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Peter Franks

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Quick question, Sierra to High Sierra now shows a 'delete immediately', which I get would be useful if it was in docs or downloads or just about anywhere, but it's still only 'move to trash' there, except in the actual 'Trash'. That is the only place I see 'Delete Immediately' or 'Empty Trash'. What is the point of Delete Immediately, if you're already in the Trash and you 'Empty Trash', It makes no sense
 

iStorm

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It's probably just to clarify which type of delete it's going to do. To delete immediately outside of the Trash, you need to use the Option+Command+Delete keyboard shortcut.
 
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Peter Franks

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Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to see that option on right click, anywhere outside the Trash, instead of only in the Trash where it does exactly the same thing as Empty Trash?

It's the same as 'Empty Trash', not even Secure Empty Trash?
Just weird


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Does "Delete immediately" give you granular control, where you can choose to delete single items, where Empty Trash deletes everything in the trash at once?
 
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Peter Franks

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Does "Delete immediately" give you granular control, where you can choose to delete single items, where Empty Trash deletes everything in the trash at once?

Empty Trash deletes all of it. Delete Immediately only does the selected file.

Edit: Snap! :)

Thanks both of you, but I'm sure I could do that before in Sierra? I could be wrong. But if in Trash, it's there for a reason right? I think the 'secure delete' would be a lot more welcome than that one.

When I looked it up earlier, there was a pic of dropdown on File in menu bar that has the 'delete immediately', but I assume that's in the later OS, because it's not in High Sierra.
 

iStorm

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But if in Trash, it's there for a reason right? I think the 'secure delete' would be a lot more welcome than that one.
What do you mean by "secure delete"? 'Delete Immediately' in the Trash means it'll delete the selected file(s). 'Delete Immediately' outside of the Trash means it'll delete the selected file(s) without sending them to the Trash.

When I looked it up earlier, there was a pic of dropdown on File in menu bar that has the 'delete immediately', but I assume that's in the later OS, because it's not in High Sierra.
Does it change to 'Delete Immediately' when you hold down the Option key?

I'm running Sonoma, but here is what the File menu looks like when I have a file selected on my desktop.
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Here's what it looks like when I hold down the Option key.
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Peter Franks

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What do you mean by "secure delete"? 'Delete Immediately' in the Trash means it'll delete the selected file(s). 'Delete Immediately' outside of the Trash means it'll delete the selected file(s) without sending them to the Trash.


Does it change to 'Delete Immediately' when you hold down the Option key?

I'm running Sonoma, but here is what the File menu looks like when I have a file selected on my desktop.
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Here's what it looks like when I hold down the Option key.
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I may have imagined it, but didn't they use to have a 'secure delete' on Mac back in the day, and then removed it? No idea what OS, but a while ago, and wondered why they stopped it?

I'll check that out when I'm back, thank you for that.
 

DeltaMac

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"secure delete"?
Not a recommended function on SSDs
I think there is third-party methods to do the old multi-pass erase, but it causes too much wear on the SSD.
Apple removed that option on SSDs
 
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Peter Franks

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"secure delete"?
Not a recommended function on SSDs
I think there is third-party methods to do the old multi-pass erase, but it causes too much wear on the SSD.
Apple removed that option on SSDs
Ah, thanks, Wondered why that disappeared. As long as I didn't imagine it then.
Didn't know that, just had a memory of it being there, and then not. Maybe Snow Leopard time?
Thanks
 

DeltaMac

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The erase security option (along with secure delete) is still there, as long as you are erasing a disk that accepts that secure delete. Just mounted an external HDD (spinning hard drive), and opened Disk Utility, choosing Erase. There are security options, which do not appear when erasing an SSD. Apple did not remove the option, it appears when you erase a hard drive. Apple only stopped offering spinning hard drives in new Macs about 4 or 5 years ago, same time they dropped fusion drives. The option still appears, even in Sonoma. Hard drives are still in use, so users may still need that secure erase choice. It's just not available with SSDs.
 
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Peter Franks

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The erase security option (along with secure delete) is still there, as long as you are erasing a disk that accepts that secure delete. Just mounted an external HDD (spinning hard drive), and opened Disk Utility, choosing Erase. There are security options, which do not appear when erasing an SSD. Apple did not remove the option, it appears when you erase a hard drive. Apple only stopped offering spinning hard drives in new Macs about 4 or 5 years ago, same time they dropped fusion drives. The option still appears, even in Sonoma. Hard drives are still in use, so users may still need that secure erase choice. It's just not available with SSDs.
Interesting stuff, I had no idea, so it probably just went missing when I swapped out for the SSD. And never put 2 and 2 together at the time. Probably didn't even notice at the time either. Not used an HDD since, for many years. Thanks for the info!
 
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