On a large scale this may be true but I see plenty of independent developers excited about developing for Vision Pro (and hoping that get selected for the in person labs that just opened up).
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You make some good points but it's the stickiness of the device where I'm dubious. After the novelty wears off will people be jumping to a device which has 2 hours battery life and can become uncomfortable after a few hours use or will they just go to their iPad or Mac given what it does is largely the same?
When Vision Pro launches it will be sold out immediately due to initial interest and limited supply. But once more supply begins to come on board and demand eases I'm curious whether Apple will be able to maintain the hype. This will be the most dangerous period in terms of adoption of the product and if those early buyers begin to switch off it will begin to look ominous.
I feel you could very well be right here.
Naturally there is going to be a lot of wow, hype and excitement over this device upon launch and for many months after, but there is going to be a big fall off I'm sure, and then we shall see just how many people are going to want to be wearing this for work, as opposed to the current people who are willing to wear headsets for their entertainment.
This could so easily crash and burn as what Apple want to sell and tried their best to advertise they can not and have not made.
Basically they showed off, and talked about a product that may exist in 10 years time, but have made a product that does not match this future vision.
It's either going to be a very long slow slog year after year till they get there whilst they try to keep the public interested, or they will realise that can't make what they need to make, it get's taken off the market as a failure for now, and they relaunch in 5 to 10 years with a more realistic product.
One thing is for sure, it's going to be a very interesting thing to watch happen.
I completely agree that for the Vision Pro to be a success, it needs to be useful for work, not just entertainment.
What Apple presented does feel very futuristic. Like when they introduced Siri, and it never performed at the level they presented it in their ads. I'm a bit more optimistic about VP than Siri, because it involves hardware, and Apple tends to get hardware right, whereas Siri was pure software. But getting VP to function well and widely adopted by the general public could be a years long and even decades long process, like it was with the Mac and point-and-click graphical interface, rather than with iPhone/iPad and multi-touch, which was widely adopted in just a few years.
Yes, very!
Yup, remember the first iPad? It can run all iPhone apps from the get go and for a while that's all we got before those Apps get 'updated' into iPad version. Now it's common to see both iPad and iPhone versions available for the same Apps with iPad version is different in resolution and sometimes layouts.
I would imagine the similar thing to happen with Vision Pro. Already Apple mentioned that all the iPad apps can run inside Vision Pro in canvas mode from the get go. But users would of course prefer native Vision Pro version of those Apps just like we prefer native iPad apps on iPad rather than a smaller blurry version of iPhone. As it took at least a couple of years from iPhone transition to iPad, I would imagine it would take several years more for iPad transition to Vision Pro.
Let’s face it, it’s Apple… developers will add and have interest that will get people to use it. I’m firmly a big believer this is the future of tech so I think Apple has developers will go all out
Vision Pro is a big risk for Apple - even if they sold it for £10 it just might not be something enough people want in their lives to sustain it as a viable product. Products like the Quest and Index have shown that these things tend to go in the cupboard and gather dust for many buyers.
Yup this is the biggest risk. Even if the technology is impressive and the price point accessible, the question still stands if people even want this device in the first place.
Palmer Luckey (founder of Oculus) goes into that idea in this interview. Very interesting.
I personally hope people do because I just love the concept, and I want Apple to continue to develop the space. Which they can't if it ends up flopping and the whole lineup gets canned.
At the very least Apple should release a less-expensive headset to truly test the market. $3500 is insane even for an Apple fanboy like myself.
It is the biggest risk but not because of Quest and Index. Despite having VR and AR, Vision Pro is still a different category of product with new target. Spatial computer is still very alien to most people, not until Apple released it to the public, not until people started using it, not until people saw themselves what the device is used for, capable of and differentiate itself from anything else, no one could be convinced or made justification of a $3500 'what the heck is this thing' product. Not until then, it would remain 'niche'. Be patient.
Well, except for a few people who were lucky enough to try it. They knew what is coming.
people can say those who wore it are apple fanboys but all were in love with it.It could certainly catch on if the people who loved it will also be same people who buy it. It will be like no other VR headset lets face it.
This. The adult entertainment industry is always an early adopter of new technologies.
They don't even need to go down this path. Videos filmed on the Vision Pro, sold elsewhere, and then use the standard video player for playback.
People who demoed the units said it was 'like being at the kids birthday party'. This has a clear parallel for adult videos. People who can afford the headset will pay big bucks for these sort of videos. Profit.
Very few people are talking about this really obvious use case.
Interesting thought.
I wonder if Apple will block such a concept.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Apple WILL block it.
I mean can you just imagine the new article:
"Apple Vision Pro headset used to distribute pornographic content between users"
That's a usage Apple are not going to want spoken about with their 'family friendly' place they want to be in the world.
If they get news of this happening, they will for sure but in AI software which will detect "bare human skin" type imagery and block it.
I mean, what's the difference between filming pornography using your smartphone vs the Vision Pro? Why is it okay to have sex videos on your phone but the same thing would be considered taboo on a headset?
Guy Godin Xitted on June 5 “Remember that the Rift launched with an Xbox controller in the boxGuy Godin's Virtual Desktop app is a lot different from the Mac Handoff feature. Mac Handoff requires you to be in front of your Mac. Virtual Desktop allows you to remote into any PC no matter where you are, with the desktop becoming part of your surroundings. While Mac Handoff just puts a computer monitor in your world, Virtual Desktop allows you to make the computer your world.
The desktop becomes controllable with just your hands, unlike handoff that requires a keyboard and mouse. You can even play VR games through it (provided you have a VR ready PC.)
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But besides the great practical use Virtual Desktop offers, it's important to get that app onto visionOS because of it's creator: Guy Godin. Guy Godin is the defacto VR developer, the one the rest of the industry looks up to. He arguably pioneered "spatial computing."
If you get Guy Godin on board with the Apple Vision, other XR developers will follow him.
Very impressive stuff nevertheless, I’m looking forward to develop for the Vision Pro!”
The Quest and Index are VR devices with a limited scope for applications. They are not in the same universe as Vision Pro.
You make a good point.
I am unaware on what Apple's current iPhone policy is on selling Pornography taken on an iPhone to others via any Apple store type of method as opposed to simply via the internet.
Are we assuming that Vision Pro users will be able to simply go to a web browser, download and install something from a web site, or the only way will be to purchase software/data via an Apple store?
One could make the argument that Adult material in AR is different to a 2D screen version.
It's certainly going to be interesting to see how Apple handles this.
In theory, with advanced enough software, once your room is mapped, then one could create adult material which interacts within your home layout.
This would of course be of great interest to a percentage of users, after all. It's said that such content was one of the reasons for the Internet gaining popularity in the 1st place.
We can be sure Apple have talked about this, and of course they won't talk about their decisions, so it will be interesting to see what happens over the next year or two when devs who wish to create adult AR/VR content try to do it.
They of course won't be able to sell such apps/experiences via an Apple vision pro store, so we'll have to see what other routes Apple allows there to be to get content onto the device.
It sounds like we are thinking way too much about this.
Currently, I am able to torrent shows from the internet, transfer the video files from my Mac to my iPad either via external storage, continuity or airdrop. There are video containers like infuse which allow me to organise and play my content.
I expect to be able to do something similar with the vision pro as well. Apple may not allow apps specifically showing X-rated content, but third party sources should still remain possible.
Indeed, and as an Adult I hope Apple does not block a totally legal method of "Entertainment"
However, they could block it.
I'd guess it all depends on articles that come out later on some time after the launch, and what "Adult Devs" are able to achieve.
Just watching such content on a floating screen may be fine, but being able to bring an adult character into your home 3D space is going to need a lot more access to the Vision Pro's abilities and that may be where they draw the line.
I hope not, as an adult I want to be on control of what I See and experience as long as it's all legal, so I hope Apple don't block advanced AR adult material like this but my gut feeling is they will.
Hope I'm wrong.
For me this product reminds me of the HomePod in many ways. Apple enter the segment several years late and release a product much more expensive than the competition who have significant market share. Realistically, do many people here think a £3500 AR headset computer is going to appeal to a mass consumer audience? Headsets are niche to begin with, and Apple are pricing themselves at the very high end of this niche. It is no wonder there are articles suggesting developers are reluctant to commit at this point.
Appeal to a mass consumer audience? Definitely not at this price point (let’s just be honest y’all).
However, I do believe it will be successful despite the price. For comparison, Quest Pro was a total flop at $1500.
But if Apple markets the device will, I think the Vision will sell “surprisingly” well. That’s also the optimist in me because I really want this product category to succeed 🙈
Personally, I’d never drop this much on a MacBook Pro or PC setup. But I’m absolutely saving up to buy the Vision Pro.
Appeal to a mass consumer audience? Definitely not at this price point (let’s just be honest y’all).
However, I do believe it will be successful despite the price. For comparison, Quest Pro was a total flop at $1500.
But if Apple markets the device will, I think the Vision will sell “surprisingly” well. That’s also the optimist in me because I really want this product category to succeed
Personally, I’d never drop this much on a MacBook Pro or PC setup. But I’m absolutely saving up to buy the Vision Pro.
I suppose success and the metric Apple will use to measure it with the VisionPro is unknown at this point too. We as general consumers just assume success is measured by millions of units sold and is knowing many people who buy them, much like the iPhone. However it could be deemed a success with just a couple of million sold. I don’t think it’ll be a mass consumer product like the iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch, but who knows, it might be successful within its niche.
I want to dive into AR or VR to experiment, but (1) I have glasses and (2) I've heard too many people talk about vomiting after playing some games. So I figure I can wait it out until I try it without buying first.