stock with any zip code I enter.
Well, as I already mentioned, B&H photo in NYC, for one. Plus my local university bookstore has 16 GB 14" and 16 and 32 GB 16" MBP's in stock (all base models--the 16"/32 GB is a base model Max). If you have a college affiliation, you should be able to buy from your alma mater's bookstore as an alum.

This one isn't mine, but just as an example: https://www.ucsandiegobookstore.com/technology/apple/macbook-pro
And if you're willing to go up to a 16" screen, you can get exactly the specs you want: 2 TB SSD, 64 GB RAM, IN STOCK.
The problem with these third-party resellers is that you are either paying more for the same hardware or you are forced to buy specs you don't want to get some other feature you want. I am not paying for an M1 Max or a 16" display just to get 32 GB. My University doesn't have any stock, and even my local retailers are sold out. (Although I almost considered trying to order one from UCSD, but they don't have a base 14 with 32GB.)
 
The problem with these third-party resellers is that you are either paying more for the same hardware or you are forced to buy specs you don't want to get some other feature you want.
Not true. You said you regretted not getting the M1 Pro with 1 TB SSD and 32 GB RAM you saw on Apple's refurb site.

That model is available, now, with no extra specs, from B&H, for $2900, which is identical to Apple's pricing. B&H shown at top, Apple shown at bottom.

So why haven't you tried to purchase the one from B&H?

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Not true. You said you regretted not getting the M1 Pro with 1 TB SSD and 32 GB RAM you saw on Apple's refurb site.

That model is available, now, with no extra specs, from B&H, for $2900, which is identical to Apple's pricing. B&H shown at top, Apple shown at bottom.

So why haven't you tried to purchase the one from B&H?

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Spec for spec, Apple sells new MBPs for $330 less. But I wouldn't do this because I wouldn't pay for an upgraded CPU.
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It's $510 cheaper if you get an 8-core m1 Pro.
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Spec for spec, Apple sells new MBPs for $330 less.
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That's not true if you're talking about Apple's regular retail pricing; it's identical to what the authorized resellers charge. What you're showing is Apple's educational pricing. So your statement is highly misleading—you're making it look like the reseller is overcharging, which it's not because, again, you're comparing regular pricing from a retailer to educational pricing from Apple. If you want to get the 32 GB model B&H has in stock with the educational discount, you should simply ask them if they can offer you educational pricing as well.

But I wouldn't do this because I wouldn't pay for an upgraded CPU.
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It's $510 cheaper if you get an 8-core m1 Pro.
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You keep moving the goalposts. First, you complained that you couldn't buy a 32 GB 14" MBP without a long wait. Then when I did the work to show that you could buy one, immediately and in-stock, from a reliable authorized Apple reseller, you changed your tune to 'I can't buy a custom built-to-order MacBook Pro directly from Apple with educational pricing without a long wait'. And an M1 Pro MBP with minimum specs on the CPU and GPU, and maximum specs on the RAM, is certainly a custom BTO. [Not critizing your product choice—if I were in the market I myself would probably want a Max with miminum specs on the GPU/CPU, maximum specs on the RAM (64 GB), and a 2 TB HD.]

Your're going to have that computer for a long time, and you said 16 GB doesn't work for you. Why not just return it, order what you want, and keep using your old machine until the new one arrives? [Or if your old machine is kaput, maybe you could borrow a spare from a friend.]
 
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