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Dell 6K U3224KB Monitor

The ViewFinity S9 looks great for Macs but I'm skeptical I'd enjoy the matte finish given how much I disliked it on the Dell.

Was pricing announced? (A search shows $1,300 USD, so about $300 less than the ASD).

If the street price substantially undercuts the ASD I might buy one to replace an UltraFine 5K with image retention issues.
 
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Supacon said:
The ViewFinity S9 looks great for Macs but I'm skeptical I'd enjoy the matte finish given how much I disliked it on the Dell.

Was pricing announced? (A search shows $1,300 USD, so about $300 less than the ASD).

If the street price substantially undercuts the ASD I might buy one to replace an UltraFine 5K with image retention issues.
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That's not the correct monitor in your link....that's a 49" monitor.
 
I just picked up LG's 40" 5k2k and I think I'm set for now. This feels so much bigger with so much more real estate than my dual 4k monitors. I have it set to the looks like 3840 x 1620 mode so that its the correct size assets for a Mac display, and its just sharp enough at normal distance to be acceptable. As someone who is pretty particular about only using Retina displays with a Mac, I am happy enough with this for now. Nothing else comes close in terms of both size and resolution. The only way to improve upon this display is to go to a 6k3k at the same size and maybe 120Hz. At 75Hz, that is likewise good enough for now.
 
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What resolution and stream info do you have on your connection? (This is from OSD->Others->Display Info.)

When using TB4, I see Resolution of 6144x3456, 60Hz, 24-bit and Stream Info of 8.1Gbps. I've tested with a M1 Max 16" MBP and M2 Pro Mac Mini.

When I use the HDMI port on the M2 Pro Mac Mini, I get Resolution of 6144x3456, 60Hz, 30-bit and Stream Info: 12Gps DSC.

Seems like DSC doesn't work over TB4 (from a M1/M2 Mac).
 
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It does annoy me that Apple are trying to not undercut a $6k display that they must sell a tiny amount of.

Because they could buy this panel off LG, whack it in an upsized ASD frame, delete the crappy webcam, put a piece of glass on it and charge $2k for it and I’d buy two. I think they’d sell a boat load of them.

That would remove almost all the flaws this Dell has, and I’m sure Apple’s QC would catch almost all of the panel issues it sounds like folks are having.

I still think I’ll buy it over 2 of the Samsungs because for photo and video editing (non-HDR, just corporate stuff) it’s better.
 
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tstafford said:
Wanted to say thanks to the folks who provided detailed write-ups on the Dell. I was seriously considering it to replace one of my ASDs. I have no need for it but I thought I wanted it. Seeing the candid assessments has put a freeze on that. For me to want to spend north of $3K it would need to be a slam dunk proposition. Again - thanks all. You helped me avoid a likely letdown.
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This is exactly me. Ordered it and agree with all the detail write-ups and am now returning mine. Wish I had the reviews before and could have saved myself the trouble. But I was impatient. My thoughts below.

1. Can't get used to the matte since all my other screens are glossy. LG, ASD, MacBook Pro and Air, iPhone.

2. Have been waiting several years for this b/c I wanted a 32 inch screen with the retina PPI but wasn't willing to pay for the Apple one.

3. The extra real estate is massive but I discovered not functional for me. The bigger square is wasted. Agree with people that recommend super wide as that would be functional space for me to put multiple windows side by side. I wish someone would do a retina super wide.

4. That said, I probably would get it as multiple monitors work better for me rather than one super wide. Multiple monitors allow me to do full screen mode.

5. For the price, I can get 2 ASD's. Which may be my solution. I may add a third screen. I can work across two 27" screens pretty well. Anything more would be a lot of head turning. But that 32" just had wasted corners. Whereas a third screen off to a side could be useful for some background stuff that I just occasionally glance over at.

6. For the same cost, I'd have more overall screen real estate. That space would be laid out in a more efficient manner. It would be glossy at the retina ppi so text would be crystal clear. I work in a dark office so glare isn't an issue for me.

Just my two cents.

For the record, I think Dell made a high quality product here. It's just not what I'm looking for.
 
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When using TB4, I see Resolution of 6144x3456, 60Hz, 24-bit and Stream Info of 8.1Gbps. I've tested with a M1 Max 16" MBP and M2 Pro Mac Mini.

When I use the HDMI port on the M2 Pro Mac Mini, I get Resolution of 6144x3456, 60Hz, 30-bit and Stream Info: 12Gps DSC.

Seems like DSC doesn't work over TB4 (from a M1/M2 Mac).
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TB4/DisplayPort can't do 6K60 8bpc with HBR3 (8.1 Gbps) unless it's doing DSC or 4:2:2. DSC would only requires HBR2 (5.6 Gbps) so maybe you're getting 4:2:2?
Did you try DisplayPort instead of TB4 using a USB-C to Mini DisplayPort adapter?
 
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Creative Labs Pebble Pro is an affordable USB-C (power and sound) speaker.
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I was considering them, but the green colour is horrid. I'll stick with my Creative T40 speakers, they may be a few years old (and a large) but they do give me decent sound.

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As a matter of comparison, can any kind soul advise what the default resolution is of the Apple Studio Display?
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Default resolution is looks like 2560 x 1440.

which is exactly half of 5880 x 2880 which is the actual 5k resolution of the screen.

so using 4 pixels to represent 1 compared to a 2560x1440 27” screen which is why edges can be sharper as can choose to not use all 4 but maybe just 3 of them to create the sharper diagnol edge.
 
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mushy peas said:
It does annoy me that Apple are trying to not undercut a $6k display that they must sell a tiny amount of.

Because they could buy this panel off LG, whack it in an upsized ASD frame, delete the crappy webcam, put a piece of glass on it and charge $2k for it and I’d buy two. I think they’d sell a boat load of them.
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Getting greedy, are we? 😉 Not long ago, it looked like Apple left the external display market for good and now we already have 2 to choose from.

All joking aside, of course Apple could make a new display with this panel, but the whole process is a little more complicated than you make it sound. Maybe they will use it and it‘ll just take some time (or only until next monday?) or maybe the panel is not really up to Apple‘s standards, who knows.

That being said, I have also not given up hope that Apple will make a non-XDR (read: not insanely expensive) display bigger than 27“. Because it is annoying staring at a big old hunk of Dell/LG/Samsung “industrial design“ for hours every day.

How about they make that rumoured 36“ 7K display in two flavours – XDR for 6K$, regular retina for 3K$? I would be first in line for the latter.

hoobury said:
I wish someone would do a retina super wide.
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Or this! Alas, the chance that Apple will serve this niche-within-a-niche is approx. zero.
 
joevt said:
TB4/DisplayPort can't do 6K60 8bpc with HBR3 (8.1 Gbps) unless it's doing DSC or 4:2:2. DSC would only requires HBR2 (5.6 Gbps) so maybe you're getting 4:2:2?
Did you try DisplayPort instead of TB4 using a USB-C to Mini DisplayPort adapter?
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I was looking for one, but I couldn't find one on Amazon that claimed 8K support. Trying to find a certified one was even harder.

The closest thing I could find is a Cable Matters USB-C to DP adapter and DP to mDP cable. Only does DP 1.4 though. Seems like DP 2.0 products aren't really out there yet.

BTW, someone on reddit posted an interesting discovery. By using BetterDisplay to set the native resolution down to 6016x3384, DSC will work over Thunderbolt. With this, I see Resolution of 6016x3384, 60Hz, 30-bit and Stream Info of 8.1Gbps DSC. HDR mode works too.

Though it seems HDMI should still be better (visually) as it offers 12GBps? Maybe I should be trying the stuff in the "DP/USB-C/Thunderbolt 3/4 to HDMI 2.1" thread?
 
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Definitely seems like there's some buginess with DSC even on M-series Macs. Using this miniDP adapter and this DP cable, I plugged the monitor into my Windows tower with a 3080 Ti. At first it defaulted to 8-bit/24-bit color (and hilariously, 225% UI scale, I guess Windows thinks it's a TV), popping open the Nvidia control panel and setting color to 10-bit/30-bit works exactly as expected, with the monitor reporting full resolution 60hz 30-bit stream with DSC enabled.

The DP cable is too long and unwieldy to try with my work Macbook, so I experimented on that with a shorter DP cable on the same adapter, but wasn't able to get 30-bit even when dropping the rez to 6016x3384 with BetterDisplay. I'm assuming the cable is at fault, or maybe macOS doesn't like the adapter for some reason.
 
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kitsunesoba said:
if Apple releases something like a Studio Display Pro or "prosumer" variant of the XDR, it's almost certainly going to be single-input. That really sucks because it reduces the number of ways the monitor could potentially be used, which in turn can shorten its useful lifespan.
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Absolutely, the Dell has the awesome advantage of having multiple types of inputs and the KVM feature. I like the idea that I could build a Windows gaming PC and seamlessly switch over to it with the same peripherals simply using a button on the monitor. That’s a sweet feature you’d definitely never get with an Apple display, and that would be difficult to buy even as a separate product. Thunderbolt KVMs are basically unicorns.
 
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Definitely seems like there's some buginess with DSC even on M-series Macs. Using this miniDP adapter and this DP cable, I plugged the monitor into my Windows tower with a 3080 Ti.
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On the Windows tower, are you using the mDP adapter on the video card connector or on the monitor connector? It's the monitor side right?

The fifth picture on the product page says it's "unidirectional" from source to Display and indicates the miniDP side is for the source. Not sure why it says that... but it made me think it wouldn't work.

It's a really old product... I was using it back in the Thunderbolt 2 days.
 
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multiple_displays said:
On the Windows tower, are you using the mDP adapter on the video card connector or on the monitor connector? It's the monitor side right?

The fifth picture on the product page says it's "unidirectional" from source to Display and indicates the miniDP side is for the source. Not sure why it says that... but it made me think it wouldn't work.

It's a really old product... I was using it back in the Thunderbolt 2 days.
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Yeah the miniDP end is plugged into the monitor. The GPU is an EVGA 3080Ti FTW3, which has 3x regular DP 1.4a ports on it.
 
multiple_displays said:
I was looking for one, but I couldn't find one on Amazon that claimed 8K support. Trying to find a certified one was even harder.

The closest thing I could find is a Cable Matters USB-C to DP adapter and DP to mDP cable. Only does DP 1.4 though. Seems like DP 2.0 products aren't really out there yet.

BTW, someone on reddit posted an interesting discovery. By using BetterDisplay to set the native resolution down to 6016x3384, DSC will work over Thunderbolt. With this, I see Resolution of 6016x3384, 60Hz, 30-bit and Stream Info of 8.1Gbps DSC. HDR mode works too.

Though it seems HDMI should still be better (visually) as it offers 12GBps? Maybe I should be trying the stuff in the "DP/USB-C/Thunderbolt 3/4 to HDMI 2.1" thread?
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Thanks for your information. I modified the native resolution by BetterDisplay and successful turn on 6016*3384*60Hz*30bit + HDR mode.
Actually, the bandwidth difference between these two resolutions is only 4%. Seems like a firmware bug.
 
kitsunesoba said:
Yeah the miniDP end is plugged into the monitor. The GPU is an EVGA 3080Ti FTW3, which has 3x regular DP 1.4a ports on it.
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What cable did you use for the Macbook test then? The cable is (regular) DP to DP, correct? AFAIK there's never been a regular DP port on a Macbook.
 
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