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I think that pamphlet was misleading, because the way I understood it, it was usually something more like:
This is what I had thought. What's even weirder is that NYU doesn't defer you to standard/normal decision. I know someone who applied to Stanford for early decision, didn't get it, but still got in via normal decision. NYU's policy seems unorthodox.
this seems really strange early action is intended to help you get into the school you want if you know you want that school and thusly is easier to get accepted that is the point of earl decision / early action. i dotn know how your friend didnt get in early decision but did regular decision unless after completing the class they saw that they had less qualified applicants than the norm and therefore slid the scale down enough to get your friend in.
Well the way I understand it, early decision is meant to establish who is in "for sure." If you have a stellar GPA and SAT scores, then you might use early decision to see if the one school you care about will let you know ahead of time.
The person I know had good grades and SAT scores, but nowhere near the "for sure" category. Thus, her app was bundled with the rest and then reassessed at a later time. I thought that was how all schools did it.
Spend some time at Nassau Community and get your grades up.
The reality is... unless your going to Harvard, Yale, etc. it doesn't do much for you other than eat up your bank account. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a great school and even better if you live on campus. Hell, I didn't even go there and I pretty much lived on campus there! LOL
Columbia has a pretty decent IT program, Brooklyn Polytech has some great masters level IT stuff for the future if you decide not to be technical. If you want hard core IT, look at places like Carnegie Mellon, some of the California schools (Who doesn't like San Diego?)
You really have a lot of choice locally, Queens College, NYIT, St. Johns...
Get the grades up and re-apply...
The reality is... unless your going to Harvard, Yale, etc. it doesn't do much for you other than eat up your bank account. Don't get me wrong, NYU is a great school and even better if you live on campus. Hell, I didn't even go there and I pretty much lived on campus there! LOL
Columbia has a pretty decent IT program, Brooklyn Polytech has some great masters level IT stuff for the future if you decide not to be technical. If you want hard core IT, look at places like Carnegie Mellon, some of the California schools (Who doesn't like San Diego?)
You really have a lot of choice locally, Queens College, NYIT, St. Johns...
Get the grades up and re-apply...
I actually got into NYIT and St. Johns. Polytech has me on their waiting list for an interview and I'm too cheap to spend 65 bucks on a college application so I haven't applied to CUNYs yet.
I'm sorry, but what kind of waste has this thread become? (Actually, a better question to ask is: what kind of waste has this thread apparently been from the beginning?)
Folks, we're talking to an OP who (sorry, no offense, dude but...) lacks the age and the life experience to be sufficiently mature about this kind of thing.
To the O.P.:
In my experience having been in the working world since high school (and now well into my 17th year working) I can tell you that, excepting those kinds of jobs which have legal or certificate-based requirements, maturity and work experience count for a helluva lot more than a college degree. It's taken many years and a LOT of pounding on the heads of business managers and owners, but the lesson learned is that you cannot just "hire anyone" and have a successful staff, and therefore a successful business.
I've thought on and off about going back to school (for me, that would include "starting" college) and the thing which has basically kept me from doing so is the perceived significant lack of reward for the time, the money, and the trouble of doing so. There's really nothing I can think of that I'd want to do where having a college degree would actually help all that much.
If anything, what experience has taught me is that I'd almost rather not deal with "college-educated" people due to their tendency towards a complete and total lack of common sense. Now, I'm not saying this will describe a future you, but the trend as I've encountered it has pretty much been thus, at least in a majority of instances.
And frankly, based on your follow-up comments about why you want to "get into NYU and no other", it sounds like they're not even the right reasons to go to college in the first place.
Folks, we're talking to an OP who (sorry, no offense, dude but...) lacks the age and the life experience to be sufficiently mature about this kind of thing.
To the O.P.:
In my experience having been in the working world since high school (and now well into my 17th year working) I can tell you that, excepting those kinds of jobs which have legal or certificate-based requirements, maturity and work experience count for a helluva lot more than a college degree. It's taken many years and a LOT of pounding on the heads of business managers and owners, but the lesson learned is that you cannot just "hire anyone" and have a successful staff, and therefore a successful business.
I've thought on and off about going back to school (for me, that would include "starting" college) and the thing which has basically kept me from doing so is the perceived significant lack of reward for the time, the money, and the trouble of doing so. There's really nothing I can think of that I'd want to do where having a college degree would actually help all that much.
If anything, what experience has taught me is that I'd almost rather not deal with "college-educated" people due to their tendency towards a complete and total lack of common sense. Now, I'm not saying this will describe a future you, but the trend as I've encountered it has pretty much been thus, at least in a majority of instances.
And frankly, based on your follow-up comments about why you want to "get into NYU and no other", it sounds like they're not even the right reasons to go to college in the first place.
i'm not referring to the education, im referring to the experience. and i'd note that the OP says he wants to go somewhere specifically because its a) familiar, b) where his current friends are, c) in the city he lives in now and d) at a place where he currently works. i do not know the OP and im not a psychologist, but that does not sound like someone ready to move on from high school, it sounds like someone who wants to stay basically where he is now.
When I went to university (for Computer Systems Engineering) I chose a university in my hometown. They did have a fairly reputable engineering program, and it was my dad's alma mater, so I had a few contacts. But what it came down to, honestly, was mostly the reasons shecky noted. I stayed at home, lived with my parents, and kept all my familiar surroundings. (And not having to pay for residence/meals saved me a ton of money.)
I don't regret the path that I've taken, but sometimes I wish I had left home a little earlier and learned to be independent a lot sooner. I think I could have had some real growth experiences, though then again with all the crap going on in dorm living I might also come out worse for it. Who knows, right? But generally speaking I think independence and new experiences are good things
Well first off, I have no desire to blow money on something I don't have to do. A diploma has become a society standard and without one I have nothing to fall back. Do I really need a reason for going to college or a certain college?
All that matters to me is that I have a school in mind that I would be very enthusiastic about going to. I could care less that there are 20 million other schools out there that are better, but unless feel the same or better about those schools, I'm not going to go there just because.
I could compare it to my first year of high school. I was stuck with my last choice which I really didn't want to go to and that reflected in my freshman year grades. Every day I went to school saying "I don't want to be here."
So sure I could go to another college, just because its way better and screw up my first year grades and get kicked out and waste a couple thousand bucks and not get a diploma. Or I could go to a college that I'd like to go to and do well.
Anyways, I just started this thread to find out how to prepare an appeal.
All that matters to me is that I have a school in mind that I would be very enthusiastic about going to. I could care less that there are 20 million other schools out there that are better, but unless feel the same or better about those schools, I'm not going to go there just because.
I could compare it to my first year of high school. I was stuck with my last choice which I really didn't want to go to and that reflected in my freshman year grades. Every day I went to school saying "I don't want to be here."
So sure I could go to another college, just because its way better and screw up my first year grades and get kicked out and waste a couple thousand bucks and not get a diploma. Or I could go to a college that I'd like to go to and do well.
Anyways, I just started this thread to find out how to prepare an appeal.
Where you go should not dictate how well you do.
Attitude counts for a lot. Your situation is what you make it.
Stop being negative and feeling sorry for yourself. At some point in your life, you experience rejection and you grow as a result.
Don't miss out on a chance to go to any other great school just because NYU rejected you. You will regret it.
Very well said.
Hummer, did you even give other school's a chance, or was your heart so focused on NYC that you passed over every other school?
You need to accept the fact that it wasn't meant to be, and find a school that you can be happy with (in other words, stop comparing every school to NYC, and focus on the positive aspects of each school).
I agree with most of the recent posters.
College is what you make it. I understand wanting to go to a specific school, but even so far, you had to change to a different programs of study (although a computer science degree is probably better to get then a IT degree... more versatile it would seem) just to go to that particular school.
You say you have friends that go there or will go there. Honestly, once you go to college there is a darn good chance a majority of your group of friends will change, OR if they are still your friends, you may still only see them on breaks anyway because of your different time commitments and living quarters. I went to the University of Illinois (a GREAT comp sci and engineering school btw ... 5th or 6th i believe) and almost 50 people i knew ended up going there too.
I talk to about 3 people still, and of those, I never really see them at school. I got new friends, met new people, and had new experiences. Not that those original friends were any less important, but we sorta grew apart.. I see them at breaks at home, when we are away from our new college commitments. You will make new friends and find new things to like.... and chances are make friends that share more interests and similar drives in life as you will be surrounded by SO many more people and ideas and challenges, so that really shouldn't be very high in your priorities when trying to figure out where you want to spend the next 4+ years of your life.
You'll learn a new area pretty quickly too btw. You may find it nice to have to explore a bit more, and make friends just by getting lost or turned around and experiencing new things together. If you stay in the NY area with your other schools you are plenty close to go home a decent amount as well if you ever feel homesick or want some normalcy. That's always a nice option.
Anyway... If I were you, i'd really take some more time out and tour the colleges (again ... assuming you already have, if you haven't, then you really gotta get on that) and talk to your prospective professors and maybe even some students and see what it's like. Sit in on a class if you can. You may find one of the many other schools you got accepted to is a much better fit for you.
Other then that, I think you need to try to turn your attitude around. If you go into something, like going to college, thinking you are going to hate it and not want to be there, and keep thinking about "if only i got in at NYU" you ARE going to have a bad time. Period. Try to be optimistic and see that there is plenty going on out there, and plenty of good things.
Stop being so negative about something that hasn't already happened. Life is not going to treat you well, nor will you be happy, if you go through life so jaded and negative. God, you are a highschool senior, you should be plucky and happy and enjoying life pretty well right now.
B E POSITIVE!
and BTW... NYU is not a name that will help you get a job in the computer science/ tech field. So i'd throw that reasoning out the window.
It's pretty much like any other state/city school in that field anyway. UIUC would be better, Purdue of Indiana would also be superior in the name department... but really in CS, that doesn't help much at all anyway outside of carnegie melon or the MIT - like ones
College is what you make it. I understand wanting to go to a specific school, but even so far, you had to change to a different programs of study (although a computer science degree is probably better to get then a IT degree... more versatile it would seem) just to go to that particular school.
You say you have friends that go there or will go there. Honestly, once you go to college there is a darn good chance a majority of your group of friends will change, OR if they are still your friends, you may still only see them on breaks anyway because of your different time commitments and living quarters. I went to the University of Illinois (a GREAT comp sci and engineering school btw ... 5th or 6th i believe) and almost 50 people i knew ended up going there too.
I talk to about 3 people still, and of those, I never really see them at school. I got new friends, met new people, and had new experiences. Not that those original friends were any less important, but we sorta grew apart.. I see them at breaks at home, when we are away from our new college commitments. You will make new friends and find new things to like.... and chances are make friends that share more interests and similar drives in life as you will be surrounded by SO many more people and ideas and challenges, so that really shouldn't be very high in your priorities when trying to figure out where you want to spend the next 4+ years of your life.
You'll learn a new area pretty quickly too btw. You may find it nice to have to explore a bit more, and make friends just by getting lost or turned around and experiencing new things together. If you stay in the NY area with your other schools you are plenty close to go home a decent amount as well if you ever feel homesick or want some normalcy. That's always a nice option.
Anyway... If I were you, i'd really take some more time out and tour the colleges (again ... assuming you already have, if you haven't, then you really gotta get on that) and talk to your prospective professors and maybe even some students and see what it's like. Sit in on a class if you can. You may find one of the many other schools you got accepted to is a much better fit for you.
Other then that, I think you need to try to turn your attitude around. If you go into something, like going to college, thinking you are going to hate it and not want to be there, and keep thinking about "if only i got in at NYU" you ARE going to have a bad time. Period. Try to be optimistic and see that there is plenty going on out there, and plenty of good things.
Stop being so negative about something that hasn't already happened. Life is not going to treat you well, nor will you be happy, if you go through life so jaded and negative. God, you are a highschool senior, you should be plucky and happy and enjoying life pretty well right now.
B E POSITIVE!
and BTW... NYU is not a name that will help you get a job in the computer science/ tech field. So i'd throw that reasoning out the window.
It's pretty much like any other state/city school in that field anyway. UIUC would be better, Purdue of Indiana would also be superior in the name department... but really in CS, that doesn't help much at all anyway outside of carnegie melon or the MIT - like ones
Well you seem dead set on getting in. First off you HS grades and SAT/ACT scores do not seem high enough so you will never get on on those numbers. Go to another school for a year or 2. Get I think 15 hours under you belt then apply as a transfer student. It is a lot easier to get in a transfer than as some one out of High school.
Colleges do not want people who are not going to make it. They get money based on gradutations.
I had a average HS GPA and low SAT scores. I went to a Jr. College for 2 years and transfered in and got a top transfer scolar ship. I had a GPA of 3.33 at the time.
You are screwing yourself over if you refuse to go to another school. Waiting a year will only make it harder. Go to one of your back up for at least a year with an open mind. If you need motivation for doing well then that is easy. You need to do well so you can get in to NYU. We all be trying to pound it into you that the college really does not matter. Heck most of the time the difference with campus life between school A and school B is the name, school colors and so on. Everything else is relative to the size.
I can add to my earlier story by also pointing out that I may have screwed myself over an opportunity for a "better" engineering degree experience.
In Ontario, when a high school student makes university applications, they typically make three applications. For my three, I shot for the top engineering school (your equivalent to applying to MIT), the one in my city that was my father's school, and then, since I was in the mindset of "I'll stay at home, be comfortable, and save money", I applied to the other university in my city. Nothing specially redeeming about that one other than it was close to home and offered the program.
Sometimes I wonder if I should have chosen another "better" school, out of town, for my third choice. (The top school, my first choice, turned me down, and both home-area universities accepted me.)
A friend of a friend of mine was in my high school's Highly Gifted program. 1600 SAT (old system) 4.someodd weighted UC GPA, graduated with high honors etc etc. Only applied to Berkley, assumed he'd get in... and didn't. That was the only school they applied to. It happens unfortunately. Mr. Super Student was relegated to a Community College where they didn't care about any of that. He later probably went to a UC where after he applied they didn't care about any of that. If he applies to a masters program, they'll probably look at his diploma, check off the box that states he has one, and never bother looking at his transcript.
One important thing to remember is that most schools do look for a range of students and a lot of state run schools will also have quotas on GPA levels and race. I was declined from UCLA while a friend of mine graduated with a GPA a full level less and with a much lower SAT (lower by 400 points, new system) and got in. It happens.
Also schools are much less rigid than they appear. My boss applied for a Masters program without ever completing his Bachelors (private university). He later did get his bachelors by submitting his units from other schools (mainly CSUN) to NYU (I believe this was a program run in part with the US Marine Corps). They matched them best they could and mailed him a diploma. I have the option of going to a law school next year since several of the private ones around here simply require 60 units and a passing LSAT score. Some schools will even wave the LSAT if you agree to maintain a certain GPA or fulfill some other requirements. There are many ways to work the system without actually "working" it. I signed up for a scholarship through my school that gives me money for just showing up to x number of classes. No GPA requirement or paperwork. It literally was a "click here to sign up" deal through their website. There are a lot of things out there that schools offer but keep hushed about (I guess they can pocket the un-utilized grants?).
One thing I've also found is that no matter what degree you have, someone will always tell you it's not enough. People try to give me advise all the time as to why a Bachelors isn't enough. Some say I need to get a masters, others say I need to go to Law School, etc. They all seem to say that the school you go to doesn't matter unless it's an Ivy league. Really I don't think any of this matters because they'd say the same thing if I had a Masters or Doctorate, just about something else. You should have x amount of experience, x number of references, x number of previous jobs, etc. The list goes on.
I've lost out on jobs to less educated people because they have more references than I do. There really is no "golden rule" to these things. Get a meaningful education, a good job that you enjoy, and then live life, not your job. With all the weight high schools, parents, college counselors, etc put on you, it's easy to forget, or simply not realize, that you don't live to work. Your job simply allows you to do what you want to do after the hours of 9-5 Monday-Friday. Anyone who lives otherwise either has some very lofty goals they're working towards or has missed the point entirely.
One important thing to remember is that most schools do look for a range of students and a lot of state run schools will also have quotas on GPA levels and race. I was declined from UCLA while a friend of mine graduated with a GPA a full level less and with a much lower SAT (lower by 400 points, new system) and got in. It happens.
Also schools are much less rigid than they appear. My boss applied for a Masters program without ever completing his Bachelors (private university). He later did get his bachelors by submitting his units from other schools (mainly CSUN) to NYU (I believe this was a program run in part with the US Marine Corps). They matched them best they could and mailed him a diploma. I have the option of going to a law school next year since several of the private ones around here simply require 60 units and a passing LSAT score. Some schools will even wave the LSAT if you agree to maintain a certain GPA or fulfill some other requirements. There are many ways to work the system without actually "working" it. I signed up for a scholarship through my school that gives me money for just showing up to x number of classes. No GPA requirement or paperwork. It literally was a "click here to sign up" deal through their website. There are a lot of things out there that schools offer but keep hushed about (I guess they can pocket the un-utilized grants?).
One thing I've also found is that no matter what degree you have, someone will always tell you it's not enough. People try to give me advise all the time as to why a Bachelors isn't enough. Some say I need to get a masters, others say I need to go to Law School, etc. They all seem to say that the school you go to doesn't matter unless it's an Ivy league. Really I don't think any of this matters because they'd say the same thing if I had a Masters or Doctorate, just about something else. You should have x amount of experience, x number of references, x number of previous jobs, etc. The list goes on.
I've lost out on jobs to less educated people because they have more references than I do. There really is no "golden rule" to these things. Get a meaningful education, a good job that you enjoy, and then live life, not your job. With all the weight high schools, parents, college counselors, etc put on you, it's easy to forget, or simply not realize, that you don't live to work. Your job simply allows you to do what you want to do after the hours of 9-5 Monday-Friday. Anyone who lives otherwise either has some very lofty goals they're working towards or has missed the point entirely.
You have all of 5 days to start some apps for the colleges that need them by 11:59 on Dec. 31st...I'd say choose a few and go for it, honestly I know many people (myself included) who did NOT get into their top choice but are having a wonderful time at another university. It's not the end of the world; sure it's an ego blow of sorts and it is rather depressing for a while, but going to school is better than just giving up.
Best of luck to you.
Best of luck to you.
Take it from a New Yorker, and a college student.
The benefit of going to NYU (as a film maker) is that you meet students who are interested in what you want. But more importantly, you are in New York City.
Apply to Hunter, Fordham, Baruch, Parsons, FIT. Kick ass your freshman year and transferring will be no problem.
The benefit of going to NYU (as a film maker) is that you meet students who are interested in what you want. But more importantly, you are in New York City.
Apply to Hunter, Fordham, Baruch, Parsons, FIT. Kick ass your freshman year and transferring will be no problem.
To be honest, when it comes to Comp Sci/IT, just about any well known and respected university would be a good choice. If I were you, I'd go to a public state university (where you'll likely get accepted with no problems), you'll save boatloads of money if you remain in-state, and you'll get just as good of an education and have just as good of a chance of getting a job if you do well in college.
I'm currently at a state university for Information Sciences and I had a great internship at the same company for the past 2 summers and am basically guaranteed a job with them when I graduate in May.
CS/IT programs at colleges are a dime-a-dozen. It's not like law or medical school where only a handful of colleges offer those programs and the college might make a difference. But nearly every university has CS and IT programs so it's almost impossible for them to really be ranked as "college A is better than college B" because there are just so many of them. Go to a good state university and when it comes time for job interviews, be able to prove that not only you know about whatever field you majored in, but that you'll be a good employee and an asset to the company and you'll be fine.
). The Comp E builds the hardware in the router. The Comp Sci writes the OS for the router. And me, the IT guy, configures the router and sets it up so it's something more than a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really (seriously, go look up some of the prices of the enterprise grade Cisco routers. I think I need a few more reallys ) expensive paperweight. You need all 3.
I'm currently at a state university for Information Sciences and I had a great internship at the same company for the past 2 summers and am basically guaranteed a job with them when I graduate in May.
CS/IT programs at colleges are a dime-a-dozen. It's not like law or medical school where only a handful of colleges offer those programs and the college might make a difference. But nearly every university has CS and IT programs so it's almost impossible for them to really be ranked as "college A is better than college B" because there are just so many of them. Go to a good state university and when it comes time for job interviews, be able to prove that not only you know about whatever field you majored in, but that you'll be a good employee and an asset to the company and you'll be fine.
Not really, it depends on what you want to do. In simple terms, Comp Sci is programming. Comp Engineering is building the hardware. And IT is putting together what the CS and CEs have done to make it useful. For example, I'm IT with an emphasis on computer networking. Take a Cisco router for example (I loves me some Cisco, so I'll use them as an example
). The Comp E builds the hardware in the router. The Comp Sci writes the OS for the router. And me, the IT guy, configures the router and sets it up so it's something more than a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really (seriously, go look up some of the prices of the enterprise grade Cisco routers. I think I need a few more reallys ) expensive paperweight. You need all 3.