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It's misleading to state "it's possible to upgrade components that include the SSD".

Apple tied the SSD to the T2 chip and to reset that, you need Apple's help!

From apple itself:
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Mac Pro supports up to two solid-state drive (SSD) modules. If you need to remove and replace the SSD modules, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider.
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It doesn’t say you cannot do that. It says to contact Apple.
It would be interesting to know if they sell additional SSDs and the price.
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Only a matter of time before that OWC RAM fails.
According to what ?
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If you buy Mac Pro do you really need a guide on how to put in extra RAM? :D
I can’t understand the question ...

If you buy a Mac Pro you could be totally unaware of what is inside the computer.
 
The following is not based on knowledge of the specific architecture of the Mac Pro, but general computer knowledge. Disclaimer over.

These CPUs support hex-channel memory. This means that the CPU will have six channels of communication to the memory. This can only be achieved if 6 or 12 slots are populated, so the CPU has either 1 or 2 DIMMs per communication channel. If 4 or 8 are populated it'll run in quad-channel mode.

Let's pretend we populate 8 slots with 64GB sticks, and 4 with 8GB sticks. If we put 1GB of data in each DIMM and try and access all that data, all at once, this will actually be faster than if we had only the 8 64GB DIMMs, since we can access the 1GB of data on 6 DIMMs simultaneously, versus putting the same amount of data on only 4 communication lines.
However, if we load up all the memory modules to the brim, the larger memory modules will obviously be used much more than the smaller modules when accessing all the data, since they just hold a larger percentage of it. This means the communication lines will be used unevenly and it won't scale the speed of communication as well. It in most any situation won't be slower than the case with only the 8, should in fact be faster, but not as fast as fully spreading the load across all 6 channels with evenly sized modules.

The very worst case would be having a single huge module and 5 tiny ones. Since almost all data would be stored just on the huge one, and not so much on the five smaller ones, communication from the CPU would almost effectively become single channel. - The point is more that if you want 256GB of memory, it is better performance wise to get it in 6 or 12 evenly sized modules, than it is to get a few huge ones and load the remaining with small ones, so they all can give and receive data simultaneously
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On the back of the memory cover the diagram of configurations is shown :)

Thank you very much for that thorough explanation!
 
A bit of a non-statement to be honest.

Many posts in the past concerning failing OWC RAM sticks. I've had multiple posts about it, as we ran an office full of Macs. Also had service technicians tell me on multiple occasions RAM failures are most pronounced with OWC brand.

But I'm not going to take the time to dig it all up. If you're happy with it, may your good fortune continue. I'm merely providing a different real-world perspective from someone who's manages scores of Apple machines, from the original cheesegrater through the present.
 
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It's misleading to state "it's possible to upgrade components that include the SSD".

Apple tied the SSD to the T2 chip and to reset that, you need Apple's help!

From apple itself:
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Mac Pro supports up to two solid-state drive (SSD) modules. If you need to remove and replace the SSD modules, contact Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider.
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well, having it removable is a move in the right direction

having it require Apple's "OK" and override? Not so.
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Only a matter of time before that OWC RAM fails.

do you have bad experience with OWC? haven't heard that they have a history of bad products (just a bit expensive, though still cheaper than Apple)

However, it's likely that OWC gets their RAM from exactly the same places that everyone else does, Including Apple.

Most of the chips themselves are only made by a handful of manufacturers. A lot of it just rebranded when put on DIMMs by their manfacturer.

While RAM DIMM's can fail. (I had a Corsair DIMM fail in 1 week), Corsair replaced the set free and it's been in a production workstation for a year now doing computational work.

DIMM's and RAM these days are so mature a product that failure is extremely rare. Apple's RAM itself is absolutely no different.
 
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So you went from the base 32 GB to 512 GB of RAM by swapping out the 4 sticks Apple supplied with 8 other sticks.

Is there any reason not to also install the 32 GB that came with the machine anyway? There's 12 slots. Apple's document at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210405 mentions "Use the same size memory modules across all slots to maximize performance", might be a good idea to benchmark this 512 GB, and '512 GB + 32 Gb' configurations?

I am totally out of the loop in that I've never bought a Mac Pro ever since Apple went Intel, the last PowerMac I had was a G4 (I'm carbon dating myself here ;)), my G3 and G4 powermacs never cared about different size DIMMS, I'd happily run 64 MB (not GB...) and 128 MB and 256 MB together...

It's not a big deal, I was just curious :)

All RAM has to match to be reliable. Really mismatched RAM will cause the computer to not even boot. closely mismatched could be quirky at times and you could end up chasing your tail trying to figure out why the computer is not stable/reliable. It is always best to have ALL of the same....so, you would have to dump some of it.
 
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It’s even better than that, brother!
I followed your link... those are brand-new unused sticks of RAM, not used.
Wow. That savings there is bonkers.
You save $5,000 over Apple’s price- that’s nearly enough for another Mac Pro, lol!
Oh dang I didn't even realize
 
Does anyone know if you can actually use the intel specs on max ram? e.g 1TB on the smaller core count Xeon's and 2TB on the higher (ok, I admit you won't get higher than 128gb sticks and 12 = 1.5 tb, but there may be larger sticks in the next several years)
 
As a professor, I qualify for the Education Pricing. Maxed out, it came to $47k. That's a savings of $5k over the non-education price. Sign up for a course at a local community college and save $5k. Starting price is $5599.
 
Save $1000s and $1000s in the long run, erm what, you save the money right away, not in the long run.
Apple's RAM prices are just insane, a small markup would be ok, not this.
Even if one could afford it I would not recommend buying from Apple, one can save a lot of money in 5 minutes, that's all it takes.
 
Everyone lauds the new Mac Pro case design, but it seems the old (pre trash can) design made the internals and RAM accessible without tools or disassembly.
What tools? He turned a handle to unlatch the case.
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Only a matter of time before that OWC RAM fails.
Uh why? Not like either Apple or OWC makes their RAM. In fact it may be the exact same manufacturer. I have never, ever had an OWC RAM dimm fail on me in many years of use. Also generally RAM is either dead out of the box, or dies when you spill red-bull into your case. I mean sure it can eventually fail for real, but the MTBF of RAM is way longer than you'd want to own that machine.
 
Very impressive to see that amount of RAM storage in a Mac. I still have my old Perform 6400 that cost me $2,000 in the late 90's. It came with 16MBs of RAM. $6,000 is actually fairly reasonable for what you get with the base 2019 Mac Pro.
 
Next video: How to turn on and login into Mac pro for "professionals".
Ah the irony of it all, on one hand Pro’s are well respected because they have deep pockets yet on the other hand the professional is assumed dumb as F because he needs to guided like a child to replace RAM.
 
I do like the 12 DIMM slots, but the channels Apple goes by looks confusing. Particularly the two slots that stand out : slots 2 and 11, in the support document.

Compare this to PC's where speed doesn't really matter, just the type has to match.
 
If you buy Mac Pro do you really need a guide on how to put in extra RAM? :D

Yes, you do. Not sure what you do for a living, but there are a lot of people who use computers in a professional capacity but don't know much about how they work beyond the performance numbers. I've talked to many PC users who do programming or IT work but don't know how to find their own IP address. People in many fields use pro-level applications and know those apps like the back of their hand, but the machine itself might be something that is normally maintained by an I.T. dept at their employer, or they may be transitioning from using a Macintosh system where they couldn't really do much upgrading on them (have you heard of these Apple systems? /s). With Apple's designs, accessing the motherboard isn't necessarily going to be as straightforward as "open this cover and there it is" like on more pedestrian mass-market Dells.
 
With the way you don't even need a screwdriver at all is the first step to simplicity i reckon.

Even so, users would still find ways to do it wrong, without a guide.
 
I am sure. If they read the logs and start seeing model numbers not matching the supported configuration there might be a few questions. We have customers denied service (or asked for a payment) for sticking additional memory not defined on their service contracts into servers.

That's a service contract. Apple has official, 1st party guides on replacing components in the machine with 3rd party components, including what specifications are supported. Whether the model is endorsed by Apple or not, if the specifications match what Apple writes in their guides, it's officially recognised as a possible configuration, though issues with the specific component should be taken up with the manufacturer.

That said they should just make macOS OpenSource. The last Mac that I could describe with awesome, wonderful, impressive is my MacBook Pro from 2012 and the last true MacPro.

I am a fan of anything open source, but Darwin being open is as far as we'll get. Though that's admittedly a lot as well.
I do think though there have been many brilliantly awesome Macs since then. I mean, for one thing the whole series of Retina MBPs before the 2016 was great. The iMacs have all been fantastic, save from individual configurations not cooling properly, the 12" MacBook was fantastic for what It was, though what it was was not very broadly appealing, and save from keyboard difficulties all the remaining laptops have been stellar though expensive. And the Mac mini was... Well, better than the last one.

Thank you very much for that thorough explanation!

You're very welcome.
 
It's called the Apple Tax ... and it's very real.
Apple charges $25,000 for the 1.5 TB upgrade (128GB x 12), while Dell charges $47,000 ($67,000 before the 30% discount). Now that’s a tax o_O

Crucial charges $20,000 for 2666MHz (though out of stock), no 2933MHz listed.
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I remember inserting interface cards to Apple II while the machine was on.
I remember doing that and frying a 16 or 18 pin PROM, and going over to a little shop on Bubb Road in Cupertino to buy a replacement. (I think it was around $10, and luckily it was socketed.) You were supposed to turn the power off before inserting or removing an interface card.
 
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Does anyone know if you can actually use the intel specs on max ram? e.g 1TB on the smaller core count Xeon's and 2TB on the higher (ok, I admit you won't get higher than 128gb sticks and 12 = 1.5 tb, but there may be larger sticks in the next several years)
I don’t think anyone can say yet. Apple computers often accept larger capacity DIMMs than Apple specs, but who knows?
 
That’s insane, lol.
Highly expandable tower Xeon workstations from Dell/Lenovo/HP have traditionally been very expensive, especially at the highest configs. And those who want those configs buy the memory from the manufacturer, they don’t upgrade it themselves. They want the warranty and service agreement.

That said, there is plenty of room for discounts, particularly for multiple units and procurement contracts.


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