Did Steve Jobs work on iOS 7 ?

[Dented]

I think the next person who tries to summon the spirit of Jobs and solemnly impart what he would have said or done about whatever needs to be taken out, shot, and have their head put on a spike as a warning to others.

I mean for pity's sake. He's dead. You didn't know the man. You don't know what he really thought about anything. Even if he'd had an opinion on IOS 7 in 2011, nobody can possibly know what that might have evolved into by 2013. One thing we can know is that he was fully capable of changing his mind and often did. Yes he had road maps and big ideas but he also had cancer and died two years ago.

Just. Let. It. Go.

 

[Mrbobb]

Is this thread an attempt to scapegoat whatever shortcomings of IOS7 on the dead guy?

 

[jtfolden]

This.

The flat design with ugly icons, he would have thought it tasteless. iOS7 is nothing he would have approved of.

http://www.cultofmac.com/189707/ste...nd-game-centers-hideous-skeuomorphic-designs/

Are you serious?

 

[dannyyankou]

Are you serious?

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The bottom picture was a beta. But the top picture is downright hideous.

 

[jtfolden]

The bottom picture was a beta. But the top picture is downright hideous.

It doesn't matter that it was a beta, that is the version that Steve Jobs felt was good enough to present to the world as the new face of Mac OS. So good you'd want to lick the screen, as I recall. lol

...and really, OS X 10.0 looks pretty gaudy at this point. It hasn't aged well.

 

[midwestfisherma]

Did Steve Jobs work on iOS 7 ?

Is that a serious question? What are you, 12?

 

[2IS]

Steve would have never allowed a "photos" icon to look like a painters palette

 

[Dented]

Steve would never have allowed this thread. Seriously, what is wrong with you people.

 

[HussamRaed]

But the real question is: Would Forstall approve of it?

 

[hafr]

People do seem to forget how colorful things were right after Steve came back.

You're absolutely right. Just look at the toilet seat iBook. Anyone who gave a thumbs up to that design would probably not have any problems what so ever with the iOS 7 icons.

The iMac was colourful, but still had a really decent design. The iBook on the other hand...

 

[adildacoolset]

This.

The flat design with ugly icons, he would have thought it tasteless. iOS7 is nothing he would have approved of.

http://www.cultofmac.com/189707/ste...nd-game-centers-hideous-skeuomorphic-designs/

I bet he would also describe trying to appease a dead guy as stupidity.

 

[cmichaelb]

You're absolutely right. Just look at the toilet seat iBook. Anyone who gave a thumbs up to that design would probably not have any problems what so ever with the iOS 7 icons.

The iMac was colourful, but still had a really decent design. The iBook on the other hand...

Lol. I never noticed the toilet seat comparison until I hard John Dvorak mention it on TWIT or No Agenda. Now that's all I think when I see one.

 

[kunai]

This.

The flat design with ugly icons, he would have thought it tasteless. iOS7 is nothing he would have approved of.

http://www.cultofmac.com/189707/ste...nd-game-centers-hideous-skeuomorphic-designs/

This is why we need Forstall back.

A lot of people forget that when people hated his designs, he changed them. Remember the brushed metal fiasco?

Exactly. Leopard had a clean metal theme for ALL windows. With Forstall back, I have no doubt that he would restore lost visual cues into iOS but stay away from the rampant skeuomorphism.

But we won't get him back. I bet those of you who erupted in thunderous applause on his departure must be really hitting yourselves over the head.

Good. Continue to do so, because you've just contributed to the first in a series of Apple missteps.

 

[Aucun Express]

From what I recall in the biography from Walter Isaacson, one of the last times he saw Scott Forstall was were he showed him an iPhone prototype with Siri.
So, it means it was during the engineering of the iPhone 4S. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that Steve Jobs had nothing to do with the design of iOS 7.
If you also remember, Forstall was fired in October 2012. From the first beta of iOS 7, you could clearly get that the development was rushed. So, that would be a second clue that Steve Jobs was not involved as well.

 

[scaredpoet]

I doubt it very much.

I bet Steve would describe it as tasteless junk.

Maybe, but he's dead. And Apple (and Tim, and Jony) are doing exactly what Steve told them to do.

This is why we need Forstall back.

A lot of people forget that when people hated his designs, he changed them. Remember the brushed metal fiasco?

Yes, I remember it well. And that's why we don't need Forstall back. He represents the opposite extreme, which to me is even worse. I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs kept Forstall's extreme penchat for skeuomorphism in check, hence the corrections. With Jobs gone, we saw what happened: Maps, and no apologies. No thanks. I'll take any visual teething problems with iOS7 over the hot mess that was the Podcasts app, any day. If we kept THAT, I'm pretty sure iOS7 would've had an interface that looked a lot like Steve's initial iPhone joke, the iPod with the manual dial.

 

[C DM]

Is that a serious question? What are you, 12?

What a totally classy and mature non-reply. :thumbsup:

 

[kunai]

It doesn't matter that it was a beta, that is the version that Steve Jobs felt was good enough to present to the world as the new face of Mac OS. So good you'd want to lick the screen, as I recall. lol

...and really, OS X 10.0 looks pretty gaudy at this point. It hasn't aged well.

Well, of course 10.0 didn't age well. It was gaudy as hell. However, screenshots from Tiger and Leopard look like they could be part of a modern desktop environment.

 

[TwoBytes]

I don't believe ios 7 was "worked" on at all. It looks like and unfinished kids colouring in book. Half bright and half empty white space. If they did work on it they started the night before it looks like....

 

[Tamagotchi]

In that recent Business Week interview with Ive and Hair Force One, Jonny mentioned that they started brainstorming on iOS7 last November...

Prove of how pathetic this iOS update is. IOS 7 borrows so many things that Jobs had foregone back in 2004 when he had 2 teams clashed together to produce the best iPhone OS. Jobs rejected Ive's design for a reason....

Edit: Before fanboys bash me. Check the early iPhone prototypes from 2004-2005.

 

[Zellio]

Ah, another of our members who communicates with the dead...and passes along the thoughts of the deceased.

Given the time frame of iOS 7 relative to the time of Job's death...it does seem unlikely he worked on it prior to his death.

That is, unless those who seem to be able to communicate with him passed along his thoughts.

Considering he liked the realistic look and highly preferred it... It's a very logical assumption to make.

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Are you serious?

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but those icons are realistic. The desktop may be flat, but icons and designs are of a realistic approach.

 

[Knockworstface]

Myself and girlfriend both hate the look of iOS 7. I miss the old look.

 

[Dented]

Did Steve Jobs work on iOS 7 ?

Considering he liked the realistic look and highly preferred it... It's a very logical assumption to make.

No, it's a crass, meaningless, simplistic and in many ways quite disrespectful assumption to make. "Logical" is not a word anyone should be using about an attempt to divine the thoughts of a dead man, who none of us knew, about an operating system released two years after his death.

 

[kunai]

Yes, I remember it well. And that's why we don't need Forstall back. He represents the opposite extreme, which to me is even worse. I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs kept Forstall's extreme penchat for skeuomorphism in check, hence the corrections. With Jobs gone, we saw what happened: Maps, and no apologies. No thanks. I'll take any visual teething problems with iOS7 over the hot mess that was the Podcasts app, any day. If we kept THAT, I'm pretty sure iOS7 would've had an interface that looked a lot like Steve's initial iPhone joke, the iPod with the manual dial.

I don't know if you're joking or if you're looking back at Steve's tenure with rose-tinted glasses. He was a huge proponent of skeuomorphism, to the point where he, Jobs instituted the changes to iCal and Contacts in OS X Lion. I think people here completely forget that Forstall wasn't solely responsible for the skeuomorphism, and he would have realized his mistake and ****ing changed it. If not with iOS 7, with 8. He would have done it. Cook would have made him.

The blame's on him, though, because he screwed up with Maps and refused to apologize. I can only hope he realizes his mistake and comes back, but I don't see that happening. MR members represent a minority of Apple marketshare, and most non-savvy consumers seem to buy whatever Apple makes, even if it's a pile of garbage.

 

[Zellio]

No, it's a crass, meaningless, simplistic and in many ways quite disrespectful assumption to make. "Logical" is not a word anyone should be using about an attempt to divine the thoughts of a dead man, who none of us knew, about an operating system released two years after his death.

What part of 'STEVE JOBS PREFERRED A REALISTIC LOOK' do you not understand? Alright, if you say this, then Leonardo Da Vinci never liked to draw. It's about as logical as saying that.

You can draw logical conclusions from what a person chose in their life.

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Here are a couple pics of iphone prototypes:

Notice the flat icons? And mostly basic artwork?

Now here is the first iphone with ios 1:

Notice the skeuomorphic icons, and the shadows to give depth?

You can live in your own little fantasy all you want, but Steve jobs rejected early iphone prototypes with flat cartoony icons for depth and realism.

 

[goobot]

No, they would have just started with ios 6 when he passed.