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horrible, horrible ideas :mad:

goes against the whole idea of morphing the phone into a portable computer.
 
I can actually see this happening. With the potential for up to 3 iPhone models running concurrently (nano, iPhone, and tablet) alongside the iPod Touch, hardware differences necessitate the need for software differences in order to cover its bases.The iPod Touch is already being marketed as a gaming device, the iPhone as a PDA/Smartphone. It is not difficult to see a mildly crippled iPhone nano aimed at those who want a simpler yet elegant phone that does not much more than play music and act as a phone but is easy to use, good looking and affordable. Not everyone wants to be able to take the kitchen sink with them in their phone; just look at the success of the Shuffle. Similarly the Tablet would be loaded with professional software (handwriting recognition, word processor etc) that would be superfluous on the iPhone. Too many people are confused by numbers ("3 megapixel better than a 5MP because of the lens??Eh?"), so clarifying it through software changes made evident in their ads seems sensible. The trick is not to make it seem you are being a cheapskate a la Windows Home, Premium etc - it must be directed to look like a positive choice of a software option tailored to a person's need rather than the negative "I can't afford better" attitude.
 
Driven by software.

I think were missing the point, it can't be different models based on crippled software. More like extra hardware models to accommodate the software innovation that is moving forward rapidly, bigger screen being the obvious choice.
 
I call bull*****. Are you trying to tell me that Apple is planning on marketing the iPhone like M$ markets Vista, with 15 different versions by selling crippled software?

Apple is a hardware company. This doesn't make any sense.

I agree. Total hogwash. Start focusing on software? Oh sure ... about time. I suppose next we're going see an Apple "Insider" opine on the merits of releasing OS X to other hardware manufacturers - you know, since the emphasis is on software. :rolleyes:
 
And with all due respect if MS came to your house and simply said "buy Vista" would you just fork over $199 and go discover, all by yourself with no help from MS, what Vista is all about? I highly doubt it.

Absolutly not. I tend to only upgrade my OS if I buy new hardware or there is a pressing demand. However, the thought of asking for XP on a powerful machine purchased in late 2007 strikes me as crazy so I went with Vista.

The same goes with Snow Leopard - I have absolutely no intention of upgrading my Macbook from Leopard unless there is a really compelling reason to do so. I just don't see the point.

Anyway, on topic, I don't see the problem with Apple releasing a mass market dumbphone and calling it the iPhone Nano. It's just product differentitation after all.
 
speculate being the operative word here. When has Apple ever differentiated a product simply by the software that it has?
 
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I guess if these rumors are true, the iPhone dev team's next task will be to allow the full iPhone OS to be installed on the iPhone lite or whatever.
 
Increase market share??

I can tell Apple how to increase market share. UNBIND IT FROM AT&T!!!!!! There are many, many people around the country and perhaps in other countries as well, that would love to have an iPhone (yes, I am one of them) but AT&T service is not available in their area. Lots of Blackberries and other smart phones around me but not one iPhone because of the AT&T ties. Why not make it available to other carriers as well?? They are losing massive sales because of this.
 
Stupid Idea

I agree with what everybody's saying about the Microsoft thing. That was the fist thing I thought upon reading this was the way Microsoft sells Vista. I sure hope Apple doesn't do something stupid like this. They really ought to keep their product lines simple and clean. That's what separates them from the average PC.
 
I can tell Apple how to increase market share. UNBIND IT FROM AT&T!!!!!! There are many, many people around the country and perhaps in other countries as well, that would love to have an iPhone (yes, I am one of them) but AT&T service is not available in their area. Lots of Blackberries and other smart phones around me but not one iPhone because of the AT&T ties. Why not make it available to other carriers as well?? They are losing massive sales because of this.

I fully agree with this. The way I see it, most people aren't buying iPhones not because the phone itself is too expensive, but because the plan is. My area gets AT&T service, alright, but it's freakin' expensive. Apple can lower the price of the iPhone all they want, but I can't afford one until it can use different carriers.
 
Really? I must be using the 'Vista works as well on my Quad Core as OS X does on my Macbook version'.

I think that's the one most people who actually use it regularly have.

I actually use Vista Ultimate on a specced out MBP and have had it since release. I know a thing or two about computers and that OS is a stinking pile of crap no matter how much sugar coating you put on it.

Vista is a turd in semi transparent clothing. There is no point defending the fact. Even Microsoft themselves have fessed up to it. What makes yours any different?
 
I fully agree with this. The way I see it, most people aren't buying iPhones not because the phone itself is too expensive, but because the plan is. My area gets AT&T service, alright, but it's freakin' expensive. Apple can lower the price of the iPhone all they want, but I can't afford one until it can use different carriers.

I triple this comment. AT&T is not only very expensive (the iPhone plans included) in New England but the cell service is bad...like VERY bad. I've been on Verizon for 4+ years with maybe 4-5 dropped calls in all 4 years. No exaggeration. And I use about 900 mins a month in talk time. ATT days I was dropping about 30-50% of my calls every single day no matter what State I was in (RI, CT, NH, MA, NY). That's outrageous and hence why I switched.

I simply am not even thinking about an iPhone until it gets off ATT. I would love for it to be on Verizon since I know the phone service will rock.

There are very few people I know in New England that are on ATT (used to be Cingular but that was a cluster merger). Verizon owns all of New England.

But hey...by the time the iPhone gets on Verizon, maybe it will be the 4th or 5th generation. :) And I'll enjoy all the benefits of not having to overspend with the first few generations (phones as well as plan prices).

-Eric
 
Suddenly Apple is going to intentionally, selectively hobble features of its iPhone OS just so it can artificially create various lower-end versions of the iPhone?

Of course NO.

Does no one pay attention to what Apple does and how they run things? APPLE DOES NOT DO THINGS THE WAY OTHER COMPANIES DO.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Apple does the same thing every company does, they just put a satin sheet over it.
 
I actually use Vista Ultimate on a specced out MBP and have had it since release. I know a thing or two about computers and that OS is a stinking pile of crap no matter how much sugar coating you put on it.

*Shrugs*

Whatever. It works very well for me and several hundred million others apparently. Perhaps if you detail the issues as to why you think it's a stinking pile of crap we could discuss them.

Vista is a turd in semi transparent clothing. There is no point defending the fact. Even Microsoft themselves have fessed up to it. What makes yours any different?

Probably my regular use of it. Like I said YMMV.
 
Hmmm... GARBAGE ARTICLE.

What I see happening is this... no iPhone nano, no software distinction. There already is a hardware distinction. It's called the iPod touch. It's easy to see how their linup is.

iPod Touch
8GB
16GB
32GB

And then when the next revision of the iPod touch comes along (after the new iPhones have been released) it will be 64GB.

iPhone
Current 8GB (I almost expect them to keep this model at a cheaper pricepoint if the physical size specs are the same as the new ones)
16GB (new hardware such as processor, camera etc. that seperates itself from the 8GB)
32GB (the same new hardware as the 16GB that seperates itself from the 8GB)

And a year from now they will drop the 8GB model and the 16GB will be the new 8GB and they will add a 64GB to catch up with the iPod Touch, and then after that they will release a new iPod touch that is up to 128GB and the iPhone will again catch up upon it's next release.

This way all the iPhone owners can still complain that the iPod touch has more storage...

I used to be one of those people until I actually took time to sync my iPhone with what I actually DO watch or listen to.
 
This has never happened with apple, and my guess is it will never happen.

I'm sorry, but that idea sounds terrible
 
Yeah OK Apple. The solution will be to hack your identical hardware device and enable everything via 3rd party software. Screw Apple for thinking of new ways to try and screw the consumer with money-sucking ideas. They cannot be making the money off the hardware if it costs the same, but just trying to vacuum suck as much money out of the consumer as he/she will put up with. Pay to playback video? Give me a freaking break.
 
*Shrugs*

Whatever. It works very well for me and several hundred million others apparently. Perhaps if you detail the issues as to why you think it's a stinking pile of crap we could discuss them.

Want to give some evidence to back up that claim.

Guess because it works so well thats why its dominating the netbook market, isnt making OEM's offer XP downgrades and didn't spur growth in the second hand PC market for people trying to get an XP license.

Go figure.
 
They do that like NO OTHER. It's been standard procedure with the iPhone since DAY ONE. Tell me what other piece of phone hardware has EVER been MORE CAPABLE or better suited to send MMS messages than the iPhone. Yet YEARS after initial release we're still waiting for Apple to "uncripple" that industry standard feature with their 3.0 update.
Transcript of secret negotiations between AT&T and Apple with relation to MMS feature:

APPLE: OK, now about MMS. You know how we think that separating data into "Internet" and "SMS" is garbage, but its such a standard our customers simply wouldn't buy our phone without it.

AT&T: Indeed. Launching a non-SMS phone is ridiculous, and if you tried to sell anything else as "SMS-compatible" we'd sue the crap out of you. So, yes... understood.

APPLE: Exactly, so... here's the thing... MMS. We'd love to support it, but the amount of charges you guys put on MMS messages, is idiotic. It's mind boggling. We think there's no reason an "unlimited data plan" shouldn't include MMS support.

AT&T: We disagree. You're users are apt to be more data hungry, and if we give MMS to your users "gratis", we'll have to do it for everyone... and our network couldn't handle the extra capacity...

APPLE: Come on, that's BS.

AT&T: No, really. MMS is a premium feature we intend to continue charging a "reasonable" price for. Don't over-estimate your influence here. We could show you how much we make from our current pricing model, but your head would explode. Next question.

APPLE: Come on. It's just DATA!

AT&T: No dice. We've still got to sell this to our board. We make plenty of profit for MMS hungry fools that can't wait to beam a photo to a friend. Usually nude photos, heh, heh.

APPLE: But, look... people can already send media-rich e-mails from the device.

AT&T: Yes, you won that little point... so, why aren't you happy?

APPLE: But, its effective the SAME THING.

AT&T: One battle at a time, ok? We conceded that we can't really exert too much influence over the fact that people are used to sending e-mails a certain way. Your device is close to a computer, so... fine, media-rich emails. Full HTML with embedded pictures. We get it. MMS... no, we're going to have to keep bending customers over to get that. We think we're giving enough incentive for customers. They don't need MMS as gratis to their data plans.

APPLE: Fine... what are your non-MMS account provisions like, when SMS-only customers get MMS messages?

AT&T: They get an SMS link to a website, requesting the provided password and username to be entered.

APPLE: How about putting it in the URL, so that it automatically logs in and...

AT&T: (laughing)

APPLE: (frowns)

AT&T: I'm sorry, was there anything else, or are we done?

APPLE: We're not supporting this crap. MMS is a dying technology. We're the future, baby! If its not on the iPhone, its just going to fade away!

AT&T: Right.

APPLE: Come on! Who wants to spend $10 in charges to send a few pictures???

YEARS LATER... NEW NEGOTIATIONS...​

AT&T: And, back to the issue of MMS. We see its one of your number one requested features. People are laughing that the iPhone doesn't have something so basic. So much for your predictions, eh?

APPLE: We can admit when we're wrong. We put video on the iPod didn't we?

AT&T: Indeed. So, what's it going to be?

APPLE: The whole 9. Info, Photos and Video. Screw it. If they want to pay for it, we've upgraded our software to handle it.

AT&T: Excellent.

APPLE: Of course, some of our partners and developers are really excited about some of their options, considering our new "Push Notification Service".

AT&T: You don't say.

APPLE: Yeah. Once you add an open push notification architecture to your mobile API, we've noticed that a number of crazy things are possible. For instance, Google's Talk service supports SMS messages. They could theoretically bridge the old technology users with the new technology users, by allowing iPhone users to get push notify alerts when they get an MMS to their Google supplied-number and display the MMS immediately as indicated by the user.

AT&T: Yes, well... Google pisses us off. That whole spectrum thing was annoying. We'll be suing them soon, we're sure. We just have to compile enough red tape to adequately choke them to death. They have too much money to submit to normal frivolous lawsuit attacks. We have to go Viacom on their asses.

APPLE: Come on... you're just resisting. Data is data. Let people consume things how they consume things.

AT&T: Right, if that were true, we'd have already agreed to "free" tethering for "unlimited" accounts. We're a business, not a charity. Your phone is too damn flexible. No one's wireless network is ready for someone to simply say "YES" to everything and give it away at firesale prices. If they do... you'll know something is burning.

APPLE: You're killing us here. I just hope you know that. Please make a statement on the Sling Media thing. We know they'll be submitting something at the beginning of next year. We'll have to say no, even though it works like our YouTube app... and they'll want to know why.

AT&T: Sure thing. We're still annoyed that you got YouTube past us. We figured it was a decent way to test our network though. No need to get crazy.

APPLE: Heaven forbid.

~ CB
 
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