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Dell 2407WFP or Apple 20" Cinema
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Hmmm... It sounds kind of plausible but on the other hand I'm not aware of such limitations on the 20 and 24 that makes servicing a warranty any different to the 30. I could ask my account manager on Monday if you like concerning warranty transfer.
You have to remember the warranty is under his business, and they dont except change of warranty for panels 24" or under. Obviously this would be different if he was one of us, but he has done this through a business so he gets products cheap.
I'm sure that's not where the problem is. He is probably not an authorized reseller. If he was, he wouldn't be selling products on ebay bc that is not allowed if you are a legitimate reseller. My bets are he gets a huge discount bc of his business or whatever.....and just resells and doesn't want to transfer warranty so he won't get into trouble from dell and get blacklisted. Dell watches accounts very closely and if they see warranty transfers all over the place they will cut him off. I would stay away from that guy....
Apple Crushed Dell For Print Color Work
If you do Print based color work the Apple buries the dell in terms of:
1) Color Consistency due to better panel
2) Fixed color system due to "Lack" (this is a good thing) of display controls forcing Colorsync to do the display adjustment work,
3) Out of the Box Colorsync Color LUT Profile.
Get the Apple for Print work: it justifies the cost difference in one or two job.s
Get the Dell for Video Playback, Games, etc.
If you do Print based color work the Apple buries the dell in terms of:
1) Color Consistency due to better panel
2) Fixed color system due to "Lack" (this is a good thing) of display controls forcing Colorsync to do the display adjustment work,
3) Out of the Box Colorsync Color LUT Profile.
Get the Apple for Print work: it justifies the cost difference in one or two job.s
Get the Dell for Video Playback, Games, etc.
anyone know if the 2407WFP refurbs on dell's site are rev A04/8 bit per channel? (http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...?c=us&cs=22&l=en&lob=MON&MODEL_DESC=ALL&s=dfh)
Yes we have about 14 displays here in our production shop -- Four of them are Dell's -- couple of 24" and one 30" -- rest are Apple's, an NEC and An Eizo.
Dells are decent but are at the lowest end of those I have mentioned in terms of color accuracy and consistency. Great basic monitors, however.
And the Apple crushes the Dell in terms of initial, out-of-the-box color accuracy, calibration and management system features.
Dell is better for video, games and basic use. Apple is better for high end print and video production work.
I do like this argument that Apple fanboys put forward.
Goes like this, if your doing something ie photo work or maybe drilling a hole in your garden then you CAN ONLY EVER USE THE BEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE TOOL THAT MONEY CAN BUY.
YOU CANNOT EVER USE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT THE BEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE TOOL FOR THAT JOB.
Therefore, if your doing anything with your compute you HAVE to buy Apples expensive option the same way that if your were drilling a hole then you can only ever use the huge Drill that was used to make the Channel Tunnel.
I like Apple, but you are allowed to like to like and even yes to buy kit from other companys.
Plus if i bought an ACD it would take ages for Apple to send me one that actually worked.
Goes like this, if your doing something ie photo work or maybe drilling a hole in your garden then you CAN ONLY EVER USE THE BEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE TOOL THAT MONEY CAN BUY.
YOU CANNOT EVER USE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT THE BEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE TOOL FOR THAT JOB.
Therefore, if your doing anything with your compute you HAVE to buy Apples expensive option the same way that if your were drilling a hole then you can only ever use the huge Drill that was used to make the Channel Tunnel.
I like Apple, but you are allowed to like to like and even yes to buy kit from other companys.
Plus if i bought an ACD it would take ages for Apple to send me one that actually worked.
Don't Stereotype Me.
Please, Grow up and control your outward self.
I never said anyone "had to use the best, most expensive tool."
I merely responded to a question with my 18 years experience in color reproduction on both offset and sheetfed presses. If you want consistent, reliable color some monitors are better than others.
In our Book Publishing Projects -- mostly Children's Picture Books and some games -- color is critical. We can easily find ourselves without pay, in court, or losing a client over color. If you think "I only use Apple for this" you are nuts. I actually prefer our NEC's.
I've got news for you: If you think that the ACD's are the "most expensive" tool for this job, you are very inexperienced. Apple monitors are considered a low to mid-range tool for this task -- they are easily outpaced by NEC's, LaCie's (rebranded Nec), Some Samsungs, and Eizo's. All of these monitors make the Apple seem like a toy and they all cost much more. Money well worth it to keep and satisfy a client -- For us, An Apple or similar monitor will pay for the cost difference over a dell in about 3 jobs, this savings comes in color match print consumables.
So please get over yourself. Your dell is a good monitor: I said this. For print production work, however, it ranks on the low to medium end just like the Apple -- difference is Apple has more consistent color and a dedicated, accurate, SWOP certified color profile for basic Colorsync workflow integration. The Dell does not, although one can be build with a decent calibrator.
Please take a time out now, no more games for you, and stop ranting -- we are having a rational discussion in this post about monitors.
Dante
I do like this argument that Apple fanboys put forward.
Goes like this, if your doing something ie photo work or maybe drilling a hole in your garden then you CAN ONLY EVER USE THE BEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE TOOL THAT MONEY CAN BUY.
YOU CANNOT EVER USE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT THE BEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE TOOL FOR THAT JOB.
Therefore, if your doing anything with your compute you HAVE to buy Apples expensive option the same way that if your were drilling a hole then you can only ever use the huge Drill that was used to make the Channel Tunnel.
I like Apple, but you are allowed to like to like and even yes to buy kit from other companys.
Plus if i bought an ACD it would take ages for Apple to send me one that actually worked.
Please, Grow up and control your outward self.
I never said anyone "had to use the best, most expensive tool."
I merely responded to a question with my 18 years experience in color reproduction on both offset and sheetfed presses. If you want consistent, reliable color some monitors are better than others.
In our Book Publishing Projects -- mostly Children's Picture Books and some games -- color is critical. We can easily find ourselves without pay, in court, or losing a client over color. If you think "I only use Apple for this" you are nuts. I actually prefer our NEC's.
I've got news for you: If you think that the ACD's are the "most expensive" tool for this job, you are very inexperienced. Apple monitors are considered a low to mid-range tool for this task -- they are easily outpaced by NEC's, LaCie's (rebranded Nec), Some Samsungs, and Eizo's. All of these monitors make the Apple seem like a toy and they all cost much more. Money well worth it to keep and satisfy a client -- For us, An Apple or similar monitor will pay for the cost difference over a dell in about 3 jobs, this savings comes in color match print consumables.
So please get over yourself. Your dell is a good monitor: I said this. For print production work, however, it ranks on the low to medium end just like the Apple -- difference is Apple has more consistent color and a dedicated, accurate, SWOP certified color profile for basic Colorsync workflow integration. The Dell does not, although one can be build with a decent calibrator.
Please take a time out now, no more games for you, and stop ranting -- we are having a rational discussion in this post about monitors.
Dante
Well, while we are on this topic, here is my opinions on the Dell 2407WFP and Apple 23 HD Display. At first, I own Apple 23 HD Display, then later return it for the Dell 2407WFP due to stuck pixels and back light bleed. Honestly, I have test this two out, and here is a comparison of the Dell and the Apple.
Dell 2407WFP
- Goods -
* Display is larger then Apple, only about 1 Inch. But compare side by side, the Dell is definitely bigger.
* Uniform Back light. No back light bleed.
* Better quality in term of dead and stuck pixels. I cannot find any.
* Height adjustment, swivel back and fourth, 90 degree portrait mode.
* Brighter then Apple.
* More Inputs.
* Cards Reader.
* 3 Years Warranty.
* Under 1K.
- Bads -
* Plastic instead of silver aluminum panel.
* Less colors accuracy then Apple.
* Color a bit wash out when compare the Dell and Apple side by side. When I test a few 32 bits Apple built-in background, Apple display show true 32 bits while the Dell one is a little off and saturated. Maybe the Dell one is really a 6 bits?
* Leave a green trail (streak) when you drag a windows fast over a bright background such as white. My 1st Dell 2407WFP have this problem, exchange it for another one and problem are gone. However, some still report they still have those problems even with the newest A04 Rev.
* A04 more obvious ghosting then A03 version in fast pace game.
* Dell seam to alway update their monitor with Rev 01, Rev02, etc. It makes them seam to have more problem with their monitor then Apple.
* Not as good re-sale value as Apple.
Apple 23 HD Display
- Goods -
* Excellent colors accuracy
* True 8 bits panel, really good colors consistency
* IPS Panel, this are top quality panel with a lot more color accuracy, and cost a lot more to make then PVA panel.
* Very sharp, sharper then Dell.
* Touch Sensitive.
* Better cable management.
* Game look sharper then Dell.
* Excellent display for Photographer, Graphic Designer, and Movies editing professional.
* Better re-sale value.
- Bads -
* Most of the display tends to have stuck pixels.
* Back light bleed.
* No height adjustment, cannot swivel back and fourth, cannot do 90 degree portrait mode. Changing the viewing of the display will move the entire display.
* Smaller then Dell by 1 Inch.
* 1 Years Warranty vs the 3 Years Dell Warranty.
* Have a power brick instead of built-in power supply.
* Lacks of inputs.
With all that, Dell seam to be a better option in term of value and quality. I myself, have a hard time choosing either the Apple or the Dell. However, I would choose the Apple any day hand down if I can find one without too many darns stuck pixels. Getting a good panel with the Apple tends to be luck of the draw? Oh well, think I will stick with Dell and see what Apple offer in the next year or so. I'm hoping better quality control.
Dell 2407WFP
- Goods -
* Display is larger then Apple, only about 1 Inch. But compare side by side, the Dell is definitely bigger.
* Uniform Back light. No back light bleed.
* Better quality in term of dead and stuck pixels. I cannot find any.
* Height adjustment, swivel back and fourth, 90 degree portrait mode.
* Brighter then Apple.
* More Inputs.
* Cards Reader.
* 3 Years Warranty.
* Under 1K.
- Bads -
* Plastic instead of silver aluminum panel.
* Less colors accuracy then Apple.
* Color a bit wash out when compare the Dell and Apple side by side. When I test a few 32 bits Apple built-in background, Apple display show true 32 bits while the Dell one is a little off and saturated. Maybe the Dell one is really a 6 bits?
* Leave a green trail (streak) when you drag a windows fast over a bright background such as white. My 1st Dell 2407WFP have this problem, exchange it for another one and problem are gone. However, some still report they still have those problems even with the newest A04 Rev.
* A04 more obvious ghosting then A03 version in fast pace game.
* Dell seam to alway update their monitor with Rev 01, Rev02, etc. It makes them seam to have more problem with their monitor then Apple.
* Not as good re-sale value as Apple.
Apple 23 HD Display
- Goods -
* Excellent colors accuracy
* True 8 bits panel, really good colors consistency
* IPS Panel, this are top quality panel with a lot more color accuracy, and cost a lot more to make then PVA panel.
* Very sharp, sharper then Dell.
* Touch Sensitive.
* Better cable management.
* Game look sharper then Dell.
* Excellent display for Photographer, Graphic Designer, and Movies editing professional.
* Better re-sale value.
- Bads -
* Most of the display tends to have stuck pixels.
* Back light bleed.
* No height adjustment, cannot swivel back and fourth, cannot do 90 degree portrait mode. Changing the viewing of the display will move the entire display.
* Smaller then Dell by 1 Inch.
* 1 Years Warranty vs the 3 Years Dell Warranty.
* Have a power brick instead of built-in power supply.
* Lacks of inputs.
With all that, Dell seam to be a better option in term of value and quality. I myself, have a hard time choosing either the Apple or the Dell. However, I would choose the Apple any day hand down if I can find one without too many darns stuck pixels. Getting a good panel with the Apple tends to be luck of the draw? Oh well, think I will stick with Dell and see what Apple offer in the next year or so. I'm hoping better quality control.
Thought so.
The most expensive or nothing.
I do like the ACD, but there far too expensive with very limited connections, only a years warranty and have too much of a dodgy reliability problem for me, or any many other mere mortals to consider.
And please do not consider this a rant, there are simply too many people deluded into thinking that they have to buy Apple monitors and before that printers, scanners etc.
The most expensive or nothing.
I do like the ACD, but there far too expensive with very limited connections, only a years warranty and have too much of a dodgy reliability problem for me, or any many other mere mortals to consider.
And please do not consider this a rant, there are simply too many people deluded into thinking that they have to buy Apple monitors and before that printers, scanners etc.
Thanks guys
I purchased the Dell. I dont consider myself a 'professional', so i dont want to spend that much money on colour accuracy etc since it wont be a major thing. Also purchased a wireless apple keyboard.
I purchased the Dell. I dont consider myself a 'professional', so i dont want to spend that much money on colour accuracy etc since it wont be a major thing. Also purchased a wireless apple keyboard.
Nope--you are right -- that is not a rant. Just a VERY good point -- too many people are deluded into thinking they have to buy Apple.
I agree. It was just that in your previous email I responded too, you did not mention color management at all -- and this is big point for those of us who use apple boxes to make our living doing print work that involves color management that must be reproduced accurately as possible on various printing presses.
The Dell monitors -- all of them, even the 30" -- are way better deals that the apple.
One Small Point for the Comparisons: The Apple Monitors are SWOP Certified due to the Monitor Specific and Accurate Colorsync Profile which is built directly from the 8-bit Color Lookup Tables.
This is no small feature.
Peace,
Dante
Can someone claify this now so i know what to do when i get it. I want to basically put what i can see now, dock, toolbar etc, the main screen and move it the the new monitor and still have it at the full resolution looking great. The lid will be closed so i wont need to be looking at my MBP, but if i did want it open, can i have it so the dell has all the toolbars etc and the mbp is just the extension?
Like this:
Like this:
Yes. Just drag the menu bar to the Dell in the display control panel applet. The MBP will automatically switch to being the primary display if disconnected from the screen.
If your doing something with a computer that pays your rent and puts food on the table your requirements are very different from what the average joe might need.
I use my computer for fun and messing about with things, of which i have taken an interest in photoshop.
Monstrously accurate colour (with a U!
) reproduction is simply something that dosn't apply to me in the slightest, but if one day down the line i would find myself in a profession where it is important then it would be something that i would have to seriously consider. Another point of view is to say that current Dell monitors could be considered as good as the previous Apple line, and if the Apple 23" was the same price as the Dell 24" (£690) when i bought mine 18 months ago then i would have very much considered the Apple.