Devs warned apple about maps...

[DimeTech]

You're not getting it. If I want to know if a particular route I want to take has traffic on it or not, I would much rather have the map explicitly show me there isn't traffic than have it show me nothing at all and leave me no better off than before I opened the maps app - especially if I am in an unknown-to-me area.

Oh I got it. Sounds like yr not getting it. Sounds like yr having trouble adapting. Traffic is the anomaly not free-flowing movement. Traffic is what needs to be reported not an open highway. Like I said maybe not the best implementation but it works and if you don't understand it that's your issue.

 

[Orange Crane]

Cool, I can advertise my central London flat as having rural views apparently.

It's notable that people who think central Tokyo and London are "suburbs" are people with poor enough geographic awareness to think Apple's Maps are good.

Lets be realistic here. While yes, it should work as advertised in most places, ESP London which is a tier 1 or 2 city if I'm correct, keep in mind that like many products, ESP those by American companies, the United States is priority number 1. We have the most consumers of any nation on the planet and it'd be ignorant to think that companies aren't focused on the United States. No need to get your knickers in a bunch. Just sayin'...

Yup. When you're using products made by a company headquartered in Tokyo or London then you have a point. Don't be surprised when an American company has a better / less expensive offering for their domestic customers, regardless of what you think you personally deserve.

 

[cyks]

Oh I got it. Sounds like yr not getting it. Sounds like yr having trouble adapting. Traffic is the anomaly not free-flowing movement. Traffic is what needs to be reported not an open highway. Like I said maybe not the best implementation but it works and if you don't understand it that's your issue.

Right, but how are we to know if it's a free flowing highway or a lack of traffic data? With the current shape of Apple's Maps, I'd rather it actually show it's freely moving so I know that there's accurate data for the area... something most other Navigation/ Live Traffic do, in some form or another.

Yup. When you're using products made by a company headquartered in Tokyo or London then you have a point. Don't be surprised when an American company has a better / less expensive offering for their domestic customers, regardless of what you think you personally deserve.

The bulk of my problems have been either in or within 20 miles of Manhattan. Some have been updated, many have not. Let's not make this another 'America' vs. 'The World' argument as there's no need... Apple's Maps are lacking everywhere.

 

[Brazuca]

Right, but how are we to know if it's a free flowing highway or a lack of traffic data? With the current shape of Apple's Maps, I'd rather it actually show it's freely moving so I know that there's accurate data for the area... something most other Navigation/ Live Traffic do, in some form or another.





The bulk of my problems have been either in or within 20 miles of Manhattan. Some have been updated, many have not. Let's not make this another 'America' vs. 'The World' argument as there's no need... Apple's Maps are lacking everywhere.

My experience is that POIs suck. Maps and directions are fine, even if I would have preferred to go across the park to reach the west side.

 

[atteligibility]

Traffic is what needs to be reported not an open highway.

That would be fine if we had trust in the system. But given the state of this app right now, we can't conclude that no reports=no traffic, and have to conclude that no reports=no data, making the whole thing unusable. Do you drive through the shortest section with reported traffic or a longer route with no data?

 

[The Phazer]

Not very intelligent to compare 1 country to the field for purposes of revenue. Also funny that you're implying international people would cease to buy apple products because they cant see their house on a map.

Beyond parody.

 

[GoSh4rks]

Oh I got it. Sounds like yr not getting it. Sounds like yr having trouble adapting. Traffic is the anomaly not free-flowing movement. Traffic is what needs to be reported not an open highway. Like I said maybe not the best implementation but it works and if you don't understand it that's your issue.

Explain to me how not knowing the difference between "no traffic" and "no traffic data available" is a good thing when planning a route.

 

[DimeTech]

Explain to me how not knowing the difference between "no traffic" and "no traffic data available" is a good thing when planning a route.

First off I never said anything was a good thing. As a matter of fact I said several times it could be better implemented.

Second have you personally encountered an area that said nothing and there WAS traffic? That doesn't absolutely mean there is no data. It could mean it hasn't been reported yet and updated. How many times have you used google and seen green but there ends up being traffic? That's happened to me countless times. I'm not buying this no data bs. You can't really prove that there is no traffic data unless you sit there all day and make the appropriate observations.

Once again I said it wasn't ideal, but I'm flexible enough to comprehend a multiple scenarios instead of blindly following the one presented to me.

 

[cyks]

First off I never said anything was a good thing. As a matter of fact I said several times it could be better implemented.

Second have you personally encountered an area that said nothing and there WAS traffic? That doesn't absolutely mean there is no data. It could mean it hasn't been reported yet and updated. How many times have you used google and seen green but there ends up being traffic? That's happened to me countless times. I'm not buying this no data bs. You can't really prove that there is no traffic data unless you sit there all day and make the appropriate observations.

Once again I said it wasn't ideal, but I'm flexible enough to comprehend a multiple scenarios instead of blindly following the one presented to me.

Near me, Apple's street and address data is seriously lacking... why should I blindly trust that the rest of their data is working as intended? ... something that even the bulk of their competitors don't ask of me.

Most other nav/ traffic apps and peripherals I've used show good movement (in some form or another) where traffic usually occurs.... but then, they all have an auto 'sundown' feature as well.

 

[GoSh4rks]

Second have you personally encountered an area that said nothing and there WAS traffic? That doesn't absolutely mean there is no data. It could mean it hasn't been reported yet and updated. How many times have you used google and seen green but there ends up being traffic? That's happened to me countless times. I'm not buying this no data bs. You can't really prove that there is no traffic data unless you sit there all day and make the appropriate observations.

There is a 4-lanes-in-each-direction expressway here in the South Bay that I would actually use to get to Apple HQ if I wanted to get there from my house. I know it is always backed up and slow at this hour. Apple Maps does not show any data for it.

Unless I ALREADY know the general traffic conditions, what use is their current representation to me, if I wanted to get to Apple?

 

[atteligibility]

Second have you personally encountered an area that said nothing and there WAS traffic?

The question wasn't for me, but anyway, the answer is a big YES. Freeway closing last weekend, 5 miles traffic bumper to bumper, not moving at all. Turn by turn directions took me right into it.

 

[dv8r]

Second have you personally encountered an area that said nothing and there WAS traffic?

Not for me either - but: Just today, took me right into a standstill on the freeway due to an accident. Apparently this was reported on the news 30 minutes before I got "in line", maps didn't report congestion at all.

 

[Italianblend]

Haha this is becoming another apple maps is a disaster thread.

I was just curious about the developers actually warning apple this was going to happen and they just ignored them. Apple really is taking a dive.