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Did Apple abandoned 2D professional works?

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I was expecting a modular Mac Pro which can be used for all kinds of professional works but today, I realize that Mac Pro 2019 is NOT for 2D professionals such as photographers, designers, illustrators, and other 2D works. For photography perspective, Mac Pro 2019 is overpriced. RX580X is already enough. Even they advertise that Photoshop CC runs faster on Mac Pro 2019, that's a joke because clock speed is the only way to increase the performance and it doesnt need more than 8 cores.

But people may say...
"Why not Mac mini, iMac, or iMac Pro?"

Seriously? Those are All in one desktop.
Mac mini is very unreliable and not upgradable and risky due to its size. It always overheating and not user accessible.
iMac also has a poor cooling system and not upgradeable.
iMac Pro might be a great choice. But, there are a lot of people demand a Desktop, not All in one computer. Yes, I'm talking about Desktop instead of All in one. Simply, I cant rely on all in one computer. That's why Im still using Mac Pro 2010.

First, Mac Pro 2019 has a way better cooling system unlike other all in one computer. And if you want, you can just clean dust and replace thermal paste so easily.

Second, a modular desktop is much reliable. If I have any broken parts, I can just replace it by myself unlike all in one computer. All in one just can't. I have to carry them to Apple and there is no way to open it in person. Oh yeah, Mac mini is small. Linus tech tips already revealed the dirty secret about iMac Pro's repair service. Check his videos and you will def disappointed about Apple.

Third, some of them already have professional monitors. 5K is not necessary and both iMac and iMac Pro does not provide hardware calibration. Most 2D professional works require accurate color workflow with Eizo monitors. Btw Eizo monitors provide BUILT IN CALIBRATION TOOL. Idk how it works but a manager can manage all Eizo monitors within the system to calibrate monitors with the same setting together for their needs. Even 6K Pro display XDR doesnt have hardware calibration and built-in calibration tool.

There is no doubt that Mac Pro 2019 satisfied MOST professionals but not 2D. We just need a desktop, not all in one. You may check other forums such as Dprveiw about reactions toward Mac Pro 2019. Perhaps I should wait till next year or keep notifying about 2D professionals.
 
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As a photoshop user. I don’t want any archive files in my machine. Anything I am not working on I want in multiple external places for safe archive. Onsite and offsite. I’m not fully there yet but that is what I am working on now.

An all in one does not bother me.

My 6 core MacBook Pro barely hits 20% cpu utilisation in photoshop. It seems to mostly use my Vega 20. I do plan on getting an iMac eventually.

I have thrown myself in the deep end jumping straight into advertising/product photography work but I’m not yet at the point where I need the new Mac Pro for my workflow.
 
William Payne said:
As a photoshop user. I don’t want any archive files in my machine. Anything I am not working on I want in multiple external places for safe archive. Onsite and offsite. I’m not fully there yet but that is what I am working on now.

An all in one does not bother me.

My 6 core MacBook Pro barely hits 20% cpu utilisation in photoshop. It seems to mostly use my Vega 20. I do plan on getting an iMac eventually.

I have thrown myself in the deep end jumping straight into advertising/product photography work but I’m not yet at the point where I need the new Mac Pro for my workflow.
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For photography purposes, Mac Pro 2019 is too expansive. iMac 2019 seems fine but I dont like All in one computer.
 
Get a 15 inch 8-core MBP and all the external displays you like. Problem solved and you’ll have a great Starbucks machine to boot
 
AppleHaterLover said:
Get a 15 inch 8-core MBP and all the external displays you like. Problem solved and you’ll have a great Starbucks machine to boot
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You are out of topic.

MacBook Pro with 8 core cant replace a desktop. The laptop form factor is not even comparable with a desktop.

1. Cooling performance: Laptop is not even good at cooling. Check both iMac 2019 and MacBook Pro 2019. There is a difference in terms of CPU performance.

2. Hardware: There is no way to expand more than 64gb of RAM, add more SSD, and GPU.

3. Display: There are better options than MacBook Pro with a display.
 
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mavericks7913 said:
You are out of topic.

MacBook Pro with 8 core cant replace a desktop. The laptop form factor is not even comparable with a desktop.

1. Cooling performance: Laptop is not even good at cooling. Check both iMac 2019 and MacBook Pro 2019. There is a difference in terms of CPU performance.

2. Hardware: There is no way to expand more than 64gb of RAM, add more SSD, and GPU.

3. Display: There are better options than MacBook Pro with a display.
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According to you, the entire Mac line overheats and ranges from "poor" to "unreliable".

Honestly, the entire Apple engineering team should know better.

If you already came here with a decision and no discussion, then you are out of topic (any topic, actually)
 
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As posted in another thread, there has always been a market demand for a "normal" desktop somewhere between the MacMini and MacPro. Apple has been shoveling those people into iMac/iMac Pro, but making a "MacMini Pro" or something similar with Core i9 series processor and ability for 128GB+ RAM would satisfy a large portion of those users and leave very little room for complaints. That base are the ones who have gone hackintosh, at least initially. Certainly appears there is still an appetite for a machine in the $1750-2500 range that may not be as expandable as a MacPro5,1/7,1 was/is.
 
AppleHaterLover said:
According to you, the entire Mac line overheats and ranges from "poor" to "unreliable".

Honestly, the entire Apple engineering team should know better.

If you already came here with a decision and no discussion, then you are out of topic (any topic, actually)
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YES, all Mac line overheats and that's the fact. Apple engineering team is stupid you know. Look at how they designed the cooling system. Seriously, is there any desktop computer throttle at 100C? Are there any Mac with a proper CPU and GPU coolers? NO. You see, due to the poor cooling system, they are the one being stupid.

Also, Apple is WELL KNOWN for having cooling issue especially since they made mistakes such as G4 Cube, Mac Pro 2013, and Apple II. LOL You know nothing about how Apple treated the cooling system for a LONG TIME.
 
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William Payne said:
Depends on the clients. In my experience with various industry where big money purchases are common standard ROI is 2 years. The items have to be able to pay for themselves.
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Regardless of whether you can make ROI, a Mac Pro for most photography is going to be total overkill unless you're shooting some cutting edge work using large or medium format cameras.
 
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smirking said:
Regardless of whether you can make ROI, a Mac Pro for most photography is going to be total overkill unless you're shooting some cutting edge work using large or medium format cameras.
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You dont need a supercomputer for medium or large format digital cameras. I can open and edit them on Mac Pro 2010. Btw I have 150mp raw fileS.
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William Payne said:
Completely agree. The software just does not need that much horsepower unless you have a very specialised workflow.
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The point is there are a lot of people demanding a modular DESKTOP not ALL IN ONE. AIO is just unreliable and always overheats.
 
The Pro Display XDR is calibrated for P3-D50, P3-D65 and sRGB, as well as support for HDR. It's going to be amazing for photography, print and design where color reproduction is important.

On a personal level I am more excited for the display than the new Mac Pro.
 
mavericks7913 said:
For photography perspective, Mac Pro 2019 is overpriced.
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It is, and Apple chose to position the Mac Pro at high end professionals that require that much horse power. There's also the iMAc Pro and iMac for less. I understand you personally don't want a AIO and I can respect that, but if you want to stay in mac ecosystem then your choices are limited.

Btw, most of the photographers that I know prefer using laptops, and lightroom/photoshop work well with those. i use LR myself (I'm just a hobbyist) and that form factor works great. I also use my laptop on a desk hooked up to an external monitor its a great set up. YMMV and you may not like laptops, that's fine but for others its a viable alternative.
 
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The Pro Display XDR is calibrated for P3-D50, P3-D65 and sRGB, as well as support for HDR. It's going to be amazing for photography, print and design where color reproduction is important.

On a personal level I am more excited for the display than the new Mac Pro.
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Sorry but Pro Display XDR is overpriced for 2D for sure. Because it does NOT provide a hardware calibration. Eizo monitors have built-in calibration tool and I can change between each profile with a new calibration. Pro display does not have any options to control color temperature, profile, gamma, and more in a monitor itself like Eizo monitors.

Also, at $2500, I can use both AdobeRGB and DCI-P3 color space: Adobe RGB: 99%, DCI-P3: 98% while Pro display supports only 99% of DCI-P3.
 
mavericks7913 said:
Sorry but Pro Display XDR is overpriced for 2D for sure. Because it does NOT provide a hardware calibration. Eizo monitors have built-in calibration tool and I can change between each profile with a new calibration. Pro display does not have any options to control color temperature, profile, gamma, and more in a monitor itself like Eizo monitors.

Also, at $2500, I can use both AdobeRGB and DCI-P3 color space: Adobe RGB: 99%, DCI-P3: 98% while Pro display supports only 99% of DCI-P3.
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We will see once photographers and cinematographers get their hands on it.
 
maflynn said:
It is, and Apple chose to position the Mac Pro at high end professionals that require that much horse power. There's also the iMAc Pro and iMac for less. I understand you personally don't want a AIO and I can respect that, but if you want to stay in mac ecosystem then your choices are limited.

Btw, most of the photographers that I know prefer using laptops, and lightroom/photoshop work well with those. i use LR myself (I'm just a hobbyist) and that form factor works great. I also use my laptop on a desk hooked up to an external monitor its a great set up. YMMV and you may not like laptops, that's fine but for others its a viable alternative.
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Most photographers have both laptop and desktop due to two different types of computer. Yeah, perhaps I should buy MacBook Pro next year since my 2013 late is getting older and older.

But I use a desktop for both photo and fine art uses. Im still learning FCPX in order to work with high-end cameras in the future. For fine art, I need more than 64gb of RAM with the better cooling system due to the size of each PSD file which is between 20~60gb.
 
mavericks7913 said:
You dont need a supercomputer for medium or large format digital cameras. I can open and edit them on Mac Pro 2010. Btw I have 150mp raw fileS.
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Yeah of course you can, but I think you could actually justify getting a monster machine if you deal with a lot of 150MP files. It might still be excessive, but wouldn't be ridiculous. For more routine photography endeavors, it would be complete overkill.
 
I am doing 2D photography (medium format, several-100M-pixel panorama) + CPU-intense science calculation. I agree that the new MP7,1 is not for me. However, I do not think MP7,1 is overpriced for what it is. I just think it is too expansive for what it can do for me, since I cannot take advantage of the GPU/afterburner part yet. Feel a little bit sad about this, and also a little bit fortunate that I didn't wait and instead pulled the trigger to get an iMP last year to replace my MP5,1.

That said, I am still very happy that Apple has created something that's much more powerful than the iMP. They should have done that a few years ago. Now they put themselves together and aim very high. Too high for me, but I feel happy when I see this happening.

For the next few years, I will stick with my iMP, and see if MP8,1 will be something I can take advantage of.
 
It’s 2019, you don’t need a supercomputer for PS anymore.

A Mac mini (properly spec’d) would suit your needs perfectly, but you don’t want it because even though plenty of professionals are using it without problems, you’ve internalized a misunderstanding of heat management (likely from users here at MR) that will NEVER be a problem for your specific use case.

No one can help you here if your decisions aren’t based on reality.
 
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I agree expandiblity is a 'pro' need instead of grunt for lots of users who don't need multiple 8K video editing but they do have huge image libraries or files and/or multiple 4K displays/wacoms and suchlike.

I was hoping for a headless Mac with user-upgradeable internal storage and graphics but this new Mac Pro is utter overkill, most especially in terms of price. In Australia, I expect just the base model to retail for close to AUD $10,000. Which is four words: out of the question.

If it turns out Catalina does kill the Mac Pro 5,1 what are the options now beyond staying with Mojave on a cMP indefinitely: a Mac Mini + messy external storage and graphics solution, or a Linux/Windows tower?
 
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If it turns out Catalina does kill the Mac Pro 5,1 what are the options now beyond staying with Mojave on a cMP indefinitely: a Mac Mini + messy external storage and graphics solution, or a Linux/Windows tower?
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Truly believe the MP5,1 is not "certified" for 10.15 because of Intel's lack of microcode updates for the CPUs. Apple has an easy scapegoat with that answer as well. This will impact all OS versions with all manufacturers for this class of CPU.

MacMini is ample for many, but the lack of an i9 CPU version and 64GB RAM cap config makes it difficult for many as a viable option. Then they look at MBP15" models as an alternate, then they realize about thermal issues/throttling, then they go back to MacMini, then they look at iMac/Pro... it's an endless circle. A MacMiniPro or a slightly larger form factor with i9 CPU, 4-6 RAM slots, 2-3 PCIe, and 1-2 NVMe SSD slots would satisfy everyone who the MP7,1 is not for. It's an untapped market and been that way for years. These are the ones that go hackintosh. If Apple sold a machine like that for $1750-2500 base, it would sell very well. It would also impact iMac/Pro sales...
 
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Apple has also abandoned the 3d folks.

If they are driving GPU rendering workflows - no Nvidia, no sale.

Those of us on Macs (CPU & system ram driven) - 8 cores for $6,000 isn't cutting it when I can get either a TR based system with 32 cores and 128 Gb of ram

or

a 24 core Eypc based system with 128 Gb of ram.

Oh well, it was a fun 18 years, but it looks like I am getting an AMD system for Xmas.
 
NT1440 said:
It’s 2019, you don’t need a supercomputer for PS anymore.

A Mac mini (properly spec’d) would suit your needs perfectly, but you don’t want it because even though plenty of professionals are using it without problems, you’ve internalized a misunderstanding of heat management (likely from users here at MR) that will NEVER be a problem for your specific use case.

No one can help you here if your decisions aren’t based on reality.
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lol I guess you never worked with 60gb of PSB dont you?
 
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