I ordered a MBP on 29th Oct (I've never felt so dirty buying a new computer in all my life - a very weird feeling). Said "Ships 3-4 weeks". It said that when I clicked the buy button. It still says "Ships 3-4 weeks" in the my orders part of apple.com website. 3-4 weeks is 19th November to 26th November. The apple.com site says "Delivers 28 Nov - 5 Dec by Standard Shipping" in my account area.