kappaknight
macrumors 68000
Gotta say after having the glossy, the AG is a nice UPGRADE. Granted, I can't see the screen right now due to blurriness. I'm going to blame pollen, not the MBP though.
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Deconstructing the Anti-Glare VS Glossy myth. AKA beware of liars.
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Gotta say after having the glossy, the AG is a nice UPGRADE. Granted, I can't see the screen right now due to blurriness. I'm going to blame pollen, not the MBP though.
Did you use some type of sentence generator that strings together random words?
Can we move on to the conspiracy of boxer wearers against briefs?
adrian1480
macrumors 6502
this thread fails fundamentally.
you can tell who knows something about color accuracy (not the OP)...and who knows nothing about color accuracy (the OP).
I'll simply say that there's a reason photography professionals choose anti-glare: it's the color accuracy, stupid. Glossy is slighly more vibrant because they cranked up the color contrast. The result is a slightly more vibrant display, but one with crushed blacks and whites. If you know what crushed colors are, then you already know more than the OP...and you also--by way of critical thinking--understand why matte consequently becomes the best (read: only) choice for professionals who need color accuracy in their work...or regular old people who want color accuracy.
Nothing wrong with the glossy MBP screen if you're not doing anything professional. It "pops" more and will make stuff like movies look a little more vibrant (though you will still see the "crush" in darker films). But it's not a screen you want to do any real video, graphics or print work on. It's color vibrance is not natural.
I'd say more, but I don't even feel like being bothered. If you don't get it, go to an Apple store and do an A/B comparison on a glossy and matte screen with a set of 100 photos. pay close attention to what happens to the glossy screen in dark areas. Say...dark hair in front of a slightly darker backdrop. The hair will *disappear* on the glossy. The hair will still be visibly separate on the matte. It's the very definition of "black crush".
Good luck folks. But this thread really deserves to be locked for being abjectly ignorant and fundamentally misguided.
you can tell who knows something about color accuracy (not the OP)...and who knows nothing about color accuracy (the OP).
I'll simply say that there's a reason photography professionals choose anti-glare: it's the color accuracy, stupid. Glossy is slighly more vibrant because they cranked up the color contrast. The result is a slightly more vibrant display, but one with crushed blacks and whites. If you know what crushed colors are, then you already know more than the OP...and you also--by way of critical thinking--understand why matte consequently becomes the best (read: only) choice for professionals who need color accuracy in their work...or regular old people who want color accuracy.
Nothing wrong with the glossy MBP screen if you're not doing anything professional. It "pops" more and will make stuff like movies look a little more vibrant (though you will still see the "crush" in darker films). But it's not a screen you want to do any real video, graphics or print work on. It's color vibrance is not natural.
I'd say more, but I don't even feel like being bothered. If you don't get it, go to an Apple store and do an A/B comparison on a glossy and matte screen with a set of 100 photos. pay close attention to what happens to the glossy screen in dark areas. Say...dark hair in front of a slightly darker backdrop. The hair will *disappear* on the glossy. The hair will still be visibly separate on the matte. It's the very definition of "black crush".
Good luck folks. But this thread really deserves to be locked for being abjectly ignorant and fundamentally misguided.
Bobby you are so Pro Glare it's unreal.
Every thread on these boards relating to the whole debate of screen preference you are at the forefront forcing your Pro Glossy opinions on to anyone who listens.
Why do you care so much what other people have preference to?
The positives you list in "The Sound Approach" are quite funny, lets have a look and see which one you might prefer.
hmmmm I'm not 100% sure but is it number 2 you're not so keen on?
Every thread on these boards relating to the whole debate of screen preference you are at the forefront forcing your Pro Glossy opinions on to anyone who listens.
Why do you care so much what other people have preference to?
The positives you list in "The Sound Approach" are quite funny, lets have a look and see which one you might prefer.
hmmmm I'm not 100% sure but is it number 2 you're not so keen on?
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
I dunno, as far as real pros, I remember some guy talking about this and as a pro photog, he was saying that in fact neither one is more for color accuracy because photo accuracy is created in a controlled system where you have no ambient light and you don't have an advantage either way. The monitor needs to be in one of those dark booths or something.
So if you want to hold on to that dear spec of an advantage in some sort of pro sumer scenario, I would agree to that.
But remember that my idea is that we shouldn't be biased towards AG by leaving out its cons. That's my only proclamation.
At the end its up to everyones choice and their personal preference, but lets at least give them all the facts so they can make an informed decision and not get all biased and leave out critical information due to some hidden agenda involving a function over style attitude and a hatred/disregard for those who prefer the opposite.
daneoni
macrumors G5
This is not completely true. Colours may not 'pop' or be as 'saturated' like they are on glossy/glassy but colour reproduction on current AG screens is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination and is often just as accurate...if not better. Blacks are blacks and whites are whites.
This was one of the things i first tested as someone who swore by glossy and switched to AG. The norm governing AG screens of past generations cannot be transferred to the last two generations which are superior.
Bobby Corwen,
Does MacRumors have you on the payroll? They should, because your threads are the most entertaining on here. Usually it's all about sharing knowledge and identifying and working through problems as a group.
With you on the scene, they've added the element of absurdity in the most delightful way. It really breaks up the monotony.
I have a suggestion, though. Maybe whenever you start a new thread you should link to your video as a teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnlhU8zqY4w
Keep up the good work!
Does MacRumors have you on the payroll? They should, because your threads are the most entertaining on here. Usually it's all about sharing knowledge and identifying and working through problems as a group.
With you on the scene, they've added the element of absurdity in the most delightful way. It really breaks up the monotony.
I have a suggestion, though. Maybe whenever you start a new thread you should link to your video as a teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnlhU8zqY4w
Keep up the good work!
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
All the other threads turn into competitions of which side has the most people posting for their side. And I feel AG guys go out of their way to post a strong pro AG every-time just to justify their position.
This isn't another thread where every guy on here takes turns posting their personal choice and state their preference, this is a criticism of the bias in those threads.
milbournosphere
macrumors 6502a
In the photography world, maybe. But in the print/design world, I need a monitor that will give me a color profile that is true to the machines that will be doing the printing. A glossy screen is just too saturated to provide anything useful for matching pantones or some similar task.
And you do have a point, I guess glossy screens do provide a 'pro' for people that want that brighter, 'pop-ier' appearance. DVDs and games DO look better (if you're in the dark or are wearing glasses with a polarized coating
).Awesome. Yet another thread where someone is pushing their opinion as if it were fact.
I feel the Glossy guys go out of their way to post a strong pro Glossy every-time just to justify their position. Just like what you did here, it happens in every comparison thread.
I feel the Glossy guys go out of their way to post a strong pro Glossy every-time just to justify their position. Just like what you did here, it happens in every comparison thread.
You are talking about color accuracy on a TN panel. Seriously? Chances are if you are a professional you've got that MBP hooked up to a nice IPS panel, color calibrated with a nice hardware solution.
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
This one time, I told my dad I wanted to buy a new BMW and he got mad and me and said I am just wasting money and that I should get a good dependable car like a Toyota or something and not be stupid.
I ended up getting the BMW and dating this really beautiful girl and I enjoyed the car very much.
The point of the story is that my dad is an A to B kinda guy. He doesnt care about looks, in fact he let himself get over weight. He doesnt care about aesthetics, he has a Toshiba laptop, and he grew up on a farm.
This type of mentality kept him from seeing all of the elements in this particular decision. Yes a toyota is cheap and gets you where you need to go, but its not as enjoyable. (you all get what I am saying)
So because his brain doesnt involve the human element and human happiness, its not a complete and sound system of critical thinking.
Do you guys see the analogy I am trying to make?
Everyone picking AG is an A to B kinda guy. And they are going around giving one-size-fits-all advice to people who are; "the point of life boils down to the pursuit of happiness" kind of guys who would have otherwise enjoyed a Glossy screen more, because its more aesthetically pleasing, nobody's debating that fact, but now we have a whole polarizing debate.
Yeah its only glossy vs AG but there are undercurrents and elements which are very allegorically representative of a greater debate and life outlook.
The greater debate has deeper roots which adversely affect the accuracy of some of these choices and the advice we give out to people when in the end it should only be about the displays and the pros and cons between them.
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MuDPHuDStudent
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Gotta say after having the glossy, the AG is a nice UPGRADE. Granted, I can't see the screen right now due to blurriness. I'm going to blame pollen, not the MBP though.
That background is awesome. Where did you find it?
cambookpro
macrumors 604
I prefer glossy because the colours look nicer even if they aren't as accurate and it has the (nicer IMO) black bezel.
End of. Why should I care what everybody else thinks? I don't set out to force my opinions on other people. If you like AG, goodie for you. If you like glossy, goodie for you too. Everything doesn't have to be an argument. There are way more important things in life. (Like if I shoukd get the 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7... J/k)
End of. Why should I care what everybody else thinks? I don't set out to force my opinions on other people. If you like AG, goodie for you. If you like glossy, goodie for you too. Everything doesn't have to be an argument. There are way more important things in life. (Like if I shoukd get the 2.2 or 2.3 GHz i7... J/k)
While you are 100% correct the entire point of a laptop is portability. If, for example, I'm going to take my laptop to a client's office I'd want a display that's still truer to the final product even if it's not good enough for final color grading. Or I could do some work at a coffee shop and have significantly less clean-up to do once I connect back to my IPS display than I would if I were using a glossy screen.
GGJstudios
macrumors Westmere
This thread isn't deconstructing anything. All of these threads are an exercise in futility, because there is no definitive winner. It's purely a matter of personal preference. There are over 500 of these glossy/antiglare threads and not one argument is ever presented that hasn't been presented before. Do you honestly think you can say something that will cause those with opposing opinions to say, "You know, you're right. I'm wrong. I'm going to sell my (glossy/antiglare) MBP and buy a (antiglare/glossy) MBP tomorrow!"? It isn't going to happen.
The only irrefutable fact in this debate is this: Some prefer glossy and some prefer antiglare. Buy what you want and forget what anyone else says. You don't have to justify your preferences to anyone but yourself.
The only irrefutable fact in this debate is this: Some prefer glossy and some prefer antiglare. Buy what you want and forget what anyone else says. You don't have to justify your preferences to anyone but yourself.
MuDPHuDStudent
macrumors member
QFT. Seriously.
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
All I'm suggesting is that we don't leave out the cons of anti-glare when we recommend it to others as if they don't even exist.
squeakr
macrumors 68000
I agree. I like the AG better, but that is because i don't enjoy the glare and the screen is harder on my eyes after long periods of time staring at it (I have the AG and the wife has the Glossy so I do have access to both and prefer the AG). For me the Pros: Enjoyable and Beautiful screen doesn't apply (and is in no way a factual statement, as I don't enjoy it, therefor it shows bias the main complaint you had in your post but then used yourself).
GGJstudios
macrumors Westmere
There's the fallacy of the argument. I don't recommend either one to others. My recommendation is always to check them both out at an Apple store and decide for yourself. Knowing that it boils down to personal preference, it's not in anyone's best interest to buy either one based on someone's recommendation. The person who recommends one or the other isn't going to be stuck looking at that screen for hours every day; the buyer will. What you perceive as a disadvantage may be perceived by someone else as an advantage or a non-issue.
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