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Dell's also have mutiple inputs including DVI, VGA composite/compaosite (I get them confused, sorry!), etc. I had 2 machines hooked up to the same monitor, one dvi the other vga. Then my xbox is hooked into the component.

All in all, cheaper and more versatile. Just ugly as sin...
 
The monitor debate will rage on forever, but here's a quick bottom line:

Apple monitors look better and some have better panels than the cheaper alternatives.

Dell/Gateway etc will work great for 90% of users who don't need utmost color accuracy (and many of those people will opt for an eizo or other higher-end monitor). However if you aren't going to be happy with the cheap plastic look, you'll be unhappy with anything but apple.

in terms of the quality of the actual screen, think of it this way:

If you care enough about color to own a color calibration device and use it at least a few times a month, you should consider the apple for its increased accuracy. If not, it's ridiculous to consider an apple monitor for screen quality (still fine to consider it for its sexy good looks though).

Edit: also I should mention that I'm only talking about the higher end Dells/Gateways etc...for instance dell makes a 2007wfp which is a good monitor, and a e207 which is not of the same quality.
 
please please show me a credible piece of evidence showing the dell has better color accuracy than the ACD...

i'll probly be waiting a while...

I don't think the op cares about color acuracy as much as how big and how much it costs.

If you care enough about color to own a color calibration device and use it at least a few times a month, you should consider the apple for its increased accuracy. If not, it's ridiculous to consider an apple monitor for screen quality (still fine to consider it for its sexy good looks though).

Bingo. You can continue waiting... the debate may as well be vanilla vs. chocolate. Different strokes. Frankly, even if the Apple was the same price, the PiP and number of inputs on the dell would still make it attractive because I'm not trying to impress anyone with how good my monitor looks. Bottom line, I need the workspace...
 
I prefer the Dell's over ACD because of the multiple inputs and the fact that the power and data cables aren't custom.

I've moved from dual 2407WFP to a 2707WFP and couldn't fault the Dells, i wouldn't hesitate to get another over an ACD unless they change its design. I keep the displays calibrated with the Spyder2Express, nice and cheap :)
 
You said it :)

But he said it wrong. Colour accuracy isn't better on the Dell 24".

ok the dell got the same as the apple in the display mate test on cnet http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSharp_2405FPW/4505-3174_7-31335738.html?tag=prod.txt.5

go to the bottom of the page

and beat it ion the second test

I don't care what these tests tell me. All you need to know is this:

The Dell is great at everything except colour accuracy. If you want to game, watch movies, surf the net, then get the Dell 24" and save your money. They're bright, the contrast is high, the colours are saturated, and you likely will not regret it

If you want to edit colours accurately and have it published or printed, then get the Apple 23" or any other good LCD. If you don't know if it's one of the colour accurate ones, turn on the screen and look at a black section of the image. Then walk to the side, and look at the same black section of the image on the LCD at a diagonal angle. If it appears dark purple rather than black, then it's a good monitor (yes, you read that correctly). If it doesn't look purple, it's not one of the more colour accurate IPS ones. It's a flaw/downside of the more colour accurate monitors, but most people look at their monitor straight-on when editing photos, magazine layouts and stuff, not at an angle.

And if you think that calibrating a monitor with poor colour accuracy (using a Spyder or GretagMacBeth, etc) will solve the problem, it isn't. ;) Details in dark/shadow areas is completely lost on cheaper panels (ie: it'll look black even if there's detail there).
 
I'm kind of in a similar boat, trying to pick out my first LCD monitor... My PC laptop is dying, and I'm making the switch to Mac. I'm still researching whether a low end Mac Pro or a beefed up 24" iMac will suit my needs better, but I'm waiting for a new model and/or Leopard, or some combo of the above :/

I come from a history of running my CRTs at max resolution, which is why an LCD has never quite cut it for me. In the past, as I've upgraded monitor size, I've also upped my resolution. Now I'm looking at making the switch from 4:3 to 16:10, and its like apples and oranges (wait... apples and PC's? ouch, sorry) comparing diagonal viewing size between the two...

A height of 1200 pixels is a requirement of mine, and I'm just wondering what the actual viewable height (using a ruler or measuring tape or something) of a 23" Apple display, or 24" iMac and Dell would be... Then at least I could compare the the visable height on my 19" CRT... I guess I'm just wondering how much distance those 1200 pixels are going to stretch out across...
 
I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in this thread, but I've read elsewhere that the Dell 2407 and 24" iMac share the same screen.

If the screen is good enough to be included in an Apple product, then it should stand up just as well with another label on the shell.

FWIW, I own two 2407s. I debated which to buy and weighed the pros and cons. Although the aesthetics of the ACD are pleasing on the eye, I'm no longer 16 and don't feel the need to impress visitors to my home office. In any event, I spend my time looking at what's on the display and not the plastic surrounding it.

In the end, the extra connections and price made the Dell's more appealling. Being able to rotate it 90 degrees is nice, but not a necessity for me. Howeve, the fact that Apple uses it, too, only sealed the deal.
 
yep I was looking at the 22 inch. It is a nice size for writing essays and Excel(shudder). When in Apple releasing iWork with a Spreadsheet program?
Be careful of the Dell E228WFP 22" LCD. It uses the TN+Film panel which is great for low response times but I find the quality to be quite poor. Also, it uses the same resolution as Dell's 2007wfp. This means that the DPI on the 22" model is quite lower. Lower DPI = bigger pixels = more noticable pixels.

If I was buying a monitor today, I would either get the 2007wfp or 2407wfp. I avoid any Dell monitor that starts with "E" like the plague.
 
Be careful of the Dell E228WFP 22" LCD. It uses the TN+Film panel which is great for low response times but I find the quality to be quite poor. Also, it uses the same resolution as Dell's 2007wfp. This means that the DPI on the 22" model is quite lower. Lower DPI = bigger pixels = more noticable pixels.

If I was buying a monitor today, I would either get the 2007wfp or 2407wfp. I avoid any Dell monitor that starts with "E" like the plague.

Yep, that model is a POS...a co-worker bought one and returned it after 3 days--hated it. ACD's are just so expensive, & Dells are getting to be unreliable (seems they play the ol' switcharoo w/ panels once tech reviews of new models are published--they start using cheaper panels). I'm either gonna wait to see if by some miracle, Apple refreshes their lineup w/ HDCP compliant models @ a hopefully lower price (I know, that's a pipe dream) or get a BenQ FP241WZ...
 
ACD's are just so expensive, & Dells are getting to be unreliable (seems they play the ol' switcharoo w/ panels once tech reviews of new models are published--they start using cheaper panels).


Dell does the switcheroo from IPA to PVA panels after reviews come out, but sometimes that's not necessarily a bad thing. If you're a gamer, I don't see why you'd want the expensive IPA panel monitors. Even if the Apple 23" and Dell 24" were the same price, I'd rather have the Dell 24" because these "cheaper" panels are faster.

The reason people are mad at Dell is because they started off with S-IPS panels in their 20" WFP monitors, but now use S-PVA panels as well once reviews involving things like colour accuracy were completed. That, and because customers are not getting a "steal" anymore. The Dell 20" LCD was the cheapest 20" S-IPS panel LCD monitor you could find. The price was really "Too good to be true," so for Dell to switch to S-PVA, even if only sometimes (they use both), doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong. Why? Because they are and were never obliged to offer 20" LCDs with S-IPS panels for what is likely at (or perhaps below) cost. They can switch LCD panel suppliers whenever they want, as long as they meet the advertised specs. They owe people monitors that meet the spec sheet, and since they never advertised this monitor as being an S-IPS panel LCD to begin with, it's not like they're taking anything away. They're still offering you what they advertise. They don't need to make 20" LCDs with S-IPS panels for 50% the price of other manufacturers, just like Apple isn't obligated to offer you a 30" ACD that's priced at $200.

The fact that some Dell 20" WFP monitors are still S-IPS is quite amazing, actually. If you were to get a 20" Viewsonic LCD or something with an S-IPS panel, you'd be paying much much more than what Dell is asking. This is also why the 20" Apple LCD is so expensive.

The only reason to worry about the type of panel is if colour accuracy is critical, and you need to send files or images to other pros, and you want that other pro to see the same colours you do (assuming the other pro also colour calibrates his LCD and has a decent screen). Printing is also a concern. For everyone else, PVA panels are fine. In terms of response time and colour accuracy, they're in between......they're not the worst at anything, but not the best, either. Some other panels are best for people who make colour accuracy their lowest priority (eg: movie watchers, gamers, regular use folks, etc).
 
I'm leaning toward the Dell 2407 myself to outfit my yet-to-be purchased Mac Pro.

Currently I have a home-built liquid-cooled desktop and my X1800XT drives two Dell 1900FP 19" LCD's. These are quite old. Though I have pretty good screen real estate with two of them, I am limited to 1280X1024 resolution, not to mention the fact that they have 25ms response times, and I won't even venure a guess as to their color accuracy. I'm running one DVI and on VGA from the PC to the monitors, and monitor 2 gets DVI in from my Powerbook.

Who knows, perhaps Appple will dazzle us with some good displays soon. But their current offerings, while being more color accurate than others, are just too overpriced.
 
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