Did You Know How your iPhone Was Made?

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  1. eljanitor macrumors 6502

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  2. Abyssgh0st macrumors 68000

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    Yawn. Tell us something new. We all know that working conditions in China are not up to par with first world standards. Blame their government for allowing it. Not to mention with how dense their population is, any job is probably very heavily relied upon and therefore has to be done to maintain a proper life.

    However, this isn't slave labor. No one is forcing these people to stay at this specific job.
     
  3. mrsir2009 macrumors 604

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    Haven't you heard about sweat-shops before? And why are you picking on Apple, there a tons of sweat-shops in China that make a huge range of different products for different western countries.
     
  4. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Did You Know How your iPhone Was Made?

    Vey carefully, I'd imagine.
     
  5. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Or blame companies for taking advantage of it. Or blame consumers for seemingly caring about price above all else.


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  6. mrsir2009 macrumors 604

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    What do you suggest consumers, Apple and Foxconn do?
     
  7. vvswarup macrumors 6502a

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    Did you know how all your other electronics were made?

    Apple is not the first company to outsource labor. Also, Foxconn is a manufacturing partner to dozens of companies besides Apple. Amazon comes to mind. Then tell me why Apple is the only company that's called out over this?

    The reason is simple. Talking about Apple gets attention. Talking about Amazon doesn't get anyone's attention.
     
  8. KingCrimson macrumors 65816

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    Disgraceful. Apple has the means to pay the workers more but refuses to do so. Profits are king. How much money does one company needs anyways. Apple doesn't hardly spend on real research.
     
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    Forward your complaint to China. Or the US government. Apple can't do anything about it. Nor can MS, Dell, HP, etc.
    Hence, their reason for being there. Apple might have the means to pay them more, but that doesn't mean they should, or that it is healthy for the company, or that shareholders will be pleased (they won't.)
    There is no other reason to be in business.

    What a question, LOL.

    The answer is: an unlimited amount. When's the last time anyone heard this at a board meeting: "We're making too much money, folks. We don't need any more. Let's put the brakes on profits."

    Of course they don't. Hence the imaginary iPod, imaginary iPhone, imaginary iPad, imaginary Macs, all the imaginary software that runs on them, imaginary Cloud services, etc.

    If Apple is hardly spending on research, then I wonder wtf everyone else is doing, because all the game-changers seem to be coming out of Apple. Where's all Acer's money going? New ways to copy Apple? Where is RIM's money going? How *not* to copy Apple and rehash the same dated products in order to run the company into the ground? What's happening with HP's "research" money? Is it used for ways to destroy their reputation with bad copies of existing products, and then selling them at a massive loss?

    Nah, Apple doesn't spend money on "real" research. They simply pray products into existence or do a rain dance.
     
  10. AppleScruff1 macrumors G3

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    There are some good reads here. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/10/magazine_jobsebook/

    It is an ebook from Wired magazine about Steve and Apple. The behind the scenes info on the first iPhone is quite interesting. Few people probably know that Apple got about $10 per month from AT&T for each iPhone customer for the duration of their contract. It tells of the secret meetings, Jobs feuding with the engineers, etc. A very interesting read. There are also other stories too.
     
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    Darn. And all this time, I thought all of Apple's products were made by Oompa Loompas in some magical factory somewhere.
     
  12. mrsir2009 macrumors 604

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    I know. People don't believe that Apple's products are made in sweat-shops in China just like any other company. And when they do find out they are outraged, because its 'Apple'. Almost every manufacturer does it, because its the only way to provide products at a reasonable price. People that say that Apple should be using its billions in the bank to help underpaid workers don't know how a company is run. The CEO can't just feel sympathy for the FoxConn workers and give them tons of money, he's got shareholders to answer to. They live on Apple's profits, so all they want is for Apple to make as much profit as possible.
     
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    Apple is not the alone in having manufacturing done in China; They're just a high enough profile that people figure if they single them out they'll get more publicity.

    tbh if you don't buy an Apple computer because you draw a line at how it's made, good luck trying to find anything to buy in this world.
     
  14. Fuzzy14 macrumors 65816

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    OK, let's get Apple to build a factory in the USA or Western Europe. The workers can work 35 hour weeks on a good pay, get holidays, sick pay, health insurance, pensions.

    How many people would be willing to pay $1000+ for an iPhone? Funny how people's moral objections disappear when it starts to hit them in the wallet.
     
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    If the iPhone and all of its component parts were manufactured in the US or Europe it would be $3000+. It's already nearly $1000 unsubsidized.

    ...and of course someone else would be manufacturing in a cheap labor market and be selling an $800 phone, so no one would purchase anyway.

    Those complaining about "sweat shops" don't actually know what they are talking about. Manufacturing plants in China are modern, safe, and working conditions are excellent. I spend half a year there every year in the electronics industry and have been inside dozens of factories including Foxcon.

    It's a true world economy and in order to compete companies like Apple need to be in effective manufacturing environments.

    Just so you know, Apple is actually quite hard on their suppliers, often demanding much higher workplace standards than the company provides.
     
  16. macinnv macrumors regular

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    I find it interesting how quick people are to defending Apple. If this was any other company you would all be screaming bloody murder. But I agree with others we all share part of the blame - Apple, other tech companies, governments, consumers..
     
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    No, we (or I) wouldn't. Because realistic thinking dictates that there are far more considerations to be made than just idealistic/moral ones. This goes for everyone that plays the foreign labour game: Apple, MS, HP, Dell, and many others.
    Absolutely. It's incredibly complicated, and the problem extends well beyond the idea of "cheap foreign labour" and into the realm of North American lifestyle expectations, the power of Unions, and an economic shift away from manufacturing in North America.

    Putting a moral label on the issue and crying foul is sheer folly and incredibly juvenile.
     
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    Wrong. The profit margin on the iPhone is huge, Apple could build their products in the US / EU without changing the price and still making profit.

    I don't blame Apple though, I blame the Chinese government. It's the government's job to enforce good working conditions.
     
  19. jzuena macrumors 6502a

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    Apple doesn't have the means to pay these workers ANYTHING, since they are not Apple employees. Foxconn, on the other hand, certainly could pay them more if they wished.
     
  20. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Realistically speaking it would be up to the Chinese government to step in because obviously the 'free market will regulate itself' theory is flawed. But China won't do that because their huge growth is pretty much tied to cheap labor. Even if China did do it these companies would just pull up stakes and move to another country that was less regulated. US labor and environmental laws helped make the US a better, cleaner country but many companies just moved manufacturing overseas or to Mexico. If China tried to clean up its act the same thing would happen to them.

    It's a screw-your-neighbor shell game that will eventually collapse in on itself because the world is finite.

    Businesses need profits in order to operate but there are millions of other reasons to be in business besides profit. I really doubt profit was the only reason Steve and Woz started Apple.


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    No matter how much you do what you love, when you do it as a business, if you're not turning a profit you're going to have serious cash flow problems. If someone just does what they love without an eye to profits, then they can simply do it as a hobby or some form of freelance work where they get paid whatever and whenever.

    Steve and Woz probably didn't start out just to make money, but to realize a vision . . . but via selling something to consumers. The only way to sustain that, however, is to make more money than you spend.

    This is the difference between doing what you love as a hobby or as a form of personal expression that is not for sale or for casual sale, and a business with the intent to turn a profit (which is what defines a business in the first place.)

    Steve and Woz could have done what they loved as a hobby or freelance activity on their own time or for others. But when they decided to build a business around it, they transitioned to a situation where the only way to sustain that business over the long term would be to turn a profit. Otherwise, there is no reason to build a business around it. They could claim all they want that the most important thing is their vision, but if they care about remaining in a position to give something to others consistently for money and ensure their vision has maximum impact directly on the consumer according to their explicit wishes, then profit is the only way they could keep doing that.

    Otherwise, they could have simply given their inventions away to others or made whatever money that came their way, or worked for others a designers and engineers.

    At some point, you can claim your primary goal is *not* to make money, but that's usually when you're secure in the fact that your focus on creativity and love for your work will pull in money and help you turn a profit anyway.

    Business are profit driven, but the successful people who run them need not necessarily be profit driven. I think this is what you meant. Since the thing that creates profit is a great product. And that requires energy, creativity, vision, etc.
     
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    Where I live it costs $900 for the base model and $1300 for the best model -_-

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    They could, but there is no chance in hell that they would.
     
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    Got some numbers and a source to back this up, or are you just blowing smoke?
     
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    That's an assumption, based simply on the product around which this forum centers. :)
     

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