except that you are allowed. just yesterday I installed an app for the dog walking service I signed up to work for right from Safari. no app store in the mix
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Developers Sue Apple Over App Store Fees in Latest Class Action Lawsuit
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except that you are allowed. just yesterday I installed an app for the dog walking service I signed up to work for right from Safari. no app store in the mix
microsoft also had high market power in the personal computing device OS market and was using it to promote their entry into another market. they tried to argue that Internet Explorer was a part of the operating system and they might have gotten away with that argument if not for the language in the OEM contracts that IE had to be installed (as opposed to was built into the OS installation) and no other browser could be installed. that's where they screwed themselves.
Apple hasn't been determined to be a market of its own. so they are part of the same personal computing device market as Microsoft, HP, Google, Samsung etc. and when considered as a whole, Apple may not have the market power to be considered a legal issue. especially when the issue is software for their systems.
now that said, I do agree that 30% is a tad high, even 15% is a bit high for those recurring subscriptions. it makes Apple look greedy. drop it down to 20% and 10% or even 15% and 10% and it's a bit more reasonable.
as for the 99 cents and $99 developer fee. frankly I don't see how anything under 99 cents is worth it, unless it's limited to IAP. and okay perhaps the $99 is a tad high. maybe scale it for the number of apps you are submitting. $49 for your first 3 and then $99 if you want to do more. especially if they keep the sales percent thing at 30%
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i'm curious what are their commissions
Yup, its monopolistic by only allowing apps from the App store on iOS. If Apple one day decides I can only install apps on my Mac from their App store is probably the day I switch completely to Windows.
It is also anti competitive for subscription based apps/services where there is not a 30% profit margin. How can Spotify compete on the App store when it would be charged 30% of its subscription when Apple's own competing music service has no 30% fee attached to it.
Sure, you can subscribe outside of the App Store to Spotify, but with simplicity comes additional sales.
Simply allow apps to be installed from outside the App Store and don't take a cut of the subscriptions made through these apps.
It is also anti competitive for subscription based apps/services where there is not a 30% profit margin. How can Spotify compete on the App store when it would be charged 30% of its subscription when Apple's own competing music service has no 30% fee attached to it.
Sure, you can subscribe outside of the App Store to Spotify, but with simplicity comes additional sales.
Simply allow apps to be installed from outside the App Store and don't take a cut of the subscriptions made through these apps.
Google takes 30% aswell. But after 12months drops to 15% for subsciption Products.
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/112622?hl=en
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/112622?hl=en
This never was about a monopoly. It’s about money. Case and point, this lawsuit.
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And guess who they got that idea from...
Apple cried unfair when they didn’t want to pay a high percentage to Qualcomm.
Take the rate they agreed on and make that the App Store rate.
They even had the option to switch to Intel or someone else, but iOS users and devs don’t have the option to switch stores. Maybe do 1/2 the rate they agreed to with Qualcomm until they allow a 3rd party App Store.
Take the rate they agreed on and make that the App Store rate.
They even had the option to switch to Intel or someone else, but iOS users and devs don’t have the option to switch stores. Maybe do 1/2 the rate they agreed to with Qualcomm until they allow a 3rd party App Store.
Apple is just a retailer selling goods at retail prices and buying them at wholesale prices. Is it okay for Amazon to make money on each sale? If you said yes, then it's okay for Apple to make money on each sale. And Apple's percentage is likely less than Amazon's.
They’ve been ripping off developers for a long time, they should be used to it and not complain. Right?
You can buy apps in many places too.
And I don't think McDonald's allows you to go to their stores and eat food that you bought from somewhere else.
MS and Android devs have the option to sell outside those markets if they don't like the fees.
With Apple you have only one option.
MS and Android devs have the option to sell outside those markets if they don't like the fees.
With Apple you have only one option.
Then don’t host your app in the store. That simple. There’s other markets available so hardly a monopoly.
Show me where I can download an iOS app and install it on my iPhone or iPad without going through the app store.
Many iOS apps are also available on Android. That's the beauty of having more than one player in the market, hence, not a monopoly. But if the developer chooses to only create an iOS version of the app then I guess whoever wants to get that app from somewhere besides the App Store is out of luck. Might as well sue the developer too at that point right?
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Developers and users that don’t like it should migrate to Android which caters to just these desires. Or jailbreak their phones.
Apples cut has always been seen as reasonable by the majority but Americans that can’t get their way always run off to find a judge to mess with the market for them.
At the heart of this issue is whether you want a walled garden or not. I do on a phone. I like to mess with crazy stuff on my computer but not my phone. For those who cannot stand it there are plenty of alternatives - use them please don’t change what I think the majority like about their Apple phones.
Developers and users that don’t like it should migrate to Android which caters to just these desires. Or jailbreak their phones.
Apples cut has always been seen as reasonable by the majority but Americans that can’t get their way always run off to find a judge to mess with the market for them.
At the heart of this issue is whether you want a walled garden or not. I do on a phone. I like to mess with crazy stuff on my computer but not my phone. For those who cannot stand it there are plenty of alternatives - use them please don’t change what I think the majority like about their Apple phones.
Here's that dumb ass argument again.
Wal-Mart? Seriously? Here's the thing chief. Anything I buy at Wal-Mart, I can get at Target. Or Amazon.
If I make, Product X, I can sell my product at the stores I just mentioned.
But if I make Product Xapp, I can only sell it in the App store. Plus the make me pay annually for the privilege of doing so AND telling me how to make Product Xapp AND take 30% on top.
Junkware shouldn't be a concern since Apple reviews each app in the App Store. Just like the retailers I mention above decide which products they want to carry.
Remember, Apple is the same company that sells monitors without a stand, and charges 20% of the retail price for the stand.
You don’t. If the author isn’t happy with the way the App Store works, pull the app and go somewhere else.
We all know they won't because the App Store still is the most profitable one even when they have a quite small market share.
This is different than retail, which allows me to drive down the road and choose from Walmart or the mom and pop store. Consumers are locked into a 2 year contract with no choice during that time of where they shop. How would you feel if you were forced to only buy from Walmart for 2 years or only sell in Walmart on Walmart’s terms to reach those people?
I applaud this lawsuit and it sounds like a lawyer who really knows what he is doing. I hope he looks to how Steam charges 30% and the competing store Epic charges 12%. Competing app stores are a good thing for developers and consumers (games like the Division 2 were cheaper on epic store than steam as a result)...or at least downloads from the internet like on Macs.
If I want a pair of shoes, jeans. Want a gallon of milk. Do I have options?
If I want to put gas in my gas, oh wait, not gasoline, it’s special for this car, I need diesel. Can I not get it at different places?
If I have a TV, I can watch cable, chose over air, direct TV. I have options
Why because I own a phone that is made by them am I only to buy apps through one option? Why are developers only able to sell through them after paying already a yearly developer license fee?
Seriously this again. So you want to be able to use the App Store Apple creates for free and still make money from it? And they want reimbursement for the fees. How ok you can have the fees back once you have paid back the money you have been paid for using the App Store. Greedy people always want something for nothing. Would like to know which devs so I can avoid their apps.
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Yes Android is the number one OS but mainly because they make a lot of cheap garbage handsets which are more popular in high density poorer countries. Also look at Android the amount of times you hear about dodgy apps that have been installed from other places other than the play store is that what people really want for Apple. If this stupid lawsuit wins people will then complain that Apple is not doing enough to protect them against software that they choose to install infecting their phones then there will be another stupid lawsuit. Are there not better things the legal system can be used for.
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I do not believe $99 to be high it is $149 in Australia but if you are a business it would be tax deductible. Also gives you access to a lot of tools and resources. But anybody who signs up to this is making a choice. If you do not like the terms do not sign up.