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Now if they could just give this a 13" screen and drop the price a tiny bit, it would be a viable computer. We looked at one of these for my fiancé, and they specs fit her needs well, but the screen is unusably small. We ended up going with a 13" Pro.
 
Do people buy MBs? Isn't the 13" Pro nTB a better deal?
No, the Pro is heavier than the MB. I need both extremes, but obviously in different machines: For number crunching and GPU work, a heavy desktop (come on, release that promised modular Pro!!). For traveling and presentations, the MBP is too heavy for nowadays technology: I want a big screen in a light laptop. A 14 or 15 inch MB would be great (the 15’’ MBP is too heavy)
 
What about Thunderbolt 3?
From what I understand from the rumors, Intel won’t be integrating the TB3 controller into the Y-series CPUs until Ice Lake. So unless Apple uses a separate controller chip, which they haven’t done in any previous year, the MB won’t get TB3 this year. Hopefully Ice Lake won’t slip to 2020.

It seems like they could do a second port though and maybe upgrade to USB 3.1 Gen 2 for 10Gbps throughput instead of the current 5Gbps. What I’d really like though is a 14” model.
 
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Do people buy MBs? Isn't the 13" Pro nTB a better deal?

Yes, I bought a 2015 12" Retina Macbook. It's not fast, but it's very impressively *light*, so it's the machine to carry with you whenever you go anywhere even if you think you probably won't use it, just in case you might. Faster, but heavier, machines, I want to be more sure I'm going to use it to justify lugging that weight around.

When I say light, it is actually lighter than my iPad Pro in its logitech combo case & keyboard. Thinner too. It may actually not be *faster* though, (though it's hard to tell with their different respective workloads), which is a factor making me completely unafraid of the idea of Apple putting its A-series chips into macs.

I wouldn't have it as my *only* machine, which is worth saying. But it isn't; as a supplement to a more powerful system (until recently a 2015 13" MBP, now a Dell XPS 13 9370 running Ubuntu) that I tend to take when I am more certain to want to do real work on it away from home, it works great.

Put it this way, I sold the 13" MBP, I kept the 12" Macbook.

Also, after nearly three years, no problems yet with this 1st gen butterfly keyboard... (tempting fate I know)
 
are these things ever going to maintain their clock speeds up under sustain load?

Almost certainly not, but it's also really not the point of this laptop. If you care about sustained load get the 13'' MBP. I bought the bottom-line 2015 and upgraded to a 2017 mid-tier rMB and these have easily been my favorite Mac laptop since the first titanium Macbook Pro that came out in like 2003. There are a few times where it stutters though, like it does not handle watching 1080p streams and mirroring my MB display to my Apple TV, which I was doing to watch the World Cup. I had to use my iMac for that.
 
Mac mini. Thanks.
Nah. The Mac mini can use higher power chips.

What about Thunderbolt 3?
Probably not. But then again, the Dell laptop with these includes Thunderbolt 3. It could be separate TB controller though.

It is interesting to see the improvements. These are only like what 4.5w?
5 W is the rumour, so a little bit of a TDP bump if true.

Wow I hadn’t even clocked that there was another 14nm Y - I thought 8th gen Y was still set to be cannonlake.
Me too... I thought that was the last plan I heard. Guess 10 nm is really going bad and Intel figured they needed to release some kind of update to the Y series too. Wonder if the 9th gen will all be on 14 nm too...
Intel itself mentioned Amber Lake Y back about 6 weeks ago.

https://newsroom.intel.com/editoria...pushing-boundaries-modern-computers-computex/

And there have been a few small leaks about it since.

The Prius of laptops
Hmmm... I own a 2017 Core m3 MacBook, and a 2012 Prius Plug-in Hybrid. :)

But we also have a Core i5 iMac, and a 2016 RAV4 Hybrid.
 
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If Apple would make the display from edge to edge I would buy this instead of 13” MacBook Pro.
 
These MacBooks are just so ugly. The black keyboard and "rose gold" (dark pink) clash. The keys look absolutely enormous on such a small computer. I've never warmed to the 12" display either. The MacBook is neither here nor there. It's not pretty enough to be a showcase laptop; it's not powerful enough to do real work on.
 
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Are the regular MacBooks selling? In enterprise IT, we are mostly deploying the MacBook Pro non-touch bars. It is just corporate budget money though, easy to spend.
 
Mac mini. Thanks.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! :)

Please do not give Apple any ideas...waiting four (4) years for them to decide to stick a 5w CPU inside a box the size of an AirPort Express, so that Tim Cook can save a few more bucks might just send me over the edge.

28w U-Series at least, 15w U-Series Kaby Lake would even be okay.

Or were you being sarcastic? Please, God, let it be sarcasm.
 
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These MacBooks are just so ugly. The black keyboard and "rose gold" (dark pink) clash. The keys look absolutely enormous on such a small computer. I've never warmed to the 12" display either. The MacBook is neither here nor there. It's not pretty enough to be a showcase laptop; it's not powerful enough to do real work on.

But it’s so freakishly light, makes my 13” Pro 2016 feel heavy as a tank.

I would gladly use one if only was it more capable and had at least two thunderbolt 3 ports and edge to edge display.
 
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Are the regular MacBooks selling? In enterprise IT all we are deploying are the MacBook Pro mostly non-touch bars. It is just corporate budget money though.

I've always wondered what the purpose of the MacBook was. In theory, it fills a niche in between the keyboard-less larger screen iPad and the new standard 13" MacBook Pro.

However, I've always missed the 14" display of the Pismo and found a 13" display to be a significant step backwards so the 12" seems too small to be truly useful for a computer. It's something I'd use in a pinch but wouldn't want to for hours at a time.

It's a weird, oxymoronic design. An ugly boutique model without the screen real estate or power of an actual computer. It's just....there.

Not to mention lack of MagSafe, usb-a, unreliable, loud, glitchy, uncomfortable keyboard.

It is simply a design failure. And it's not even a pretty or powerful design failure like the pro line.
 
These MacBooks are just so ugly. The black keyboard and "rose gold" (dark pink) clash. The keys look absolutely enormous on such a small computer. I've never warmed to the 12" display either. The MacBook is neither here nor there. It's not pretty enough to be a showcase laptop; it's not powerful enough to do real work on.
If you can do real work on a current MacBook Air or a 2013 13" Core i5 MacBook Pro, you probably can do real work on a MacBook.

The entry level 2017 Core m3 MacBook actually decodes 4K 10-bit HDR HEVC video better (25% CPU usage with no dropped frames) than a top-of-the-line 2015 Core i7-6700K iMac (100% CPU usage with lots of dropped frames).

The MacBook also supports an external 4K display by the way.
 
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