Dell 24" : good investement ?

[Kwyjibo]

nobody around here likes this solution but just get a smaller monitor like 19" which will give you the extra space you need but you can spend about $200 instead of $700 ... heck you could get two.

not to nit pick but you can't invest in a computer, at best its a depreciating asset.

 

[budaapple]

20.1 BenQ

I have the macbook as well and bought the BenQ 20.1 monitor. It has the same specs as the 20" apple and was on Buy.com for $274. I did see it later on NewEgg for $289 with a 30 dollar rebate as well. The prices on these have really come down.Good Luck in your search!

 

[cr2sh]

I had to throw this up here.

I recieved my new 2407 (revision A03 ) today. Set it up and I don't have any banding issues.. not that I can find at least.

I had a 2005FPW and it just wasnt enough realestate... plus, the coolest feature about this new lcd is the built in memory card readers on the side.

Overall, it seems to be a very nice screen.. and well wotht he $600 I payed.

Go for it guys! Although the G501 speaker add-on isn't as good as reviews say it is... $30 not well spent.

 

[elbirth]

Overall, it seems to be a very nice screen.. and well wotht he $600 I payed.

Is that $600 US? How'd you get it that cheap, I haven't ever seen it below $700

 

[cr2sh]

Is that $600 US? How'd you get it that cheap, I haven't ever seen it below $700

It was a 25% off coupon that you had to have a premier account to use... I bet i can find another for you... just googling "Dell preferred account lcd coupon 25% off".

They're on ebay too.. although this isn't the same deal I used.

 

[elbirth]

It was a 25% off coupon that you had to have a premier account to use... I bet i can find another for you... just googling "Dell preferred account lcd coupon 25% off".

They're on ebay too.. although this isn't the same deal I used.

very nice indeed... I eventually want to get 2 more 2407WFPs (for 3 total), so I'll definitely have to look into that since I do have a Dell preferred account.

 

[themaze]

On my Quad G5 setup I run a 24inch Samsung SyncMaster 244T. It is pretty impressive. If you can find one on display you should check it out.

 

[PaulinMaryland]

Has Dell reduced the 24's resolution?

Flipping through the latest Dell mailer, I found a table that lists the 2407WFP's resolution as 1600 x 1050 (or 1080; whatever). Huh? The 2505FPW was 1920 x 1200. Is the 2407 spec a printing error, or has Dell actually reduced the resolution?

 

[Veritas&Equitas]

Flipping through the latest Dell mailer, I found a table that lists the 2407WFP's resolution as 1600 x 1050 (or 1080; whatever). Huh? The 2505FPW was 1920 x 1200. Is the 2407 spec a printing error, or has Dell actually reduced the resolution?

Printing error. For sure.

 

[suneohair]

nobody around here likes this solution but just get a smaller monitor like 19" which will give you the extra space you need but you can spend about $200 instead of $700 ... heck you could get two.

not to nit pick but you can't invest in a computer, at best its a depreciating asset.

No a computer is not an investment unless it makes you money. In my case it makes me money and I can have the ACD paid for with one job. The ACD is far superior to the Dell if you are doing graphic that requires color accuracy.

The weekend photoshop warrior need not apply. The Dell is a great a regular home and gaming display. It will not surpass the ACD in anyway. I am talking about the 23" specifically.

I had a 24" Dell and I gave my account somewhere around here. Basically it was a POS. And I dont want to deal with Dells lies. "We fixed the banding with revision A02". Bull, becuase my A02 was a piece.

Saving some money lured me in, but I learned from my mistakes.

And to save money I bought up some gift cards on eBay saving $150, plus I get the EDU discount. So I ended up paying a little over $800.

To close, a computer can be an investment if you consider resale value. For instance.

These 19" displays you speak off. In a year they will be worth squat and you will probably have a hard time selling them if you buy some no namer. Not to mention prices will probably fall. So unless you made money on the computer that money is gone.

Now consider this. I buy a 23" ACD, in a year I could easily get $800-$900 back from it. This is a benefit to Apples somewhat fixed pricing. Same thing with computers. That Macbook you buy today is going to hold its value, which you cant say the same for a Dell even with the same specs.


This model is seen in the car market as well. Look at Honda and Toyota. They have stellar resale values, thus offering a lower cost of ownership to the buyer.

So yes it is a depreciating asset. However some things depreciate more than others, which should be taken into consideration when you buy anything. If you like to sell for new things that is.

 

[cr2sh]

No a computer is not an investment unless it makes you money. In my case it makes me money and I can have the ACD paid for with one job. The ACD is far superior to the Dell if you are doing graphic that requires color accuracy.

The Dell is a great a regular home and gaming display. It will not surpass the ACD in anyway. I am talking about the 23" specifically.

You say that the Dell will not surpass the ACD in any way... but what about value? You seem to be ignoring the possibility of making money using a lcd that doesn't require spot on color accuracy. So I'm doing engineering work... I have a Dell and it saves me (at the very least) a hundred bucks... (at most $400) it does the same exact job as far as I can see.

So the Dell did surpass the ACD.. in value.

A pro monitor is a pro monitor and color accuracy is important to designers and photographers... but what about the other 98% of the working force? Which monitor is a better buy for them?

 

[suneohair]

You say that the Dell will not surpass the ACD in any way... but what about value? You seem to be ignoring the possibility of making money using a lcd that doesn't require spot on color accuracy. So I'm doing engineering work... I have a Dell and it saves me (at the very least) a hundred bucks... (at most $400) it does the same exact job as far as I can see.

So the Dell did surpass the ACD.. in value.

A pro monitor is a pro monitor and color accuracy is important to designers and photographers... but what about the other 98% of the working force? Which monitor is a better buy for them?

Did you completely ignore this?

"The weekend photoshop warrior need not apply. The Dell is a great a regular home and gaming display. It will not surpass the ACD in anyway. I am talking about the 23" specifically."

That pretty much sums up your argument. I am simply stating my opinion. FOR ME the ACD is the better value. Is that such a problem? You act as if I didnt acknowledge that the Dell is decent for most people. I will admit it may have been better for me to state it this way "It will not surpass the ACD in anyway, in terms of color accuracy". However I figured that would be a given from the context of my post.

You also assumed that I was saying no one else can make money from their computer. WHich I didnt. I am clearly talking about the graphics profession. If I did programming, there would be a Dell 2407WFP on my desk right now. But I dont just program, I deal with graphics thus my decision.

I am just giving the otherside of the field just as you are.

Since the OP never came back to follow up, there is nothing more to say really. He said he wants to use FCE, I am going to go ahead and guess that color accuracy is important for video editing. I am not video guy though.

I do know that CAD does not require color accuracy, hence your choice in display.

If you are going to refute my post, at least read it so you don't end up saying the same thing I said.

 

[cr2sh]

I must have misunderstood this sentence:

It will not surpass the ACD in anyway.

I thought it meant that the ACD is superior to the Dell in all ways. Period.

My bad.

And by 'weekend photoshop warriors' you must have meant engineers, lawyers, educators and bankers.

It's clear to me now. Thanks.

 

[suneohair]

I must have misunderstood this sentence.

I thought it meant that the ACD is superior to the Dell in all ways. Period.

My bad.

And by 'weekend photoshop warriors' you must have meant engineers, lawyers, educators and bankers.

It's clear to me now. Thanks.

Was that sarcasm? If it is, man you suck at it.

 

[cr2sh]

Was that sarcasm? If it is, man you suck at it.

I'm lost now.

So there are times that the Dell will surpass the ACD?

 

[furious]

Was that sarcasm? If it is, man you suck at it.

you are being rude. someone disagrees with you. so what.

 

[suneohair]

you are being rude. someone disagrees with you. so what.

Which is fine. I never said it was problem did I? I dont disagree with him that the Dell is a good value depending on how it will be used.

Maybe read the thread instead of popping in to make a quick value judgement.

 

[furious]

Which is fine. I never said it was problem did I? I dont disagree with him that the Dell is a good value depending on how it will be used.

Maybe read the thread instead of popping in to make a quick value judgement.

omg. you tell me not to judge?

 

[Veritas&Equitas]

Suneohair. You're a crackpot. Flame me all you want, I know many more professional photographers/photo editors that use the Dell 2407 (more use the 2405 though) than use the ACD. This simply isn't for the price/performance benefits.

And re: your statement "[The Dell 2407] will not surpass the ACD in anyway." Then you go on to say how the Dells are better for gaming. That's akin to a George W. statement right there. Next, there are many categories that the Dells are better, but I will throw out some that aren't disputed (by the vast majority of users anyway, including numerous reviews *see Tom's Hardware guide comparing the two):

1. Price (Dell $800 vs. ACD $1000, these are both retail, but you can get the Dell around $650-700 with normal Dell coupons, $600 last week with their 25% off coupon found on their website, a REFURB ACD is $850)
2. Inputs (6-in-1 card reader on Dell, nada on ACD)
3. Gaming (Dell 8ms vs. ACD 14ms)
4. Brightness (Dell 450 cd/m2 vs. ACD 400 cd/m2)
5. Contrast ratio (Dell 1000:1 vs. ACD 700:1)

That's just a start. Before you go running your mouth with an Apple tatoo etched into your tongue, lay off those who *may* disagree with your opinion.

[/pwnage]

 

[suneohair]

Suneohair. You're a crackpot. Flame me all you want, I know many more professional photographers/photo editors that use the Dell 2407 (more use the 2405 though) than use the ACD. This simply isn't for the price/performance benefits.

And re: your statement "[The Dell 2407] will not surpass the ACD in anyway." Then you go on to say how the Dells are better for gaming. That's akin to a George W. statement right there. Next, there are many categories that the Dells are better, but I will throw out some that aren't disputed (by the vast majority of users anyway, including numerous reviews *see Tom's Hardware guide comparing the two):

1. Price (Dell $800 vs. ACD $1000, these are both retail, but you can get the Dell around $650-700 with normal Dell coupons, $600 last week with their 25% off coupon found on their website, a REFURB ACD is $850)
2. Inputs (6-in-1 card reader on Dell, nada on ACD)
3. Gaming (Dell 8ms vs. ACD 14ms)
4. Brightness (Dell 450 cd/m2 vs. ACD 400 cd/m2)
5. Contrast ratio (Dell 1000:1 vs. ACD 700:1)

That's just a start. Before you go running your mouth with an Apple tatoo etched into your tongue, lay off those who *may* disagree with your opinion.

[/pwnage]

Oh yeah you pwned me buddy. Too bad all the exra inputs on the Dell less the card, look like ****. The only connection worthwhile is the VGA. You get what you pay for.

Yes the Dell is unaturally bright. You have to turn it down to at least 50% for it to be usable. Much like the rest of the specs. Contrast Ratio and the response time are consumers specs. Bigger numbers = more people think it is better.

And, I OWNED THE DELL. For a week. It just didnt cut it for me. Even if I go with the $600 you paid for the Dell (I paid $700 which is a typical price) I only paid $200 more for the ACD. Which is something anyone else can do as well.

That FOR ME is money well spent. I never said I disagreed with anyone nor is there is a reason for me to disagree. I am simply stating my said, and I acknowledge that there are different needs and values assessments for everyone else.

Maybe stop drinking the Dell "low price" kool-aid before you decide to argue a point when there is really nothing to argue.


FYI: You dont declare your own pwnage. That is just silly.

 

[suneohair]

omg. you tell me not to judge?

Looks like we are even. Although I'd like to see where I judged anyone.

 

[elbirth]

Flipping through the latest Dell mailer, I found a table that lists the 2407WFP's resolution as 1600 x 1050 (or 1080; whatever). Huh? The 2505FPW was 1920 x 1200. Is the 2407 spec a printing error, or has Dell actually reduced the resolution?

Printing error. For sure.

Yeah, it's a printing error wherever you saw it... my 2407WFP runs at 1920x1200 all the time