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Well, there is one gigantic difference between now and say 10-20 years ago. Artists nowadays don't need to be able to sing, read notes or play an instrument, because everything can be created and altered digitally. Again, look at Britney: used to be a pretty face, but she can't sing, her music is written by someone else and she couldn't play an instrument to save her life. She is a pure digital product.

I like lots of current music artists such as Timberlake and Katy Perry, but there is no way in hell that these compare to the likes of Muse, Pink Floyd, or Genesis in terms of artistic quality and musicianship.

Strange comment since the number one selling album in 2013 is a solo album from a guy whose group (not band) surely had a number one selling album 10-20 years ago too. There is crappy music that sells well every decade and there is good music every decade.
 
Here is my order of preference for buying music;

1. HDTracks highest def available.

2. CDs.

3. iTunes download.

Occasionally I will buy an iTunes download as an experiment to see if I like something. On the radio "We Can't Stop" by Miley Cyrus sounded like it had some interesting things going on so I downloaded it from iTunes to check it out.

As it turned out "We Can't Stop" has some great engineering and mixing in it. I bought the CD from Amazon and really like several of the tracks. The CD version of "We Can't Stop" sounds far superior to the iTunes version even with moderate headphones plugged into an iPhone 5C. If HDTracks had offered it I would have gotten it there.

Quality music is so much better to listen to than download quickie-trash even though Apple has done a great job at maximizing sound quality on a way too small file size.

HDTracks has been known to sell less than high fidelity actually.

I really wish Super Audio CDs(SACD) would make a comeback. I have a bunch and nothing beats that sound quality.

You are right otherwise, the physical copy has so much more to offer than the digital version.
 
I have no interest in music streaming services.

I want to have my personal collection that provides high quality audio, is not tied to some service and is available freely on my devices without Internet connection.
 
Just got a turntable from my son for Christmas, have not listened to vinyl for a lot of years. He wanted to hear the difference between vinyl and CD. I think after years of hearing badly produced music, quality will make a comeback. Don't know if it has started yet.

The problem for music companies is that the crap production quality is instantly recognizable to everyone once you hear a version produced well (vinyl, soundtracks, or some HDTracks). The more these grow the more trouble it spells for the music companies.

If we want good music in the future we need to educate our children about musical quality, not style. Musical style is personal preference; what you grew up with, became used to, or what you like.

Some will say today's teen doesn't have the time to seriously listen to music, yet they sit and play video games, text friends, email, surf the web, or otherwise spend hours in their room or in front of a TV (just like we did). They have lots of time to listen to music. The problem is today's pop music (that they are expected to enjoy based on peer pressure and media hype) fatigues the ears and to a large extent its message is superficial or just exists for its shock value. It's hard to connect with that and I believe that music companies will lose unless they can put that connection back into the music.

Unless your looking at something like a 64bit MP3, medium has absolutely nothing at all to do with production quality. The Vinyl sounds better thing is a myth. There are crappy Vinyl productions and crappy CD productions. Unless you dropped 5 grand on that turntable, the CD version of anything you try will sound better (assuming it was mastered at the same time by the same person).
 
It's funny seeing a bunch of comments about how music this year has been horrible. It's only been horrible if you actually listen to the radio/mainstream music. I have not listened to the radio in over 10 years. I've discovered a bunch of great bands thanks to spotify and if I like them I'll go out and buy the vinyl or CD if there is no vinyl available.

Billboard only cares about mainstream. The point is, the industry cannot claim cannibalism by streaming services when they have no evidence of it. I for one never buy music, but started using spotify. Does that mean I am cannibalizing? No, it doesn't. It makes me a new consumer of music when I wasn't one before.

The point is the industry should be looking at offering a better product vs last year. Consumers have decided that they don't. This is regardless of whether you think the music is good or not.

The point is the industry is being dishonest. Lower sales do not mean lower profits. In fact, I'm willing to bet that profits are up due to higher revenue from streaming vs lower profit from sales.

The point is this is propaganda. Stop analyzing it. It is all spin.
 
Selective much?

Nicki Minaj:

Everybody wanna try to box me in
Suffocating every time it locks me in
Paint their own pictures then they crop me in
But I will remain where the top begins
Cause I am not a word, I am not a line
I am not a girl that can ever be defined
I am not fly, I am levitation
I represent an entire generation
I hear the criticism loud and clear
That is how I know that the time is near
So we become alive in a time of fear
And I ain't got no mother****ing time to spare
Cry my eyes out for days upon days
Such a heavy burden placed upon me
But when you go hard your nay's become yay's

I wish today it will rain all day
Maybe that will kinda make the pain go away
Trying to forgive you for abandoning me
Praying but I think I'm still an angel away
Angel away, yeah strange in a way
Maybe that is why I chase strangers away
They got their guns out aiming at me
But I become Neo when they're aiming at me
Me, me, me against them
Me against enemies, me against friends
Somehow they both seem to become one
A sea full of sharks and they all smell blood
They start coming and I start rising
Must be surprising, I'm just amazing
I win, thrive, soar, higher, higher, higher

Led Zeppelin:

Oh oh oh oh ohh ohh
You don't have to go oh oh oh ohh,
You don't have to go oh oh oh ohh,
Ahh baby, babe please, please, please, please.

Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah baby.
Ah-ah I really love you baby.
Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh darlin'.
Ohh~oh~ohh. Oh~ooh~oh.

Oh oh oh oh ohh ohh yeah. Fine.
Ah ah ah ah ahh ahh oh~oh~oh~oh. Fine.
Ah-ah-ahh-ahh-ahh.
Oooh__~ooh~hooh Fine. yeah.
Ah baby, baby, Fine. baby.

Awesome. We can do this all day long. Such a silly argument he was trying to make. Song writing is no better or worse today than it was 10, 25, 50, 100, or more years ago.
 
Not surprising. Many people are realizing that the quality on CDs is better, plus vinyl is making a comeback. My digital purchases have decreased in the past year.
 
Somehow knew this discussion would degenerate down to hurling song lyrics at one another as though it means something.
 
Well, I've been buying 24 Bit versions of my favorite albums that have been released. Hopefully, they'll start offering more.

1. Just a reminder that anything over 16bit/44.1 kHz (CD quality) is the best you can hear/reproduce (although for actual recording there is some benefit for up to 24 bit). Here's the science behind this http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

2. Vinyl has been dead for 20 years. The brick and mortar retail music business collapsed 10 years ago.

3. Albums don't matter anymore. They are an anachronistic metaphor created by limits of physical media. Albums exist now as marketing gimmicks. (They were an interesting format especially with album art, liner notes, etc, but that wasn't appreciated when record industry/retailers went to the crappy jewelbox).

4. Mainstream music is pretty terrible these days, as the top genres have become so stagnant and boring.. We can only hope we've seen peak hip-hop, a genre that's been stuck for at least a decade and arguably longer). Contemporary country and Pop aren't much more original (if any).

5. Streaming is top 40 radio without the DJ. The only consolation is that video streaming has renewed interest in the all but dead music video art form. We're still a long way from the 80s, but a nice comeback thanks to YouTube.
 
Just got a turntable from my son for Christmas, have not listened to vinyl for a lot of years. He wanted to hear the difference between vinyl and CD. I think after years of hearing badly produced music, quality will make a comeback. Don't know if it has started yet.

The problem for music companies is that the crap production quality is instantly recognizable to everyone once you hear a version produced well (vinyl, soundtracks, or some HDTracks). The more these grow the more trouble it spells for the music companies.

If we want good music in the future we need to educate our children about musical quality, not style. Musical style is personal preference; what you grew up with, became used to, or what you like.

Some will say today's teen doesn't have the time to seriously listen to music, yet they sit and play video games, text friends, email, surf the web, or otherwise spend hours in their room or in front of a TV (just like we did). They have lots of time to listen to music. The problem is today's pop music (that they are expected to enjoy based on peer pressure and media hype) fatigues the ears and to a large extent its message is superficial or just exists for its shock value. It's hard to connect with that and I believe that music companies will lose unless they can put that connection back into the music.

Same here. Got a turntable for Christmas, spinning Exile On Main Street right now. Sounds so good.
 
Awesome. We can do this all day long. Such a silly argument he was trying to make. Song writing is no better or worse today than it was 10, 25, 50, 100, or more years ago.

Somehow knew this discussion would degenerate down to hurling song lyrics at one another as though it means something.

What wovel pointed out is exactly my point. You can’t keep on harking back to some mythical golden age of music as if it exists. There was as much good AND bad music 30 to 40 years ago as there is now. And you can’t completely dismiss what is popular now as being objectively better than what was popular 40 years ago. Tastes change, so this whole "today's music is much worse than music XXX years ago" argument is pointless.
 
On another note Blurred Lines is possibly the worst song I've heard in a decade, it is a rape anthem that is seedy and has a horrid message. I cringe when I hear it. The fact it has been so popular says a lot about society I suppose and should be a bit disconcerting.

But it is a catchy little rape anthem.
 
A big part of this is on the artists themselves. Many are releasing less and less records and are in stead focussing on live events. The ROI is much larger from that, and the audience is mainly interested in older songs.

Look at Britney Spears.

So, in essence there is a shift going on from record sales to streaming AND live events.

Very well said, I concur :)
 
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thats just a way of life, you are just getting older. I am sure my grandmother hated my mothers music and my mother hates my music and my children will hate my music and their children will hate their parents music ;)

I may be old but most of my life i hated top 40 charts music.... Let's face it most of pop music is the equivalent of fast food. There always have been great artists around as are today. You just have to look.
 
Selective much?

Nicki Minaj:

Everybody wanna try to box me in
Suffocating every time it locks me in
Paint their own pictures then they crop me in
But I will remain where the top begins
Cause I am not a word, I am not a line
I am not a girl that can ever be defined
I am not fly, I am levitation
I represent an entire generation
I hear the criticism loud and clear
That is how I know that the time is near
So we become alive in a time of fear
And I ain't got no mother****ing time to spare
Cry my eyes out for days upon days
Such a heavy burden placed upon me
But when you go hard your nay's become yay's

I wish today it will rain all day
Maybe that will kinda make the pain go away
Trying to forgive you for abandoning me
Praying but I think I'm still an angel away
Angel away, yeah strange in a way
Maybe that is why I chase strangers away
They got their guns out aiming at me
But I become Neo when they're aiming at me
Me, me, me against them
Me against enemies, me against friends
Somehow they both seem to become one
A sea full of sharks and they all smell blood
They start coming and I start rising
Must be surprising, I'm just amazing
I win, thrive, soar, higher, higher, higher

Led Zeppelin:

Oh oh oh oh ohh ohh
You don't have to go oh oh oh ohh,
You don't have to go oh oh oh ohh,
Ahh baby, babe please, please, please, please.

Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah baby.
Ah-ah I really love you baby.
Ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh darlin'.
Ohh~oh~ohh. Oh~ooh~oh.

Oh oh oh oh ohh ohh yeah. Fine.
Ah ah ah ah ahh ahh oh~oh~oh~oh. Fine.
Ah-ah-ahh-ahh-ahh.
Oooh__~ooh~hooh Fine. yeah.
Ah baby, baby, Fine. baby.

Did Nicki Minaj write that or did someone else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_(Nicki_Minaj_song)

A lot of the points most of us are trying to say, these so called "artists" don't write any of their own stuff. They are performers and that's it.
 
If vinyl is dead, why are record companies still releasing new music on vinyl?

http://www.amazon.com/Vinyl-Records-Albums-LPs-Eps/b?ie=UTF8&node=372989011

And music sales declined in every format in 2013, except vinyl.

Sunk cost, meaning it costs them nearly nothing. And vinyl is still dead. They'd need to move an order of magnitude (or two) greater to be anything but a niche. But, regardless of how dead the format is, I still appreciate how much has been lost with the demise of the record store, record collections, album art, etc. Music has been stripped down to its bones and what's marketed to the masses is soulless and boring. It's not all bad though, it's easier than ever to hear more bands and find good acts, too bad they have almost no impact on anything.
 
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I watch more music these days (UTube…classic rock videos) than I just listen to. And my MP3 collection is so vast I just put it on shuffle and it goes for weeks.

And, there is NOBODY out there (that I am aware of) that I care for and I am not inclined to "dig" for new music to buy. Sadly, because I know there are probably great artists (i.e. young white males doing rock) out there but guys like that are not "PC" right now in the music industry. This is the era of talentless tarts (Taylor Swift is an exception) and gangsta noise. :(
 
Did Nicki Minaj write that or did someone else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_(Nicki_Minaj_song)

A lot of the points most of us are trying to say, these so called "artists" don't write any of their own stuff. They are performers and that's it.

Nicki Minaj wrote that song in collaboration with a few other writers. Same was true of a lot of Led Zeppelin songs, some of which were written by others, written by others in collaboration with the band's members or basically stolen from other artists.

Regardless, I'm not sure that I agree with you that a musician should write her songs in order to be called an artist. Is Elvis Presley an artist? What about Luciano Pavarotti? All of those musicians perform songs that were written by others but I doubt that many would not call them significant and important artists of their generation.
 
I may be old but most of my life i hated top 40 charts music.... Let's face it most of pop music is the equivalent of fast food. There always have been great artists around as are today. You just have to look.

But it continues to get worse. Yes, old people will never understand what young people like, but that's not all that's going on today. Music has been stripped down so much. No need for a group, no need for any message (in fact that's bad since someone may protest), no album art, for many acts no videos, no context of an album.

Today we have the pop song. The pop star is still important to some degree, but they come and go faster than ever.

Today it's not a stretch to say Eminem is pretty conceptually deep for mainstream music. There's your art. And, of course, there have long been popular brainless pop-songs, but it's really bland and dumbed down now.

The music industry has turning into a Michael Bay movie. You have what sells, and that's all that matters.
 
I find myself buying less music, mainly because most so the new music coming out theses days is awful.

Music managers might want to work on that root cause, though they won't.

Most musicians on labels aren't really musicians, they are celebrities that sing a little etc

I suspect that iTunes etc are going to begin to lead the push for non labeled artists way more than before. At least I hope so. That was one of my beefs about Ping. It had great potential but then Apple stopped at just including labeled artists and never picked up Lala's feature set. All those little guys and girls that could use some grassroots never got to play.
 
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