Did 1password just go subscription only?

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  1. dugbug macrumors 65816

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    Looks like the mac app store version of 1password 7 now requires a $3/mo subscription in order to use it. Thats $36/year to rent a password manager. That is a tough value proposition for all but the most diehard 1password fans. (iOS version does not require the subscription). I can understand issues with the app store with the free upgrades model, but a subscription is not what I was hoping for.

    There is mention of a licensed version you can get if you are an existing user and want to update to the non-app store version with a fixed license. Cost of doing this? A discounted license of $50 (down from $65). Ouch.

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  2. chscag macrumors 68030

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    Yeah, I hear you. I'm sticking with my version 6 and do not like the subscription model nor the current upgrade price of $49.99. I understand that price is only for awhile and will go up later on. I've even begun to use Keychain and may completely remove 1Password 6.
     
  3. entropyfl macrumors regular

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    Yeah its a shame that everything is moving to a subscription model these days I really wish it wouldn't. I too have thought about Key chain but not sure how secure it is? I mean if say someone managed to get into your computer it would autofill all the passwords for them?
     
  4. shinji macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, but that person would still need your password to get access to your computer at all, just like they would need your 1password credentials to autofill with its browser extension.
     
  5. mkelly macrumors regular

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    Keychain is a good option if you're Mac and iOS-only - and definitely easy to use. If you need a cross-platform password manager have a look at Enpass (https://www.enpass.io). They're definitely "1Password-inspired" in terms of their UI design (although not nearly as nice as 1P). But they support iOS, Android, Windows, Linux and macOS. The desktop clients are free and the mobile apps are a one-time $10 purchase.

    One other thing I like is that you have your choice of password sync backends: iCloud, Dropbox, Google Drive, Box, OwnCloud/NextCloud, WebDAV and folder sync (whew!). It's also pretty easy to import your 1Password vault.

    Not affiliated with them in any way - I just discovered them a couple weeks ago. I haven't been too happy with the direction that 1Password has taken, and Enpass looks like a viable alternative (if a bit rough around the edges).
     
  6. bluespark macrumors 68000

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    Agree on all counts. I've been very happy with 1Password but have no interest in upgrading for $50 or with a subscription. I'll therefore keep the current version as long as it works and will stop using it if the upgrade becomes necessary.
     
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    I'm not a fan of the subscription model for software that doesn't really need that much in the way of serious updating (looking at YOU, MS Office). However, 1Password lives within the very dynamic, and critically important, field of cyber security. The developers of this sort of software need to be somewhat more than your standard run-of-the-mill code monkey (again, MS Office), and they need to stay on top of a rapidly changing technology. I consider paying $3/mo to protect my passwords across all my devices in an easy-to-use app a bargain. (No, I don't work for Agilebits.)
     
  8. mkelly macrumors regular

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    I agree with all of the above - and have no problem with paying for a subscription for software as you describe. My issue with 1Password is with their transition to an online service. Being the security-minded sysadmin that I am, I prefer to store my password files (encrypted or otherwise) locally, or on a cloud service that I manage & control. But as most people out there are not sysadmins, 1Password's offering makes sense.
     
  9. Mr. Heckles, May 23, 2018
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    No they didn’t. If you want to buy a license for a stand alone, you have to get it from their store:

    https://1password.com/downloads/

    FYI: you don’t own the app even when you buy it, you’re buying a license to use it.

    They have a whole thread about the new 1Password

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...asier-access-to-vaults-and-much-more.2119667/

    This is the 1st time in 5 years they are charging for an upgrade. Do you expect all upgrades to be free?

    Then don’t get the subscription/online version. They are making the stand alone version and you can go that route. No one is forcing you to go either way.
     
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    Definitely check out that thread - lots of info there. Also note that those of us who haven't (or won't) upgraded macOS beyond El Cap are stuck on 1Password 6.
     
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    In in the same boat with my one Mac, oh well. I’m waiting to see what happens with the new MacBook pros and the whole meltdown issue before I buy.

    Software doesn’t last forever.
     
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    I don't know about that - I'm still running a pre-Windows DOS program (Managing Your Money) from 1985 in DosBox. Haven't found a better home budget program yet. I'm sunk when DosBox stops being updated!
     
  13. dugbug thread starter macrumors 65816

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    "No they didn't" what? Im not following you. The mac app store version is subscription only as stated, and there is a licensed version you can get, as stated. You have to find the download section on their website to get the license version, and buy it new and its all clear as mud but its available.

    Do I expect all upgrades to be free? Well of course not. I clearly pointed out I feel it is overpriced, which is not the same thing as demanding an update be free.
     
  14. Powermax macrumors regular

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    So if I have bought version 6 from the MAS and want to upgrade to the new version I’d have to get it from their site and loose iCloud sync? Yeah right, never mind...
     
  15. Mr. Heckles macrumors 6502

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    The subject of the thread:

    “Did 1password just go subscription only?”


    And I said: "No they didn't"



    It’s on sale for $50, and it was last updated 5 years ago. So that’s $10 a year. I personally don’t think that’s a bad deal in my opinion.
     
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    I do agree that their site could do a better job of explaining what's going on. It took me a while trying to find the appropriate information on their site before I responded to your original query.

    I don't think you necessarily will lose the ability to sync via iCloud, but since I get the hives just thinking about saving my passwords "in the cloud" I don't know that for sure. As I said above, the Agile Bits folks could certainly do a better job of explaining this. There's better info in the threat Mr Heckles posted earlier.
     
  17. mkelly macrumors regular

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    I never said that they were forcing me, so please don't put words in my mouth. I offered a cross-platform alternative for those looking. I've been happy to pay for 1Password for years (including a subscription for the last year or so).

    Although one bit of info that you might be unaware of (and probably don't care about, but I'll provide it anyhow, in case it benefits others): One of the things I love(d) about 1Password is that it is cross-platform. While I'd rather use my Mac all day, I do on occasion need to run Windows and Linux and have access to my password database. However, in the last year 1Password has hobbled the 1Password 6 for Windows client so that it no longer supports password syncing by means other than a 1Password subscription (ie: can't use Dropbox or some other file sharing solution, unlike the Mac client).

    The Agile Bits devs have said they would address this in a future update, but for the time being their workaround is to revert to the 1Password 4 app on Windows, or use their subscription service.

    So if you're in the cross-platform boat, then 1Password, while not forcing you, is very strongly pushing you towards the subscription model (if you want the browser extensions to continue to work with modern browsers, that is).

    Do I think 1Password subscriptions are bad, evil, and not worth paying for? No.
    Do I feel like Agile Bits is holding me down and forcing their subscription model down my throat? No.
    Do I think that 1Password may no longer be the perfect solution for my needs? Possibly.
    Do I feel that others might be in the same boat and might find information about alternatives useful? Yes.
     
  18. Mr. Heckles, May 23, 2018
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    I’ve said many times I have 4 Mac, a few iOS devices, 2 Windows, 2 Androids, and 1 Linux. Each license would cost me a lot more than doing the subscription.

    I also use and like the subscription model a lot. I have been using it for about a year and a half... almost 2 years (customer for over 5 years). I think the price is great for a family of 5... $12 a year for each member and unlimited devices. I also like it because my mom has locked herself out a few times and I was able to retrieve her data. That’s a great tool. There are other selling points too that I have mentioned in other posts.

    The subscription is pushed because it’s a money maker. If I owned a company and one product made it better for my company to employee people and developer, I would too. You go to a bar or a restaurant, they also push food and drinks that are better for the bottom line to stay in business. All companies do this.

    1Password 7 for Windows support Dropbox. I think it’s in beta, but it is coming out. They said it’s many times too. When I get home, I’ll look for the link. I think it’s great they will have both versions to pick from.

    Edit: the 1Password 7 for Windows info:

    https://blog.agilebits.com/2018/03/20/introducing-1password-7-beta-for-windows/
     
  19. mkelly macrumors regular

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    Well then maybe you do care after all :) I don't follow you or your posts on here so forgive my unfamiliarity with your home setup.

    So then should everyone adopt 1Password? Is it the perfect solution for *every* single user and use case on the planet? That seems to be the case that you're making here. If 1Password works for your setup and environment, great - why take issue with people investigating alternatives?

    Also: Explaining that subscriptions are money-makers? Really? Is that not general knowledge? Could you be any more patronizing (don't answer that, it was rhetorical).

    In any case, I'm not going to waste any more time on your responses.
     
  20. Mr. Heckles macrumors 6502

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    I tell people to buy what is good for them. I think using the same passwords and easy passwords is a bad idea. If a friend asked for my advice, I tell them. If they pick another password manager (and they have), I help them out if they need it. If they are on all Apple, and they want to use iCloud Keychain, go for it.

    I am guessing it’s a money maker because it’s a continuation flow of profit
    If you make money, you cane develop more.

    It’s also far easier to use for an average user. My 70+ year old father in law can set it up in seconds. Using Dropbox, he had issues and didn’t understand why you needed another service to use 1Password.
     
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    Have been happily using the paid up front versions of 1Password for years. Have had a look at their website and can’t find anywhere how much the upgrade is if you don’t want the subscription model. Do you have to install it then pay from within the app?
     
  22. Mr. Heckles macrumors 6502

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    If you don’t want the subscription, you have to get it from AgileBits on line store. I think it’s on sale too

    https://1password.com/downloads/
     
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    Can’t see anything about cost on that link.
     
  24. AGKyle macrumors 6502a

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    $49.99 USD during our launch pricing promotion. No official end date on that, but I don't anticipate it lasting longer than a couple weeks, so I'd say if you want that price get it sooner, not later.

    After the launch pricing it'll go up to $64.99 USD.
     
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    How does that translate into £?
    I have tried to find any prices for international users, but no luck.
    Thanks!
     

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