Dell has announced Ivy EP workstations

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  1. theSeb, Sep 9, 2013
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    I must say that if I was looking for serious horsepower, then it would be hard to justify staying on Apple hardware due to OS X love when you can have something like this

    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/dell-precision-m4800-m6800-workstation,news-45423.html

     
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    Seems Dell has continued to be competitive and trying to strengthen their foothold on the pro market still offering user upgradeability and multiple choices.
     
  3. xcodeSyn, Sep 10, 2013
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    I failed to see how the launch of Ivy Bridge-E processors had anything to do with Mac Pro since these are high-end Core i7 models which Apple had never used in the Mac products before. Moreover, the anandtech review of the 4960X did not paint a glowing picture:
    Just because Apple failed to update the MP line for the last few years doesn't make Ivy Bridge-E compelling. The root problem is that Intel has very little incentive to focus on the ultra high-end desktop processors given the overall trend of desktop PCs. It's hard to believe that Westmere-EP core is only two generations behind the upcoming Ivy Bridge-EP product lineup. Also surprised that current NVIDIA drivers still haven't enabled PCIe 3.0 for their Kepler GPUs as the review mentioned.
     
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    None of these products are using Ivy Bridge-E, they are using EP. Just bad reporting.
     
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    Indeed. I should have noticed and corrected that really. :eek:
     
  6. spaz8, Sep 10, 2013
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    It looks like BOXX is shipping the E5 v2 Xeons though. Got an email today.

    The configuration I was hoping to setup in the nMP was $7032 - single w7000 -$8K for 2x w7000) :eek:

    10 core - 2.8 --> $1813 addon from boxx)
    32 gb ram
    W7000
    240 SSD
     
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    There is no such thing as an E XEON CPU. E stands for "Enthusiast" and the E CPUs are 4 and 6 core. There is no E CPU currently beyond 6 cores. There are 3 Ivy Bridge E CPUs that have been announced by Intel:
    Core i7-4960X (6 core)
    Core i7-4930K (6 core)
    Core i7-4820K (4 core)


    The CPUs are you referring to are XEON EP. I think EP stands for "Enterprise Platform", but I don't remember now.
     
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    HP Z820 line updated with Ivy too, including a Thunderbolt card for desktops.

    It seems having both slots and Thunderbolt in a workstation actually is technically possible. :rolleyes:
     
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    Efficient Performance.
     
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    They are nice, but the 2690v2 seems to be the sweet spot.
     
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    Everyday we live and learn. :) Thanks.

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    http://www.anandtech.com/show/7214/xeon-e52600-v2-price-list-server-ivy-bridgeep

    2687 is a 150W CPU. I believe that they will only use a max of 130W so we're likely to see some sort of options like the 2643 /2650 /2667/2690/2697 or some combination of these based on price.
     
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    Can anyone tell me why the 2667 is so much more expensive than the 2643, given that the only difference on paper is a clock speed that's .2 GHz lower?
     
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    2667 appears to be an 8 core processor rather than 6
     
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    Fantastic

    All the cylinder haters now have something to buy!!
     
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    And also the performance / expandability lovers!
     
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    There would be no reason to offer any 6-core E5-2600V2 CPU when the E5-1650 V2 is cheaper and superior. Even the 8-cores are going to look silly because of the price on them compared to the E5-2650 V2.

    E5-1620 V2, E5-1650 V2 and E5-2697 V2 covers a lot of ground. I'd probably only add theE5-2670 v2 to that and you've got an Apple type line of CPU options.

    3.7x4
    3.5x6 +$500
    2.5x10 +$1,200
    2.7x12 + $2,000

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    2667 is a 6-core, 2643 is a 4-core ($1,550 vs. $900)

    2667 V2 is an 8-core, 2643 V2 is a 6-core ($2,050 vs. $1,550)
     
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    I concur except perhaps on the 10-core variant. If I was Product Manager I might go for the 2680 v2 (2.8x10) at a $1400 premium.

    In fact, I could see two base models

    Entry Level:
    3.7x4 with 8GB/256GB at $2499
    BTO of 3.5x6 at +$500

    High-end:
    2.8x10 with 16GB/512GB at $4499
    BTO of 2.7x12 at +$700

    (Assuming the GPU options are BTO in both cases).
     
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    Good points. The 1620 and 1650 are very similar to current options. 2697 for only $2000+ I would love to see it, but I have doubts.
     
  21. deconstruct60 macrumors 604

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    that , the cpu-world.com , and others that were based off of some retail vendors price list are a bit off on prices.

    E5 1600 v2 series http://ark.intel.com/products/series/75771

    E5 2600 v2 series http://ark.intel.com/products/series/75291

    At least prices past this initial launch that Apple would be factoring into the Mac Pro 2013 pricing.


    There is no good reason to use a 6 ( or even 8 core) 2600 v2 in a single socket new Mac Pro. The pricing is way off what can be bigger bang-for-the-buck with a E5 1600 v2 alternative. There may be a 10 core BTO option along with a 12 core BTO option.

    The 12 core Mac Pro variants are going to cost. Around $2400 + Apple's 30% mark-up on top of that is $3K just for the CPU package.
     
  22. flat five, Sep 12, 2013
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    clock speed?

    edit-- nvmnd.. I re-read what you wrote
     
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    Also......

    I know this thread has started as Desktop comparison and if the Mods want to move it on that's fine....

    This has appeared recently as a Mobile workstation! We're we could have been this year with the 17" MBP?.....if only!

    but then it is Windows 8!!!!!
     

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    For an Apple "good, better, best" line up something like

    3.7x4 [ E5 1620 v2 ]
    3.5x6 + $500 [ E5 1650 v2 . Optional BTO 2.5x10 this price + $600 ]
    3.7x6 + $1200 [ E5 1660 v2 + at least one mid range GPU. Optiona BTO l 2.7x12 this price + 2,000 ]

    No good reason to skip any of the 1600 v2 offerings if trying to hit decent pricing on the standard configurations. The 12 core 2.7 E5 2697 v2 $2618 lists for at Intel's site ( http://ark.intel.com/products/75283/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2697-v2-30M-Cache-2_70-GHz ). Throw Apple's 30% mark-up on that and have a 'cost' of $3403. It isn't going to be a $2K bump over the entry level base price. With that kind of price increase, highly doubtful it would part of any standard configuration.
     

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