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Starfyre

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Looking at Macrumors... this statement disturbed me:

Federighi went on to say that as much as Apple loves Touch ID, Face ID is "that much better." He confirmed that Apple believes Face ID is the future of biometric authentication, with the caveat that there are settings where different biometric techniques or combinations of biometrics could make sense.

Different biometrics... like TouchID?

"If you're a surgeon or someone who wears a garment that covers your face, it's not going to work," says Federighi. "But if you're wearing a helmet or scarf it works quite well."

Sounds like Touch ID would be great for anyone who wears a mask...

I am bothered that his acknowledgement of combinations of biometrics... would probably include an in-display Touch ID which is unfortunately not out of the question...

Start listening at 8 minutes if you haven't heard:
https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2017/09/15/ep-200
 
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Dexterama

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I'm all for combinations of biometrics. There are situations where having only simultaneous authentication may not be practical. We might need to rotate between different biometrics/combinations depending on the situation.

Like to wear gloves in the winter? No problem, use FaceID.

Have dirty fingers? No problem, use FaceID.

Wearing a mask/costume for Halloween? No problem, use TouchID.

Do you wear a paper bag over your head daily? No problem, use TouchID.
 

Apple_Robert

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I think you are reading words into Craig's statement that aren't there. The only way that your title even gets close to what Craig said, is if you bend the meaning of what he said into a pretzel and then convince yourself that the pretzel is really an elephant.
 
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bambooshots

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How many Touch ID threads can you start?

Hey I was wondering the same thing!

But, I'm glad that she started this particular thread. The part with the surgeon caught my attention.

I work in healthcare and have to don PPE very often. What Craig said about the surgical mask was pertinent.

But wait, there's more. Is this a defense for TouchID? No. It's not. If you're wearing a surgical mask you're likely wearing gloves as well. I can tell you 100%, that's a no-go for TouchID.

I guess we'll have to revert to PINs and pass codes. But according to some that's "going backwards towards the Stone Age."

You just can't please some people.
 

Starfyre

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How many Touch ID threads can you start?
Probably at least as many as all the Face ID threads :)

But wait, there's more. Is this a defense for TouchID? No. It's not. If you're wearing a surgical mask you're likely wearing gloves as well. I can tell you 100%, that's a no-go for TouchID.

Having dealt with the mask issue all time time, have you thought much about how you would prefer to authenticate besides the stone age passcodes? If your wearing gloves, fingers are out of the question. Iris scanning sounds interesting, though if you can use your Iris for biometric scans, doesn't that defeat the purpose of FaceID? Especially since your eyes have to be open for Face ID anyways? Voice recognition is not something that is being used for authentication today.

If anything, I feel like Craig at least has to be hinting something when he says combination.

Today, the only possible "combination" that does not exist simultaneously is TouchID and FaceID for authentication. Voice is there, but you don't "authenticate" with that. There has to be something else besides only one method. To me, that is only:

1) Combining TouchID with FaceID
2) Creating something new... Iris Scanning? (I don't think about voice recognition, phone listening in on everything you say at all times seems creepy.)
 
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