Desktop Ivy Bridge not worth waiting for?

Discussion in 'iMac' started by salmoally, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. salmoally macrumors regular

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    Seems like from the various hardware sites that ivy bridge for desktop seems to provide maybe 2-5% improvement. Obviously the improved integrated graphics don't really apply to desktops.

    For laptops it seems like a good upgrade, around 15% better than SB, 50% better graphics and lower power consumption so battery life is improved.

    Going by just the increase in processing power waiting for the ivy bridge imac would have been a waste of time. Lets hope they do a redesign and include some nice graphics card options instead!
     
  2. Apple2000 macrumors member

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    Well, the 7970m (which the iMac 27" will likely have) is a bit faster than the 560 Ti. This is a huge upgrade from the 6970m which was more on the level of a 6850. +40% increase in graphics is nothing to scoff at.
     
  3. Occamsrazr macrumors 6502

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    Aren't they supposed to be much lower heat also? That would be very important in an iMac
     
  4. Battlefield Fan macrumors 65816

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    Initial test show they run about 10 degrees c hotter. The smaller die size is the blame.
     
  5. salmoally thread starter macrumors regular

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    I agree the graphics would be a good upgrade hence why in my OP i said I hope they include some good ones in the new iMacs.
     
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  7. Logos327 macrumors 6502

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    If you have a 2nd gen Sandy Bridge, and processors are the only things we are comparing, then no, IB is probably not worth waiting for (though I expect an iMac release within the next 2-4 weeks which is really no time at all).

    However, IB processors are only a minor part of the iMac refresh. There are many other factors to consider. I'll list two of the most important:

    1) It is financially dumb to pay May 2011 prices for May 2011 (and older, i.e. SSD speeds) hardware in May 2012.

    2) The 2011 iMac will theoretically lose support one year earlier than the 2012 iMac. Thus, if you wait ~ a month, you will gain a year worth of support for no extra cost.
     
  8. theSeb, Apr 28, 2012
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    That's only when overclocked. Ivy Bridge runs cooler at stock frequencies. Check out the reviews on anandtech and tomshardware.

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    According to all of the benchmarks that tomshardware ran, ivy bridge 3770K is, on average, 3.7% faster than the 2700K.

    Faster and uses less power

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    Anandtech echo this

     
  9. Bear, Apr 28, 2012
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    We should see an upgrade in the graphics cards. USB 3.0 is also likely to make an appearance.

    As for the processing power difference, that is making a presumption on which clock speed chips Apple decides to use in the upcoming iMacs.

    And who knows what other improvements will be in the iMacs that we didn't even think about.
     
  10. theSeb macrumors 604

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    There is another thing to remember here. The top iMac only had a 2600 CPU. The TDP of the 3770 is low enough for the iMac. Don't forget that the comparisons are against the sandy bridge 2700 CPU, which was not in the iMac range.
     
  11. thekev macrumors 604

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    I'd wait to see results from real machines. That would put the top 15" macbook pro around the current top imac.
     
  12. BlazednSleepy macrumors 6502a

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    I'm looking forward to the better GPU. That's what's going to mostly suit my needs.
     
  13. chrisrosemusic1 macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah I think this is why I have an interest.

    I upgraded from an i5 MBP 13" to the i7 in January but I am curious with the re design whether I'll be pulled back to upgrade again.. The CPU won't be noticeably different but I would definitely like the better graphics boost - I play a bit of EVE online and other games but they do run like crap at times even on lower settings. The bump from 384mb to even 512mb would be fantastic.

    Time will tell (and the wallet).
     
  14. RobinHood5 macrumors regular

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    My opine

    In my opinion and from what I've seen and heard on this sight I've made a conclusion.

    1. If the iMac is going to have a silent refresh it's most likely going to be in the next week or two and just POP up on the store.

    2. If its not just a refresh, something bigger like retina display or a complete overhaul it will most likely be announced at WWDC in June. Which in this case it's old be worth the wait in my opinion.

    I'm waiting, cause if it's just a refresh it'll be soon. Very soon. If its something huge it will mist defiantly be announced at WWDC and in that case it will definantly be worth the extra month
     
  15. salmoally thread starter macrumors regular

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    The results are from a real machine. I'm struggling to find the review now but cinebench scores (multicore) were 6.9 for the i7 quad mobile and 7.5 for the desktop version.

    Then again we can already see top end macbook pros with similar performance to top end imacs in various benchmarks and real life scenarios including rendering.

    see here: http://www.barefeats.com/imac11d.html

    There is only what 10% difference, sometimes less.
     
  16. Geolink macrumors member

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    Yeah, that sounds like the right thing to do. Guess waiting another month or two won't hurt.
     
  17. lifeguard90 macrumors 6502a

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    Waiting a month more will be hard enough. Two is not an option, 60 days.
     
  18. monkeybagel macrumors 65816

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    I have learned over the years that on refreshes they sometimes come with something that doesn't appeal to me, and I wish I had not have waited. For example, if I were going to get a MacBook Pro, I would get it now because Apple is expected to drop the ODD in the next one. The also did so in the Mac mini. Would not surprise me if they did so in the iMac. Would not buy one if they did.

    A few years ago, they dropped the numerical keypad. Now you have to buy one separate or order from the online store. Not a fan of that.
     
  19. Logos327 macrumors 6502

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    They didn't drop the numerical keypad. They gave you an option for wired with a numerical keypad or wireless without. If I remember correctly, they only recently (2011, 2010?) made the wireless option standard.

    You seem to insinuate that there is no way to get a wired keyboard in the store. Ignoring the question "what's so bad about ordering online," I find it hard to believe Apple stores 1) do not carry wired keyboards and 2) are unwilling to swap the wireless keyboard with a wired one. After all, they are willing to swap the magic mouse with the trackpad.
     
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    This is wrong information. When you BTO your machine you can select the other keyboard at no additional cost...
     
  22. Fishrrman macrumors G4

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    Yes, the Ivy Bridge models are worth waiting for, but not for the reason of increased speed (even though the new CPU chips will run a bit faster).

    Rather, the reason the wait will be worth it is because the Ivy Bridge chips carry native support for USB3 -- and hence, the new iMacs will come with USB3 (as will all Macs by the close of 2012).

    USB3 will become the most significant technological improvement on Macs in 2012. It will hasten the eclipse of firewire, and render Thunderbolt all-but irrelevant....
     
  23. NextGenApple macrumors regular

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    So you think Apple will render Thunderbolt useless by implementing USB 3. You clearly don't know Apple this is even more reason not to use USB 3.
     
  24. Logos327 macrumors 6502

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    "You clearly don't know" how USB 3 and Thunderbolt are meant to exist as complimentary protocols. There is no way Thunderbolt is "render[ed] useless" by the inclusion of USB 3.0. Sure, when talking about certain things such as external storage, (right now) the slight performance gains of TB are not worth the price difference when compared to USB 3.0. However, I'd like to see you daisy-chain a combination of PCI express enclosures, 2560x1600 monitors, and external storage through a given USB 3.0 port.
     
  25. NextGenApple macrumors regular

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    Point is you said hasten the eclipse of firewire, and render Thunderbolt all-but irrelevant My point is if Apple introduced/adopted light peak Aka thunderbolt why would they adopt something that could kill it? They could look at it like the iMacs are for high end users so keep USB to so if you want faster transfers you will need thunderbolt.

    Don't be surprised if you see intel HD graphics on the base model also. No need to down vote me cos you don't agree. Cos I know it was you.
     

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