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Originally posted by Les Kern
Okay, I'm continuing the off-topic, but here goes.
If you installed Mac OSX into a UFS partition (what I din't make clear above when using strictly OSX), then defragmenting would be a waste of time since the unix file system handles file fragmentation just fine. If you have HFS or HFS+, you need contiguous space for movies and such or use a lot of Classic apps, then defrag. Norton is best if only for it's speed over Plus Optimizer.

PlusOptimizer does take FOREVER, you're right. i have to leave it running all night usually. i am not sure how much of that it takes, but it's at least a 3-4 hour process on my 60 GB hdd.
 
how about a reply thats on topic.

when i want to uninstall an application,
i usually go to FILE>FIND and type it
the name of the application. i then select
the ones that belong to the application
and move them to the trash. you might
have to do a restart or log out and back in
for some applications. you know, the ones
that add things to the menu bar and such.

macs are easy...but god damn there soooo
customizable....i LOVE Codetek virtual desktop
soooooo much :D first piece of shareware that
has convinced me its worth it.
 
i gotta say
the customizable part was also another reason i switched

i fell in love with the whole konfabulator idea too
the mac just gave me everything ive ever wanted in a computer

the ease of use
ability to customize it
and the 17" PB is sure as hell gonna get me some jelous looks...and thats always a reason to switch
 
One of the things I loved about the Mac when I first got into it (Mac centris 610) was that I could just drag a program from one place to another - and it would still work! No autoexec.bat - no registry - no hidden files - no path... In fact, even the operating system itself could be dragged from one disk to another. Now Mac OS X is a little different, but for the most part all of that mac goodness is still there. It's great! I could never go back.
 
god i think im going to cry

you people actually understand my new love for macs
its soo hard to get my brother or friends to listen

they're always like....mac eh? what the hell? does it got programs and stuff?

ahh...finally people who understand me!!

finally!!
 
Originally posted by Heart Break Kid
god i think im going to cry

you people actually understand my new love for macs
its soo hard to get my brother or friends to listen

they're always like....mac eh? what the hell? does it got programs and stuff?

ahh...finally people who understand me!!

finally!!



ok then, since you sincerely seem touched by
the mac. and the fact that this utility proves
very helpful for organizing a lot of windows.
check out CodeTec Virtual Desktop. it allows
you to have multiple work spaces....i have a
desktop that i have, leaving all my web apps
open on that desktop, arranged just how i like
them. :D

BUT with the wave of a hand i slide over to my
finder desktop....just finder windows here...
and i have three workspace desktops. its so
minority report :D so coool
 
Thing that's beautiful on the Mac is that an icon for a program represents the whole program - everything. You can look at the individual files if you want (CTRL-CLICK and select Show Package Contents) but you're not forced to see every stinking file in the directory. And there aren't any stupid DLLs or Registry. Mac OS X is a far more intuitive OS that makes sense. I switched six months ago and love it. Welcome to a world where the computers actually work and increase productivity and things actually make sense. No more blue screens of death!
 
Originally posted by beatle888




ok then, since you sincerely seem touched by
the mac. and the fact that this utility proves
very helpful for organizing a lot of windows.
check out CodeTec Virtual Desktop. it allows
you to have multiple work spaces....i have a
desktop that i have, leaving all my web apps
open on that desktop, arranged just how i like
them. :D

BUT with the wave of a hand i slide over to my
finder desktop....just finder windows here...
and i have three workspace desktops. its so
minority report :D so coool

actually, virtual desktops are nothing special in the slightest. XP does that for free, after you buy XP, and linux does it for free, after you get linux for free. that is, depending on your window manager. KDE does it, i know, and i'd bet GNOME does too.
 
Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Thing that's beautiful on the Mac is that an icon for a program represents the whole program - everything. You can look at the individual files if you want (CTRL-CLICK and select Show Package Contents) but you're not forced to see every stinking file in the directory. And there aren't any stupid DLLs or Registry. Mac OS X is a far more intuitive OS that makes sense. I switched six months ago and love it. Welcome to a world where the computers actually work and increase productivity and things actually make sense. No more blue screens of death!

I have to agree with you, it's not so much the customizability of OS X i love. if you look around, Windows is actually much more customizable. you don't even have to use the explorer shell. i have seen some pretty intense stuff on Windows from people who use alternate shells and all. but escaping DLLs, and more importantly, the system registry, that's just priceless. well, the price of an apple, anyhow. DLLs are really powerful, but it seems that they are just too easy to totally screw up.
registries, blecch. that's got to be the most irresponsible way to structure an OS for which you intend to have 3rd party apps for. humbug!

the other nice thing: OS X is beautiful.
 
I was under the impression that OS X writes data into unfragmented blocks automatically. The idea being it saves time in the long run because you don't have to defrag. No?
 
Originally posted by Sedulous
I was under the impression that OS X writes data into unfragmented blocks automatically. The idea being it saves time in the long run because you don't have to defrag. No?

uhhh, i don't think so. i mean, it's not going to write a 500 MB file contiguously if there isn't the space on the drive to do so. I imagine OS X is much less frag prone than most OSes these days, but that doesn't mean it's frag free.
 
Well, if the OS takes the time to always write things contiguously there would be order to allow writing without having to fragment. I'd really like to know if someone has a definitive answer rather than conjecture.
 
Originally posted by Sedulous
Well, if the OS takes the time to always write things contiguously there would be order to allow writing without having to fragment. I'd really like to know if someone has a definitive answer rather than conjecture.

OSX does not write files that way. Simple answer, I don't have further explanation I just know that it does get fragmented.
 
Originally posted by Sedulous
Well, if the OS takes the time to always write things contiguously there would be order to allow writing without having to fragment. I'd really like to know if someone has a definitive answer rather than conjecture.

I think the OS just handles fragmentation better. apparently OS 9 would freeze more often when the HDD fragmented. i don't think such is the case with Linux type OSes/file systems. i can't explain why either, but if you have a 5 GB video to save and there is no consecutive 5 GB on the hard drive to put it onto, OS X won't magically lay it on the HDD contiguously.
 
Originally posted by Sedulous
Well, if the OS takes the time to always write things contiguously there would be order to allow writing without having to fragment. I'd really like to know if someone has a definitive answer rather than conjecture.

Something that is obvious but for some reason I misser earlier is that if you delete something all of a sudden you have an opening in the data spread of the hard drive. This is why as your hard drive get's fuller it is mroe likely to fragment. As ShadowFax has pointed out a couple times it will start writing to the open spaces. These open spaces as I pointed out above are from data that has been erased.

Even if you have unlimited space OSX will still get fragmented. Again I don't know the exact reasons why but I'm sure there is a good one.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
As ShadowFax has pointed out a couple times it will start writing to the open spaces.
I love your subtlety. i'm sorry for being redundant, i just forgot i had posted the info already. i should have quoted myself for more effect. it's late; i have this weird splitting headache, and i can't go to sleep yet.

I wonder, does anybody know if OS X will actually look for a wide open space to write files to? i have looked at some fragmentation graphs in XP and noticed that the hard drive often puts files out towards the outside of the disk where there is a great deal more contiguous open space for file writing.

I am going to guess that the hard drive doesn't just write to the first open sector it finds on the disk; i think at first it tries to keep stuff on the outside. but i would bet it writes little 10MB files to holes too. i don't really know how strategized saving is :)
 
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